# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 181
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3605 "2016-04-13T23:49:07Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > But he is doing the racial profiling in an attempt to see that laws, including immigration laws, are enforced. The justification is based on the reality that in Southern Arizona a Hispanic person is much more likely be an illegal immigrant or drug smuggler than a black or a white person. He isn’t racially profiling in order to implement any kind of race based _outcome_, at least not openly. :rolleyes: You are really an ignorant here, the situation is that the courts already rendered the verdict after years of investigations. > **[Sheriff Joe Arpaio ignored legal advice on following judge's order, attorney...](https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-arpaio-20151001-story.html)** > > Years before he refused to continue representing Sheriff Joe Arpaio in a messy, public breakup, Phoenix attorney Tim Casey was getting worried about his most famous client. Arpaio is now in court as we are speaking to fight the new charges that he is in contempt of court for doing racial profiling. > **[Ortega Melendres, et al. v. Arpaio, et al. | American Civil Liberties Union](https://www.aclu.org/cases/ortega-melendres-et-al-v-arpaio-et-al)** > > This is a class action lawsuit filed in 2007 in which, following a three-week trial, the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (MCSO) was found to have engaged in racial profiling and unlawful traffic stops of Latinos. > [@](#): > > Following the trial over a pattern of unlawful practices by Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the MCSO during immigration sweeps and traffic stops, U.S. District Judge G. Murray Snow issued a sweeping decision finding that that Sheriff Arpaio and his agency had relied on racial profiling and illegal detentions to target Latinos. On October 2, 2013, Judge Snow issued an order mandating necessary changes by Arpaio and his agency to prevent continued misconduct and safeguard the community from future violations of their constitutional rights. > > In addition to the appointment of a monitor to keep tabs on the MCSO’s behavior, the court insisted upon audio and video recording of all traffic stops, increased training for and monitoring of sheriff’s office employees and the implementation of comprehensive record keeping. Officers will also be required to radio in the basis for each traffic stop before making contact with the people in the vehicle. ACLU continues to keep a vigilant eye on the process to help protect Maricopa County’s Latino community from further discriminatory treatment by the MCSO or Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Again, that is what Trump sees and loves, I already gave up months ago the idea that Trump is just an ignorant, he does know from whom to get comfort and aid with his run to the presidency. > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > That said I do not dispute your contention that there is “a good chunk of racists over here”. When I say racism is uncommon, I mean generally. I know there are subsections of America where it is common enough that “a good chunk” is a reasonable description. And since it is so uncommon, why did Trump joined Arpaio to the hip after the republican senators from Arizona told him to avoid Arpaio? The reality is that they, like anyone that does look at the news, knows about the legal and ethical issues with Arpaio, as the local newspaper can tell you Arpaio is “a bully with a badge” and remains a shame for Arizona and the USA for that matter. That Trump decided that that kind of authoritarian and above the law guy was/is kosher for him is what demonstrates who Trump really is. Usually guilt by association is not a good point to make, when the association is a casual one, not so when the associates are so willing to join forces and Trump just ignores how guilty the ones he is cuddling with are. > **[Federal judge upholds ruling finding Joe Arpaio guilty of racial profiling,...](https://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/federal-judge-upholds-ruling-finding-joe-arpaio-guilty-of-racial-profiling-targeting-opponents/)** > > A federal judge gave the U.S. Justice Department a partial victory on Monday in its lawsuit against Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio that alleges sweeping civil rights violations.In a written ruling, U.S. District Judge Roslyn Silver let stand the findings... ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3606 "2016-04-13T23:54:03Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > None of the above. (And not what the Trumpsters are saying either.) > > GOP delegates are mostly loyal Republicans. All the preparation and ground game in the world isn’t likely to change that. And loyal Republicans don’t want a hostile takeover of their party, that being what Trump (even more than Cruz) represents. > > If Trump – an outsider likely to have a plurality, but not a majority, of delegates – wins on the first ballot, it will be because party insiders think it harmful, to their party, to substitute their preference over that of the plurality of primary voters. Convincing polled voters that ignoring his plurality is unfair is Trump’s best strategy. And the best tactic to achieve their strategy may well be to whine about the establishment stealing the nomination. > > Trump’s obnoxiousness isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. It’s what got him this far. The last thing he needs is to let his supporters see him kowtowing to the GOP establishment. Errm what does that have to do with my post about the ‘insufficient funds’ thing being floated by a Trump surrogate? My questions were directed at that. Keywords: Trump surrogate, giving an interview to CNN. Making bullshit excuses for Trump. And I’d wager the campaign knows about her (and the fantasy spin), since she’s a relative regular as a surrogate. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3607 "2016-04-13T23:55:19Z")
The chairman of the Colorado GOP has said he’s leaving his wife at home and taking a Sheriff with him when he goes to the convention in Cleveland, because he’s getting so many death threats because of Cruz taking all of the state’s delegates. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3608 "2016-04-14T00:00:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The chairman of the Colorado GOP has said he’s leaving his wife at home and taking a Sheriff with him when he goes to the convention in Cleveland, because he’s getting so many death threats because of Cruz taking all of the state’s delegates. I wonder who those death threats could be coming from? The pacifist, democracy-loving, intelligent and wise core of Trump supporters. The same ones who beat up protesters and threaten delegates online. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3609 "2016-04-14T00:33:43Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > . . . Trump and his supporters are literally Hitler. [Hannah Arendt might well think so.](http://www.salon.com/2016/04/13/is_donald_trump_a_new_hitler_hannah_arendt_might_argue_that_theyre_closer_than_you_think/) ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3610 "2016-04-14T00:58:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I wonder who those death threats could be coming from? > > The pacifist, democracy-loving, intelligent and wise core of Trump supporters. The same ones who beat up protesters and threaten delegates online. Bernie Bros have been far more willing to use or suggest force in response to political messages they disagree with, [out in the real world](https://youtu.be/qg_cuODF5rU?t=122), and right here in this thread. The incidents just aren’t played on each news cycle loop for three days like every scuffle at a Trump rally is. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3611 "2016-04-14T01:03:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > You are really an ignorant here, the situation is that the courts already rendered the verdict after years of investigations. > > [Sheriff Joe Arpaio ignored legal advice on following judge's order, attorney says](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-arpaio-20151001-story.html) > > Arpaio is now in court as we are speaking to fight the new charges that he is in contempt of court for doing racial profiling. > > [Ortega Melendres, et al. v. Arpaio, et al. | American Civil Liberties Union](https://www.aclu.org/cases/ortega-melendres-et-al-v-arpaio-et-al) > Again, that is what Trump sees and loves, I already gave up months ago the idea that Trump is just an ignorant, he does know from whom to get comfort and aid with his run to the presidency. > And since it is so uncommon, why did Trump joined Arpaio to the hip after the republican senators from Arizona told him to avoid Arpaio? The reality is that they, like anyone that does look at the news, knows about the legal and ethical issues with Arpaio, as the local newspaper can tell you Arpaio is “a bully with a badge” and remains a shame for Arizona and the USA for that matter. That Trump decided that that kind of authoritarian and above the law guy was/is kosher for him is what demonstrates who Trump really is. > > Usually guilt by association is not a good point to make, when the association is a casual one, not so when the associates are so willing to join forces and Trump just ignores how guilty the ones he is cuddling with are. > > [Federal judge upholds ruling finding Joe Arpaio guilty of racial profiling, targeting opponents - Raw Story](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/federal-judge-upholds-ruling-finding-joe-arpaio-guilty-of-racial-profiling-targeting-opponents/) None of this refutes my point that Arpaio is a symbol, primarily, of anti-illegal immigrant sentiment, for which racism is not a prerequisite. A decision that racial profiling is acceptable can be the result of any combination of pragmatism and indifferent to racial justice issues. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3612 "2016-04-14T01:08:14Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Hannah Arendt might well think so.](http://www.salon.com/2016/04/13/is_donald_trump_a_new_hitler_hannah_arendt_might_argue_that_theyre_closer_than_you_think/) [This Holocaust survivor doesn’t think so.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4d67or/iama_holocaust_survivor_who_just_turned_92_i_have/d1o9x4b?context=3) ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3613 "2016-04-14T01:21:21Z")
[A Florida prosecutor has decided not to prosecute Donald Trump’s campaign manager for battery after a March run-in with former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields, sources with knowledge of the situation told POLITICO](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-campaign-manager-lewandowski-221921) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3614 "2016-04-14T01:24:28Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > [A Florida prosecutor has decided not to prosecute Donald Trump’s campaign manager for battery after a March run-in with former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields, sources with knowledge of the situation told POLITICO](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-campaign-manager-lewandowski-221921) Because a DA’s decision compares to what we SAW. Next… Please, Michelle, sue him for defamation. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3615 "2016-04-14T01:26:33Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Bernie Bros have been far more willing to use or suggest force in response to political messages they disagree with, [out in the real world](https://youtu.be/qg_cuODF5rU?t=122), and right here in this thread. The incidents just aren’t played on each news cycle loop for three days like every scuffle at a Trump rally is. Which justifies what Trump supporters did, of course. “He did it _too_!” ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3616 "2016-04-14T01:27:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Because a DA’s decision compares to what we SAW. Most people saw a whole lot of nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3617 "2016-04-14T01:32:32Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Most people saw a whole lot of nothing. No, only those wearing Trump-colored glasses did. His action was clearly within the definition of battery under the law. You do realize that prosecutors decide not to go to trial for other reasons than not having evidence? For instance the likely arguments that a high-powered lawyer (paid for by Trump) could make to get Lewandowski off? Or maybe you don’t, or just won’t acknowledge it. Changes nothing. Sue, Michelle. Sue. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3618 "2016-04-14T01:34:14Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Bernie Bros have been far more willing to use or suggest force in response to political messages they disagree with, [out in the real world](https://youtu.be/qg_cuODF5rU?t=122), and right here in this thread. The incidents just aren’t played on each news cycle loop for three days like every scuffle at a Trump rally is. ‘far more willing?’ I REALLY want to see some cites for that. Would you like me to cite the actual violence that Trump supporters have committed? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3619 "2016-04-14T01:36:41Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > None of this refutes my point that Arpaio is a symbol, primarily, of anti-illegal immigrant sentiment, for which racism is not a prerequisite. A decision that racial profiling is acceptable can be the result of any combination of pragmatism and indifferent to racial justice issues. Tell that to the judge. It did not work for Arpaio, so yes I already know what you are saying about being a symbol, it also does not deny that Trump is adopting that symbol and what it means. Back in reality Arpaio only demonstrates the kind of “law and order” Trump wants to see for all America. > **[Arpaio: PI hired to investigate judge's wife](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/04/23/joe-arpaio-apologizes-contempt-hearing-day-three-abrk/26240715/)** > > Sheriff says his attorneys hired PI to look into political remark against Arpaio > [@](#): > > In a bombshell diversion from his contempt-of-court proceedings, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio testified under oath Thursday that his attorneys had hired a private agent to investigate the wife of the federal judge who ruled that the Sheriff’s Office had engaged in racial profiling. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3620 "2016-04-14T01:44:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > No, only those wearing Trump-colored glasses did. His action was clearly within the definition of battery under the law. Nah, implied consent to being touched is given when one enters a crowd. And he also has a good case that he was protecting Trump, who can be seen pulling away from Michelle as she touched him. If she ever even got close to a mosh pit she would probably accuse the whole crowd of assaulting her. [She has a history of playing up these minor incidents, in order to get attention.](http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4584445/michelle-fields-occupy-wall-street) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3621 "2016-04-14T01:46:50Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Bernie Bros have been far more willing to use or suggest force in response to political messages they disagree with, [out in the real world](https://youtu.be/qg_cuODF5rU?t=122), and right here in this thread. The incidents just aren’t played on each news cycle loop for three days like every scuffle at a Trump rally is. You really think Bernie supporters are making death threats about Cruz delegates? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3622 "2016-04-14T01:55:22Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Nah, implied consent to being touched is given when one enters a crowd. And he also has a good case that he was protecting Trump, who can be seen pulling away from Michelle as she touched him. > > If she ever even got close to a mosh pit she would probably accuse the whole crowd of assaulting her. > > [She has a history of playing up these minor incidents, in order to get attention.](http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4584445/michelle-fields-occupy-wall-street) Lewandowski must be Darth Vader, then. Last I looked, a ‘touch’ doesn’t pull somebody off balance. Seriously, how does anyone buy such ludicrous arguments? Hmm…I just had a thought. Are you secretly a Hillary fan and serving up softballs? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3623 "2016-04-14T02:24:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > ‘far more willing?’ I REALLY want to see some cites for that. Would you like me to cite the actual violence that Trump supporters have committed? Sure, you can start with the ones protesting at Bernie rallies, or attempting to shut down the rallies by blocking streets. [Bernie Bros being Bernie Bros in Chicago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeDfoudQg7I). [Blocking ambulances.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU) [Trump protester falsely accuses elderly man of sexual assault and then punches him in Wisconsin.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg_cuODF5rU&feature=youtu.be&t=122) (LOL she even says “[yep, I deserved that](https://youtu.be/6PNBxVt-0hA?t=88)” afterwards) [In NYC, including chants of “white cracker” with their violence.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXy0Bq5hm3s) [North Carolina.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFqwWj5T8g) [Blocking thousands of people on the highway near Phoenix to prevent them from attending a political rally.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xshMoSypR4I) [Irate, out of control Trump protester gets punched after following, screaming at, and bumping into a woman who is trying to get away from her in Tuscon.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjbAs5F_bYY) [Woman charged for slapping police horse at KC Trump protest](http://fox4kc.com/2016/03/19/woman-charged-for-abuse-of-police-service-animal-at-kc-trump-protest/) (Reportedly the horse was a white male who was refusing to acknowledge the privilege that he enjoys) ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3624 "2016-04-14T02:28:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You really think Bernie supporters are making death threats about Cruz delegates? It might be one lone 15yo Bangladeshi metal head provocateur from 4chan who supports only My Little Pony for all we know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=180) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=182)