# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 183
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3645 "2016-04-14T11:57:31Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > There were several fights. One of the guys fighting also tried to charge and take over the podium and then violently resisted those trying to remove him. He was there looking for trouble, as were many of the other Bernie Bros there, obviously. Not on the video I saw. You know, the one you linked. > [@](#): > > The protesters committed violence upon the police when the police tried to do their job and keep the road open. In the words of Andy Dufresne, Are you being deliberately obtuse? Who hit whom? Think I’ll answer my own question, since you’ll just evade it again anyway. The police committed actual, you know, violence on the protesters. What you claim as ‘violence’ on the part of the crowd of protesters is not backing up when the police told them to and a couple of them jumping over barriers. I wonder, if you were hit by a cop, would you think it was violence? I guess that all depends which story you’re trying to sell at the time. > [@](#): > > The narrator. And the [signs, buttons, and hats](https://youtu.be/2RFqwWj5T8g?t=153). The narrator from that conservative whatsis I’ve never heard of? Of course I trust any voice speaking over a scene. Seriously, if you wanted to show a fight, would you flash ‘Fight’ in huge white letters over it? Once again, give me a break. > [@](#): > > Violence is not the only unacceptable use of force. Confining or blocking someone to keep them from going where they have a right to go is worse than slapping someone or spitting on them. Ah the justification. All I had to do was keep reading. Wrong, but again, nice try. > [@](#): > > LOL you are defending the Trump supporter. You can see which one is in the wrong when you don’t realize that she is the Trumpaphobe. Ooh good for you. That’s two by my count. > [@](#): > > She was arrested and charge with animal abuse, we can wait and see if the court thinks the evidence provided by the police is credible. Then maybe you should wait until that happens instead of using it as a BS cite. Don’t bother answering this, you’ll just justify your argument by saying black is white, up is down, and the sun rises in the evening and sets in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3646 "2016-04-14T12:17:43Z")
For some reason, this seems the appropriate place to post this. Famous insults, from: [Politics in the age of the instant insult](http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36034110) Churchill: ◾On Labour Prime Minister Clement Atlee: “A modest man, who has much to be modest about” ◾On Labour Chancellor Stafford Cripps: “There but for the grace of God, goes God” ◾On his predecessor as Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain: “He looked at foreign affairs through the wrong end of a municipal drainpipe” ◾On World War Two commander Gen Montgomery: “In defeat unbeatable, in victory unbearable” ◾On 19th Century Liberal Prime Minister William Gladstone: “Mr. Gladstone read Homer for fun, which I thought served him right” (I’ll grant that Homer is a bit dry, but interesting to those of us who like mythology.) Told by Lord Sandwich he would die either on the gallows or of the pox, radical MP John Wilkes replied: “That depends, my Lord, whether I embrace your mistress or your principles.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3647 "2016-04-14T13:14:03Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > The Trumpaphobic protesters were pushing the shit out of them and hurling racial epitaphs. Assault with a tombstone. News at 11! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3648 "2016-04-14T13:16:26Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Arpaio and Trump are popular because they are acting on and promising to manifest the will of the many people who want less illegal immigrants to be present in the country. We’d **really** miss them if they left, and it would dislocate the economy no end. > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Establishment politicians pander to this sentiment way more than they act on it . . . Bullshit. See [post #3541.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19255110&postcount=3541) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3649 "2016-04-14T16:36:29Z")
Trump said something stupid (yeah, I know that’s not exactly news). [http://fox59.com/2016/04/14/donald-trump-asks-confused-pittsburgh-crowd-hows-joe-paterno/](http://fox59.com/2016/04/14/donald-trump-asks-confused-pittsburgh-crowd-hows-joe-paterno/) > [@](#): > > Speaking to a crowd of supporters in Pittsburgh on Wednesday, Trump asked about Joe Paterno and said, “How’s Joe Paterno? We gonna bring that back?” (Video at link) ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3650 "2016-04-14T17:04:36Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Trump said something stupid (yeah, I know that’s not exactly news). > [http://fox59.com/2016/04/14/donald-trump-asks-confused-pittsburgh-crowd-hows-joe-paterno/](http://fox59.com/2016/04/14/donald-trump-asks-confused-pittsburgh-crowd-hows-joe-paterno/) > (Video at link) [He’s talking about the statue.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/14/trump-calls-for-reinstatement-of-joe-paterno-statue/) Duh. Not that it would be any kind of negative mark if he wasn’t aware that Paterno had died. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3651 "2016-04-14T17:19:15Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > [He’s talking about the statue.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/14/trump-calls-for-reinstatement-of-joe-paterno-statue/) Duh. Not that it would be any kind of negative mark if he wasn’t aware that Paterno had died. So Trump is cool with the idea of bringing a statue back of a guy who did nothing while knowing that one of his assistants raped little boys? Glad to get Trump on record for that. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3652 "2016-04-14T17:22:56Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > . . . racial epitaphs. . . . No. No, I won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3653 "2016-04-14T17:32:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Not on the video I saw. You know, the one you linked. [Here you go.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzhs9VXaHt8) If Trump supporters instigated confrontations by going to a Bernie rally in the thousands and being violent, causing the rally to be shut down, [and then chanted "Trump Trump"](https://youtu.be/AeDfoudQg7I?t=69)the Bernie Bros and the media would be screaming and crying so loud you would think that the Fourth Reich had arrived. And everyone here knows it. > [@](#): > > In the words of Andy Dufresne, Are you being deliberately obtuse? > > Who hit whom? Think I’ll answer my own question, since you’ll just evade it again anyway. The police committed actual, you know, violence on the protesters. What you claim as ‘violence’ on the part of the crowd of protesters is not backing up when the police told them to and a couple of them jumping over barriers. I wonder, if you were hit by a cop, would you think it was violence? I guess that all depends which story you’re trying to sell at the time. The protesters were using the police for NFL lineman practice for Christ’s sake. You have amazingly selective outrage. > [@](#): > > The narrator from that conservative whatsis I’ve never heard of? Of course I trust any voice speaking over a scene. Seriously, if you wanted to show a fight, would you flash ‘Fight’ in huge white letters over it? Once again, give me a break. It’s quite easy to ascertain from the video that the narrator was correctly identifying the two groups. Again, look at the hat, buttons, and signs. > [@](#): > > Ah the justification. All I had to do was keep reading. Wrong, but again, nice try. You know quite well that if Trump supporters were trying to shut down a Bernie rally by blocking roads that you, the Bernie Bros, and the media would be wildly outraged, and rightfully so. > [@](#): > > Ooh good for you. That’s two by my count. You seem to have trouble numbering. > [@](#): > > Then maybe you should wait until that happens instead of using it as a BS cite. Now you aren’t even making any effort to hide your yuuuuge bias. You are demanding a conviction now? How many of the incidents that you cited have resulted in a conviction? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3654 "2016-04-14T17:52:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > We’d **really** miss them if they left, and it would dislocate the economy no end. I would miss only miss the one who I am friends with. He has been deported numerous times and has some minor crimes on his record though, so he will never be legal under any of the schemes favored by any of the candidates. I might also miss the cheap steaks and veggies that come from the slaughterhouses and farms staffed by illegal immigrants. Of course it would effect the economy. America has always had laborers who were second class citizens in one way or another, starting with the slaves. It’s our addiction, and it’s time to kick the habit. The effect on everyone would not be a net negative economic effect either, some people would come out ahead of where they are now, were a slight labor shortage allowed to develop. The people who came out ahead would be dis-proportionally young, poor, and minority. > [@](#): > > Bullshit. See [post #3541.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19255110&postcount=3541) That doesn’t address my point at all. That just shows that _some_ effort is put into enforcing immigration law. That doesn’t mean that the level of effort is anywhere near the degree of lip service that is given to the issue by pandering politicians, or that it is any where near the level of enforcement that people concerned with illegal immigrants want. There are still over 10 million illegal immigrants present. We spend far more on aid to Africa. [Most Americans think that reducing foreign aid would be a good way to reduce the debt.](http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/01/25/rel2d.pdf) And many would rather have the money spent here at home reducing the number of illegal immigrants in the country. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3655 "2016-04-14T17:59:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So Trump is cool with the idea of bringing a statue back of a guy who did nothing while knowing that one of his assistants raped little boys? Glad to get Trump on record for that. Trump is one brilliant mother fucker. He is baiting Clinton into going after him on this, to give him a chance to counter punch with [something far more politically fatal.](http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/hillary-clinton-brags-about-getting-a-pedophile-off-the-hook.html) I imagine Clinton is smart enough to resist taking the bait. It won’t stop Trump, though. \*Someone \*will bring up the issue of Paterno’s alleged enabling and defense of pedos and then WHAM. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3656 "2016-04-14T18:06:01Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Trump is one brilliant mother fucker. > > He is baiting Clinton into going after him on this, to give him a chance to counter punch with [something far more politically fatal.](http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/hillary-clinton-brags-about-getting-a-pedophile-off-the-hook.html) > > I imagine Clinton is smart enough to resist taking the bait. It won’t stop Trump, though. \*Someone \*will bring up the issue of Paterno’s alleged enabling and defense of pedos and then WHAM. Uh-huh. She mounted a vigorous defense for her client, as was her job. Real scandal, that is. Let’s see, that article is almost three months old. Wonder why it isn’t burning up the media already. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3657 "2016-04-14T18:10:20Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Of course it would effect the economy. America has always had laborers who were second class citizens in one way or another, starting with the slaves. It’s our addiction, and it’s time to kick the habit. Og, you make it sound like we’d be doing these people a favor, emancipating them, by kicking them out of the country. We’re not talking about slaves here. Slaves try to sneak off the plantation, not onto it. > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > That doesn’t address my point at all. That just shows that _some_ effort is put into enforcing immigration law. What it shows is that illegal immigration almost certainly is not the kind of problem, if problem it be, that can be solved by throwing more money at it. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3658 "2016-04-14T18:11:59Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > [He’s talking about the statue.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/14/trump-calls-for-reinstatement-of-joe-paterno-statue/) Duh. Yes, but in Pittsburgh? Reminds me of Sarah Palin talking about the Phillies. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3659 "2016-04-14T18:14:52Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Trump is one brilliant mother fucker. > > He is baiting Clinton into going after him on this, to give him a chance to counter punch with [something far more politically fatal.](http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/hillary-clinton-brags-about-getting-a-pedophile-off-the-hook.html) > > I imagine Clinton is smart enough to resist taking the bait. It won’t stop Trump, though. \*Someone \*will bring up the issue of Paterno’s alleged enabling and defense of pedos and then WHAM. You a funny man . Trump is trying like hell to get you to leave him alone so he don’t have to be president, but you won’t listen. You like him a lot more than he likes you. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3660 "2016-04-14T18:25:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Og, you make it sound like we’d be doing these people a favor, emancipating them, by kicking them out of the country. We’re not talking about slaves here. Slaves try to sneak off the plantation, not onto it. Most slaves never tried to sneak off of the plantation, actually. They just accepted their fate. There are all kinds of miserable, desperate, people all over the world. Very many of them far worse off than those in Mexico. Just because a life of squalor and hard labor here, as second or third class citizens, would be an improvement over their current situation, doesn’t mean that it is moral or practical to bring them here and exploit their situation. > [@](#): > > What it shows is that illegal immigration almost certainly is not the kind of problem, if problem it be, that can be solved by throwing more money at it. No, it doesn’t show that at all. Otherwise we wouldn’t be spending money to help Tunisia build a border wall. More than money, however, it is the missing political will to actually address the problem that keeps anything real from happening. This is because the business interests and upper-class people represented by establishment politicians benefit from the dirt-cheap labor that the mass influx of immigrants provides by quelling any sort of demand driven rise in wages. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3661 "2016-04-14T18:37:51Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > [Here you go.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzhs9VXaHt8) If Trump supporters instigated confrontations by going to a Bernie rally in the thousands and being violent, causing the rally to be shut down, [and then chanted "Trump Trump"](https://youtu.be/AeDfoudQg7I?t=69)the Bernie Bros and the media would be screaming and crying so loud you would think that the Fourth Reich had arrived. And everyone here knows it. > > The protesters were using the police for NFL lineman practice for Christ’s sake. You have amazingly selective outrage. > > It’s quite easy to ascertain from the video that the narrator was correctly identifying the two groups. Again, look at the hat, buttons, and signs. > > You know quite well that if Trump supporters were trying to shut down a Bernie rally by blocking roads that you, the Bernie Bros, and the media would be wildly outraged, and rightfully so. > > You seem to have trouble numbering. > > Now you aren’t even making any effort to hide your yuuuuge bias. You are demanding a conviction now? How many of the incidents that you cited have resulted in a conviction? Give it a rest. I’m done arguing with you. I don’t care anymore to pick holes in unreasonable arguments only for you to come back with more tortured and unreasonable ones. But, of course, you’ll have something to say on the subject. I can’t say why, because I might get warned again. But I know you will. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3662 "2016-04-14T19:03:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Uh-huh. She mounted a vigorous defense for her client, as was her job. Real scandal, that is. You don’t have to convince me. I support everyone’s right to have a defense lawyer. But some of the statements that she made are going to be very very hard for her to deal with politically. It is clear that she knew he was guilty of raping the 12 year old, and bragged about getting him off, casually and jovially discussing the guy’s underwear which was covered in blood that presumably came from the child he had raped. [Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html) > [@](#): > > “I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” Clinton, then named Hillary D. Rodham, wrote in the affidavit. “I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.” > > Clinton also wrote that a child psychologist told her that children in early adolescence “tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences,” especially when they come from “disorganized families, such as the complainant.” > > The victim vigorously denied Clinton’s accusations and said there has never been any explanation of what Clinton was referring to in that affidavit. She claims she never accused anyone of attacking her before her rape. > > “I’ve never said that about anyone. I don’t know why she said that. I have never made false allegations. I know she was lying,” she said. “I definitely didn’t see older men. I don’t know why Hillary put that in there and it makes me plumb mad.” > > The victim’s second main grievance with Clinton stems from the newly revealed audio recordings, which were taped in a series of interviews of Clinton with Arkansas reporter Roy Reed, who was researching an article on the Clintons that was ultimately never published. The Free Beacon found the tapes archived at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville, amidst thousands of pieces of Clinton history that are being periodically released for public consumption. > > On the tapes, Clinton, who speaks in a Southern drawl, appears to acknowledge that she was aware of her client’s guilt, brags about successfully getting the only piece of physical evidence thrown out of court, and laughs about it all whimsically. > > “He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,” Clinton says on the recording, failing to hold back some chuckles. > > She then describes how she discovered that investigators had cut out and lost a section of the suspect’s underwear that they said contained the victim’s blood. Clinton brought the remaining underwear segment to a Nobel Prize-winning blood expert in Brooklyn, NY, she explained, in order to convince him to lend his heavyweight reputation and influence to her defense case. > > “And so the, sort of the story through the grapevine was, if you get him interested in the case, then you know you had the foremost expert in the world willing to testify so that it came out the way you wanted it to come out,” Clinton said. > > Clinton told the judge that the famous expert was willing to testify. Instead of the original charge of first-degree rape, the prosecutors let Taylor plead to a lesser charge: unlawful fondling of a child. According to the Free Beacon, Taylor was sentenced to one year behind bars, with two months reduced for time served. The second attacker was never charged. > > “Oh, he plea bargained. Got him off with time served in the county jail, he’d been in the county jail about two months,” Clinton said on the recording, apparently not remembering the sentence accurately. > > For the victim, the tapes prove that while Clinton was arguing in the affidavit that the victim could have some culpability in her own attack, she actually believed that her client was guilty. Taylor’s light sentence was a miscarriage of justice, the victim said. This is going to be very very hard for her to deal with. And then add in her alleged [attacks on women who have accused her husband of rape and sexual misconduct](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264988-bill-clinton-rape-accuser-hillary-tried-to-silence-me). [Then we have her husband’s friendship and joyrides on the rape-plane of convicted pedo Jeffrey Epstien.](http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/the_sweetheart_deal_for_bill_clintons_orgy_island_pal_may_be_exposed_and_overturned.html) It is going to be very simple and effective for Trump to cast her as a woman who uses her position to enable and protect sexual abusers of women and children. It’s going to be very hard for her to square her behavior with her statements: [Hillary to Sexual Assault Victims: “You Have The Right To Be Heard, You Have The Right To Be Believed”](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/14/hillary_clinton_women_should_be_believed_when_they_claim_rape_have_to_increase_prevention.html) > [@](#): > > Let’s see, that article is almost three months old. Wonder why it isn’t burning up the media already. For one, the media isn’t hell bent on assassinating Hillary’s character like they are Trump’s. But the biggest reason is that Trump knows enough to keep his powder dry, and to wait until he can see the whites of her eyes. Most people have not heard about most of this stuff. If Trump gets the nomination he will bring it up and the media will have no choice but to explore it. And once it gets rolling, whoever covers it in the most salacious manner will get the best ratings, of course. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3663 "2016-04-14T19:19:38Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > > > [He’s talking about the statue.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/14/trump-calls-for-reinstatement-of-joe-paterno-statue/) Duh. Not that it would be any kind of negative mark if he wasn’t aware that Paterno had died. > > So Trump is cool with the idea of bringing a statue back of a guy who did nothing while knowing that one of his assistants raped little boys? Glad to get Trump on record for that. One of the key tenets of good (i.e. evil) management is that whatever bad things your underlings do, it isn’t your fault. Especially if you have plausible deniability about knowing. Even (or especially) if they were actually doing it under your orders. Trump wanting to rehabilitate Paterno is totally in character even if Trump was, _arguendo_, a total crusader against child/teen abuse. More likely than my theory above is that Trump was just doing his usual attempt to say something local to raise a cheer from the crowd. And as so often happens he flubs the dub when looked at more closely. Like that great Southwest Airlines ad a couple years ago: The rock band is on stage, warming up the cheering crowd. The lead singer yells “We love you Deee-Troit!!” The crowd falls silent. Lead singer is baffled. Another musician stage-whispers: “Detroit was \*last \*night!”. Oops. Voiceover: Wanna get away? blah blah Southwest blah blah …" The fun challenge with Trump is he does mean something. He does stand for something. He does intend, if elected, to do something. But it’s real hard to discern any of that from the semi-random stuff that comes foaming out of his face. Even setting aside the incoherent syntax. As such he’s sort of a Rorschach blot. I do know he’s made it clear that thoughtful people shouldn’t want to find out the hard way whatever the heck Trumpism really is. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3664 "2016-04-14T19:30:02Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Very many of them far worse off than those in Mexico. Just because a life of squalor and hard labor here, as second or third class citizens, would be an improvement over their current situation, doesn’t mean that it is moral or practical to bring them here and exploit their situation. We don’t “bring” them here and, despite what Trump says, Mexico does not “send” them here. They come here of their own volition so they can earn more money than they can in Mexico. Many come with the intention of working only a short time and returning. Some grow disillusioned when they learn that while they are earning dollars instead of pesos, they are also spending dollars instead of pesos and costs of living are much higher in the U.S. Some are indeed “exploited” – by employers who underpay them, knowing an undocumented immigrant does not dare complain to the law. And many are exploited by the coyotes to whom they went in debt to be helped across the border. The ones you can hire in the Home Depot parking lot are probably not exploited and do not feel exploited. In any case, if they feel exploited they can always go home, nobody’s stopping them. More Mexicans have left the U.S. than entered in the past several years. The presence of large numbers of undocumented Mexican immigrants in the U.S. might depress wages in certain not very important (as far as jobs go) areas of the economy. Otherwise, it really does not constitute a problem. That immigrants are more likely than natives to commit crimes, carry diseases, depend on public assistance, that they pay no taxes, all these are myths easily debunked. And American hostility to Mexican immigrants is beyond a doubt rooted in racism to some degree; things would be very different if the immigration pressure were coming from an impoverished Third-World Canada. The last thing we need to be spending money on is a wall along the border. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=182) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=184)