# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 188
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3745 "2016-04-17T12:34:13Z")
> [@Claverhouse](#): > > Mocking some foreign name seems just so damn… _sad_. Mocking someone claiming nativism as stridently as humanly possible because he’s superficially hiding the fact that he’s an immigrant is a little different from mocking him just because his real name is foreign. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3746 "2016-04-17T12:41:06Z")
…er I should say _from_ immigrants… ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3747 "2016-04-17T12:56:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yes, it sure is strange for anyone to read the same blog on a regular basis. Normally people who like blogs just read a different blog every day at random. :rolleyes: > > That “nobody” part is particularly interesting to me, though. You do realize that when you read a thread here, you are just reading a bunch of nobodies (as far as anyone knows, anyway)? Each thread’s OP is basically equivalent to a blog post, and then with a bunch of comments below. So your complaint is what’s actually “kind of weird”, IMO. :dubious: It’s not weird that you read him, it’s weird how often you link to him/bring him up. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3748 "2016-04-17T13:28:42Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Oliver’s failed Drumpfening is the saddest and most desperate thing ever. I don’t think I have ever seen even one tenth the effort put into forcing a meme. > > [It didn’t work.](https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=drumpf%2C%20trump%2C%20donald%20trump&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B5) Well, I disagree it didn’t work, as I still see it and read it all the time. Personally, as someone from the leftish side of things, I find it idiotic, sophomoric, and offensive. Why is it supposed to be funny? Because it’s a funny sounding Germanic name? Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but I can’t help but find it a bit uncomfortable. Mocking someone for their name or changing the name or whatever this is supposed to be mocking is low. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3749 "2016-04-17T13:58:02Z")
Trump sat on the debate stage talking about how his dick wasn’t _really_ tiny because Rubio made a dumb joke at a rally. People who are capable of shrugging off mockery don’t do that. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3750 "2016-04-17T14:38:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s middle school antics. “Yeah, we may have lost, but we sure told them!” It’s a more sophisticated version of “You’re momma!” You, **Claverhouse** and **Hank Beecher** are ignoring that the reason why Oliver reached for the Drumpf meme was because Trump was the one that did go “sophisticated” first. [http://gawker.com/donald-trump-lashes-out-at-jon-stewart-for-revealing-hi-489657795](http://gawker.com/donald-trump-lashes-out-at-jon-stewart-for-revealing-hi-489657795) [QUOTE=Trump] “I promise you that I’m much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz - I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow,” tweeted Trump, adding, “Who, by the way, is totally overrated.” [/QUOTE] Of course Jon Stewart did respond too, Trump only did show how he is the one that got his nerve hit. This ignorance you show is more noticeable because I did pointed at Trump being the one that wondered how ashamed Steward should be ‘by changing his original name’ (He did not, his immigrant ancestors did, just like Trump.) > [@adaher](#): > > Not that I don’t love those shows, but what makes them good is that they are informative while being entertaining. But when they get into trying to claim scalps they always fail. Clowns don’t claim scalps. :dubious: > **[How the FIFA scandal cemented ‘Last Week Tonight’s cultural importance](https://nypost.com/2015/06/05/how-the-fifa-scandal-cemented-last-week-tonights-cultural-importance/)** > > When FIFA president Sepp Blatter abruptly resigned on Tuesday — just four days after winning re-election — the Twittersphere had the same, immediate reaction: John Oliver now has to drink a Bud Lig… > [@](#): > > When FIFA president Sepp Blatter abruptly resigned on Tuesday — just four days after winning re-election — the Twittersphere had the same, immediate reaction: > > John Oliver now has to drink a Bud Light Lime. > > On last Sunday’s episode of his HBO show, “Last Week Tonight,” Oliver — who eviscerated the “comically grotesque” soccer governing body during last June’s World Cup — responded to the arrest of several top FIFA officials on corruption charges by urging sponsors to pull their support. > [@adaher](#): > > Ruthless people claim scalps. See: Karl Rove. Karl Rove Loses It On Fox News Election Night (2008) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Y2HC1W2BR-Q/hqdefault.jpg "Karl Rove Loses It On Fox News Election Night") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HC1W2BR-Q) I mean Rove may had found the way earlier, but now he is a joke [as Trump himself told us](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/20/trump_karl_roves_hatred_of_me_is_like_a_boiler_waiting_to_explode.html). [Rove totally failed to stop Trump BTW](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html?_r=0). > [@adaher](#): > > , Lee Atwater. That he started his dirty tricks under Strom Thurmond should be enough to disqualify him, but as usual Republicans guys liked him. > [@adaher](#): > > They destroy candidates. Which is why John Oliver does entertainment and doesn’t work on a campaign. As pointed, Rove and Atwater could in other times, now it is clear that they would had a hard time because they would had found that the dog whistle politics of the past was not effective with many Republican voters when Trump is using a megaphone to attract just about half of the Republicans and win that way. It just so happens that his mockery is not really working with most of the electorate. And it will work less because I have to see that a lot of the mockery against Trump will come from many members of the right wing media that are finding a spine and realizing that [bullshit politics](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html) should not fly in this case. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3751 "2016-04-17T15:14:04Z")
Did not have time to add more recent examples of mockery from the right against Trump. [http://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2016/04/17/why-trump-loses-n2149653/page/full](http://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2016/04/17/why-trump-loses-n2149653/page/full) > [@](#): > > That’s a local attendee to the convention tweeting a sample of what the Cruz team printed up to assist people in voting for their preferred delegates. [in Wyoming] > > Notice what the attendee said in the second sentence. “No list for Trump yet.” > > Meaning Donald’s team–because they were too uninterested–couldn’t be bothered with sending an intern to Kinkos to photo copy a list of names (all five that they slotted.) > > Couple that with The Trump team decision not to take his private jet for a quick jaunt to Wyoming to give a short speech and say, “Please vote for my delegates, I’ll make Wyoming and America great again,” and then shuttling back to New York where he leads by 35+ points? > > Well at least send one of your high profile, conservative friendly surrogates right? > > Heh… > > > [@](#): > > > > Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was planning on coming to sway state delegates to back Trump-preferred delegates, but she has canceled her appearance. Trump’s campaign did have some volunteers working in the state, but says it wanted to focus attention in other states like New York, where Trump is expecting a blowout next Tuesday. “It was a conscious selection,” Cobb told ABC News. “These processes just do not function for us.” > > The campaign said the processes don’t work for them? > > Of course they don’t **geniuses**. Because the candidate is supposed to be the one doing the work… You know… To EARN the votes of the people? > > It seems increasingly that Donald doesn’t like to court the votes of the “little people.” He doesn’t seem to feel like he should be required to go out and earn the votes of the nominating process across 54 states and territories. > > He seems lazy and entitled. > > And while he wonders why he will have lost 12 of the last 13 contests for delegates. The proof is in the work–or the lack thereof–that he just seems disdained to do. > > Cruz is getting his brains beaten in in New York, but he’s still there campaigning. He campaigned in Florida, and in South Carolina and every state where the polls showed Donald ahead. Cruz believes that he should respect the voters and go to them and try as best he can to earn their support. > > Donald just ignores whole sections of the nation and then whines like a petty school girl when the people that he shunned (and later slanders) didn’t just rush to his support. > > He should stop “wondering” and start “working,” if he really TRULY wants to represent the majority of Republicans in the Presidential race. As I pointed before, I have trouble remembering a time when the right wing media was not united against the Democratic candidate, and I do think that there will be several that will (finally) put country before party in the case of Trump. I can not see mockery and serious criticism like that to fail to land in several conservative ears because it does come from media that they rely on. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3752 "2016-04-17T15:34:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You, **Claverhouse** and **Hank Beecher** are ignoring that the reason why Oliver reached for the Drumpf meme was because Trump was the one that did go “sophisticated” first. > > [http://gawker.com/donald-trump-lashes-out-at-jon-stewart-for-revealing-hi-489657795](http://gawker.com/donald-trump-lashes-out-at-jon-stewart-for-revealing-hi-489657795) > Of course Jon Stewart did respond too, Trump only did show how he is the one that got his nerve hit. > > This ignorance you show is more noticeable because I did pointed at Trump being the one that wondered how ashamed Steward should be ‘by changing his original name’ (He did not, his immigrant ancestors did, just like Trump.) Pretty sure that’s incorrect. Stewart did change his own name. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3753 "2016-04-17T15:41:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Pretty sure that’s incorrect. Stewart did change his own name. [Stage name.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stewart#Early_work) And maybe more. > [@](#): > > He began using the stage name “Jon Stewart” by dropping his last name and changing the spelling of his middle name “Stuart” to “Stewart.” He often jokes this is because people had difficulty with the pronunciation of Leibowitz or it “sounded too Hollywood” (a reference to Lenny Bruce’s joke on the same theme).[32] He has implied that the name change was actually due to a strained relationship with his father, with whom Stewart no longer had any contact. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3754 "2016-04-17T15:59:11Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Pretty sure that’s incorrect. Stewart did change his own name. :smack: Ok coffee needs to kick in, you are right, but similar reasoning should had be seen by the Trump ancestors when coming to America. According to a search I just made he had his surname legally changed to Stewart in 2001. So I would say that Trump still failed. The point remains that others are ignoring that the reason why Oliver reached for the Drumpf meme was because Trump was the one that did go “sophisticated” first. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3755 "2016-04-17T19:06:24Z")
Trump is [winning the delegate messaging fight](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-62-say-republican-most-votes-should-be-nominee-n556846): > [@](#): > > More than six in 10 Republican voters believe that, if no GOP presidential candidate wins a majority of delegates before the convention, the one with the most votes should be the party’s nominee, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. > > That’s compared with 33 percent of Republicans who say the nominee instead should be the candidate whom convention delegates think would be the party’s best standard-bearer. > […] > Just 38 percent of Republicans say it’s acceptable if Trump goes into the Republican convention with the most delegates but does not become the nominee, versus 54 percent who say that outcome is unacceptable. Used to be around 52% saying “The guy in the lead should win” and is now 62%. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3756 "2016-04-17T19:18:31Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Used to be around 52% saying “The guy in the lead should win” and is now 62%. I wonder, when was the last time a candidate was nominated with only a plurality? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3757 "2016-04-17T19:41:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s not weird that you read him, it’s weird how often you link to him/bring him up. I cite him exactly as often as I would otherwise be tempted to add essentially the same thing to the discussion, but without attribution of how the idea came to me. I was raised to believe this is just best practices, but apparently it is “weird”. Who knew! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3758 "2016-04-17T19:56:21Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Drumpf You should probably stop that. It does not reflect well on you. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3759 "2016-04-17T21:50:15Z")
[Washington Post: Trump had a pretty good week](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-had-a-pretty-good-week/2016/04/17/7a37002a-04a6-11e6-b283-e79d81c63c1b_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3760 "2016-04-17T22:05:12Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I cite him exactly as often as I would otherwise be tempted to add essentially the same thing to the discussion, but without attribution of how the idea came to me. I was raised to believe this is just best practices, but apparently it is “weird”. Who knew! Ok, no need to be so defensive. Just thought it was a little odd is all. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3761 "2016-04-18T04:07:57Z")
You don’t get defensive when people tell you you are being weird? Good for you, I guess. 🆒 > [@dropzone](#): > > You should probably stop that. It does not reflect well on you. If you think saying that is going to make me do anything but double down, you don’t know me very well. Drumpf Drumpf Drumpf Drumpf Drumpf. Drumpf! 😛 Ever since I heard that Drumpf’s speeches [have been measured](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340) as being on a very low grade level, I really notice it (although this may of course be the power of suggestion). Most recently, on the Sunday shows today they repeatedly played a sound bite of him saying “The system is a bad, bad system”. There’s one word in that sentence longer than three letters (used twice). :smack: WTF, is he really this simpleminded or is he consciously speaking to the “poorly educated”, for whom [he has specifically stated](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/24/donald-trump-nevada-poorly-educated/80860078/) his “love”? I lean toward the latter (he does have a degree from an Ivy, after all), which is all the more creepy and diabolical. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3762 "2016-04-18T04:19:13Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > If you think saying that is going to make me do anything but double down, you don’t know me very well. > > Drumpf Drumpf Drumpf Drumpf Drumpf. Drumpf! 😛 Actually, I wish people wouldn’t do the “Drumpf” thing because I think it’s insulting to all the respectable non-asshole people actually named Drumpf. What did they do to deserve being gratuitously associated with this loudmouthed orange troll? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3763 "2016-04-18T05:48:02Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Ever since I heard that Drumpf’s speeches [have been measured](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340) as being on a very low grade level, I really notice it (although this may of course be the power of suggestion). Most recently, on the Sunday shows today they repeatedly played a sound bite of him saying “The system is a bad, bad system”. There’s one word in that sentence longer than three letters (used twice). :smack: WTF, is he really this simpleminded or is he consciously speaking to the “poorly educated”, for whom [he has specifically stated](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/24/donald-trump-nevada-poorly-educated/80860078/) his “love”? I lean toward the latter (he does have a degree from an Ivy, after all), which is all the more creepy and diabolical. Everyone else’s speeches are prepared. When Trump delivers a prepared speech it is at as high or higher level as all the others. And of course these measurements depend largely on word length and syllable count, so Sander’s are fluffed up by the endlessly repeated pseudo-intellectual ranting about “oligarchy” and “billionaires”, which doesn’t add any actual sophistication to his message. Out of curiosity, I ran some different things through here: [https://readability-score.com/](https://readability-score.com/) The speeches that Trump and Clinton gave at AIPAC, and that Bernie planned to give, all measure at 11th grade level. Trump’s [WSJ editorial](http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882) at 10th. Bernie’s other speeches look to be at 9th or 10th. Clinton’s at 10th or 11th. Trump’s at 5th or 6th. Kurt Vonnegut’s famous [letter to Drake Scool Board](http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-am-very-real.html?kilgore) measures at 8.5th, as does Hemingway’s[speech](http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1954/hemingway-speech.html)to the Nobel Banquet in Stockholm. [FDR’s first inaugural address](http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/)measures at 12. Obama’s at 10th. Truman’s speech announcing the Hiroshima bombing measures at 11th. His radio address about food conservation 9th. Reagan’s prepared campaign speech in NJ 8.5. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3764 "2016-04-18T06:21:43Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Trump’s [WSJ editorial](http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882) at 10th. Let’s not delude ourselves that Trump actually wrote that one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=187) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=189)