# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 195
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3885 "2016-04-20T23:59:10Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Then report his posts for the same offense. I reported it already. Really though, they both should have gone unsanctioned imho. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3886 "2016-04-20T23:59:56Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No fucking way. “You’re making crap up” is in no way more personal than " Your astoundingly persistent denial of the very existence of dog-whistle messaging is entirely disingenuous and in no way credible." Sure it is. “\*\*You \*\*are making things up.” is a personal characterization. “\*\*\*Your \*\*\*denial” characterizes the words being said. That is the difference. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3887 "2016-04-21T00:01:57Z")
A complete bullshit rules lawyering difference, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3888 "2016-04-21T00:02:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Sure it is. “\*\*You \*\*are making things up.” is a personal characterization. “\*\*\*Your \*\*\*denial” characterizes the words being said. That is the difference. Did you work on the Cruz campaign in Colorado? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3889 "2016-04-21T00:04:03Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > A complete bullshit rules lawyering difference, I guess. > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Did you work on the Cruz campaign in Colorado? Not my reasoning. It’s in the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3890 "2016-04-21T00:06:10Z")
I am very good at finding and using exploits in rule systems. Ask my RTS opponents. Never thought to do it at the SDMB, but if that’s the game we are playing here… ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3891 "2016-04-21T00:13:01Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I am very good at finding and using exploits in rule systems. Ask my RTS opponents. Never thought to do it at the SDMB, but if that’s the game we are playing here… It’s not an exploit. It is explicit in the rules. > [@](#): > > Questioning or disputing the accuracy of another poster’s statements–“I don’t think that’s right”, “That’s incorrect”, “You are mistaken”, or even “That’s not true”-- is what debate and discussion is all about. However, questioning the intent of another poster in making an arguably false statement–e.g., “You are a liar”, “You are lying”, “That is a lie”, “That’s not true and you darned well know it isn’t true”– **is crossing the line into attacking the other poster rather than attacking the other poster’s arguments** , and will be considered a violation of the rules of the forum. > **[Accusations of Lying in Elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751506)** > > As in Great Debates, so in Elections. While it may be clear to many that this rule transferred over when Elections split off from Great Debates we have decided to make it explicit. You may not call another poster a liar. “You are a Liar” will be... ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3892 "2016-04-21T00:15:02Z")
I didn’t watch the video, but if this guy referred to Obama as a “raccoon” and said an exterminator would be helpful, then **Hank** has no ground to stand on, and should really stop with the protestations. And frankly, Hank, you might say you were joking or whatever, but I was also really offended by your racist language just upthread. ETA: > [@CarnalK](#): > > No, Oliver mentions at the end of the show that you can download the Chrome text switch plugin from their website. Yes, that is why and how I originally got it. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3893 "2016-04-21T00:21:29Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It’s not an exploit. It is explicit in the rules.[Accusations of Lying in Elections - Politics & Elections - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751506) Your constant attempts to portray yourself as merely enforcing the rules is blatantly disingenuous. Your real motivation is obviously to disrupt a persuasive poster arguing more effectively than yourself. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3894 "2016-04-21T00:24:36Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Your constant attempts to portray yourself as merely enforcing the rules is blatantly disingenuous. Your real motivation is obviously to disrupt a persuasive poster arguing more effectively than yourself. Who would that be? And he’s not enforcing the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3895 "2016-04-21T00:24:37Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It’s not an exploit. It is explicit in the rules.[Accusations of Lying in Elections - Politics & Elections - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751506) So constantly labeling a posters statements as disingenuous is not questioning intent? In fact, the rules paragraph you quoted perfectly describes the majority of the posts that BrainGlutton makes in response to me. While the only thing that I accused him of making up were **my own perceptions and motives that he broke the rules by questioning in the first place.** ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3896 "2016-04-21T00:25:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Who would that be? > And he’s not enforcing the rules. I guess not, but Jonathan is. Whatevs. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3897 "2016-04-21T00:28:39Z")
It’s these exact sort of regressive tactics and selective outrage that drive Trump’s popularity. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3898 "2016-04-21T00:33:38Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > It’s these exact sort of regressive tactics and selective outrage that drive Trump’s popularity. Popularity? LOL ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3899 "2016-04-21T00:36:46Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Your constant attempts to portray yourself as merely enforcing the rules is blatantly disingenuous. Your real motivation is obviously to disrupt a persuasive poster arguing more effectively than yourself. I’m powerless to enforce anything. I was just offering some enlightenment. But I appreciate the thought, however misplaced. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3900 "2016-04-21T00:36:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > And frankly, Hank, you might say you were joking or whatever, but I was also really offended by your racist language just upthread. My apologies for the offense. Words are powerful. I never use that one with flippant intentions, but I will use it in the few circumstances where there are no other ways to accurately express the sentiment I am intending to convey. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3901 "2016-04-21T00:39:27Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Popularity? LOL One in four chance of being the most powerful person on the planet, according to prediction markets. Nearly nine million votes cast for him so far. Yeah, popularity. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3902 "2016-04-21T00:41:37Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > So constantly labeling a posters statements as disingenuous is not questioning intent? I can characterize a poster’s statements any way I wish, with the exception of saying, “That’s a lie!” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3903 "2016-04-21T00:41:53Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > One in four chance of being the most powerful person on the planet, according to prediction markets. > > Nearly nine million votes cast for him so far. > > Yeah, popularity. Only a [113 million](http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/popular-vote/) to go. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3904 "2016-04-21T00:43:00Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Nearly nine million votes cast for him so far. > > Yeah, popularity. Is nine million a large number? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=194) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=196)