# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/21 "2015-09-04T01:29:08Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > and what did he lose? Nothing. He can “change his mind” later due to the fact they gave someone else the nomination. That’s nothing new-they are already working against him already. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/22 "2015-09-04T01:30:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Those are the moderates. They have little chance of success. Everybody considers themselves a moderate. Or, a radical, whichever the times call for. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/23 "2015-09-04T02:13:19Z")
So far, pretty much all the times have called for radicals. Radicals hope to change that, because the call of duty is honorable, but not nearly so pleasant as the loon. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/24 "2015-09-04T02:30:09Z")
I think it’s because nobody much gives a shit yet. The election is a year away. Just about the only bunch of Americans who are totally involved in politics every day all day… is the troglodyte Republican base. Sure, some of us leftish always check the news, talk about it, bitch about it. If you don’t listen to reactionary talk radio or watch CNN, MSNBC or Fox, you are unaware that much of anything is happening. But you add us to them and that’s pretty much it. Nobody else is paying any attention to what appears to us to be important. Trump is a lout. He _will_ fuck it up. Republicans who are worried about him should just take a chill, he ain’t gonna happen. Not saying it isn’t interesting to watch, because train wrecks just _are_ interesting. But nothing is really happening until lots more people start checking names in boxes at caucuses, primaries, and baboon shows. And by that time, it’ll be Romney… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/25 "2015-09-04T03:03:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Trump is a lout. He _will_ fuck it up. Republicans who are worried about him should just take a chill, he ain’t gonna happen. I do think that Trump is a target rich environment, the media is holding a lot of punches here and ignoring a lot of skeletons, and those are known but I would not be surprised that they are many more. I still think that the media was expecting the gravy train to arrive for the presidential election, but they have figured out how to make it come early for the Republican primary. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/26 "2015-09-04T19:51:23Z")
Latest: [Alabama](http://gravismarketing.com/polling-and-market-research/current-alabama-polling-republican-primary/) - Trump, at 38%, polls as well as _all_ other Republican primary candidates combined. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/27 "2015-09-04T20:16:19Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > … and Clinton is handily beating him in all national polls. Come back when he’s polling better than her. OK! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/28 "2015-09-04T20:25:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t see how any republican can expect Trump supporters to fall in line and vote for the eventual establishment candidate. Didn’t they always do so before? ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/29 "2015-09-04T20:50:59Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Latest: > > [Alabama](http://gravismarketing.com/polling-and-market-research/current-alabama-polling-republican-primary/) - Trump, at 38%, polls as well as _all_ other Republican primary candidates combined. That word cloud for HRC counts “Liar,” “liar,” “Lier,” & “lier” separately. That’s _weird._ :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/30 "2015-09-04T21:19:46Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > That word cloud for HRC counts “Liar,” “liar,” “Lier,” & “lier” separately. That’s _weird._ :dubious: Yes, they really should have cleaned that up, combining all those and “lie” and “Lie” into one. But wow - Alabama voters \*[really\*](http://gravismarketing.com/gravis/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/clinton.png) don’t like Clinton, eh? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/31 "2015-09-05T02:06:41Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes, they really should have cleaned that up, combining all those and “lie” and “Lie” into one. But wow - Alabama voters \*[really\*](http://gravismarketing.com/gravis/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/clinton.png) don’t like Clinton, eh? They also really don’t like interracial marriage, at least not compared to the rest of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/32 "2015-09-05T02:43:09Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > That word cloud for HRC counts “Liar,” “liar,” “Lier,” & “lier” separately. That’s _weird._ :dubious: What is truly weird is “obema.yes”. That’s stranger than even “capitalize”, which is indeed in lower case letters. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/33 "2015-09-05T03:15:11Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Delegation is all well and good, but if you don’t know who the major players are…how can you possibly delegate when you don’t even understand…geez… :smack: > > This guy…words fail me for how utterly, utterly stupid this guy is. I dislike pretty much everything about Trump, and he comes across as arrogant here, but I think he’s essentially correct. He _doesn’t_ need to know who these people are right now. At such time as he does need to know, he’ll outsource the research, the intelligence, and make a decision based on what’s presented to him. We’ve seen how that can go horribly wrong (Bush), but the basic model is sound. Please don’t misconstrue my comments as support for him; I just think it’s possible to delegate effectively without having much information, so long as you’ve conscientiously vetted the people you’re delegating to. Trump’s personality does not seem conducive to that, but hypthetically someone else’s could. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/34 "2015-09-05T03:22:52Z")
The easiest way to score an upset is to get your opponent(s) to take you lightly. That phase is probably over for Trump. He may actually have won this by sinking JEB!, but there’s a better chance that he won’t hold up against serious competition. If he does hold, if he does the work and spends the money needed to win some primaries, then get used to President Trump. It seems so unlikely he’ll get that far, but go back to my first sentence. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/35 "2015-09-05T13:35:17Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > If he does hold, if he does the work and spends the money needed to win some primaries, then get used to President Trump. No, has appeal to the TP base but he’s too alienating to win the general election. Even Sanders could beat him handily. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/36 "2015-09-05T16:51:44Z")
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/04/morning-plum-trump-has-a-better-answer-on-iran-than-his-gop-rivals-do-seriously/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/04/morning-plum-trump-has-a-better-answer-on-iran-than-his-gop-rivals-do-seriously/) > [@](#): > > On Morning Joe today, Donald Trump staked out another position that could — or at least should — force a real debate among Republicans that previously might have remained mostly walled off from discussion by GOP orthodoxy. This time the topic was Iran. > > Trump all but ridiculed his GOP rivals for their claim that on Day One, they would promptly tear up the Iran deal into little pieces and flush them down the toilet, along with the rest of the Obama presidency. Trump said that “life doesn’t work that way,” and vowed instead to do a better job implementing it than anyone else, claiming: “I will be so tough.” > > Asked by the Washington Post’s David Ignatius how he’d approach the Iran deal as president, here’s what Trump said: > > ``` > “I think that it is a disastrous deal in so many ways…we have a horrible contract. But we do have a contract. I love to buy bad contracts when people go bust and I make those contracts good…. > > “I know it would be very popular for me to do what a couple of them said, ‘we’re gonna rip it up, we’re gonna rip it up.’… > > “Iran is gonna be an absolute terror, and it’s horrible that we have to live with it. Nevertheless, we have a contract. We lost the power of sanctions because all of these other folks, these other countries that are with us are gone now, and by the way, making money…everybody is involved now with Iran selling themselves. We’re probably going to be the only ones that won’t be selling them anything…. > > “I will make that agreement so tough. And if they break it, they will have hell to pay….Politically, and certainly for the nomination, I would love to tell you that I’m gonna rip up this contract, I’m going to be the toughest guy in the world. But you know what? Life doesn’t work that way.”.... > > ``` Clearly, Trump is a Muslim secret agent, and most likely aligned with Iran’s dominant sect. The Shi’ite is really going to hit the fan, now! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/37 "2015-09-05T17:33:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, has appeal to the TP base but he’s too alienating to win the general election. Even Sanders could beat him handily. Way too alienating. He wants to raise taxes on the rich, defends planned parenthood and is going to keep the Iran deal. Now I forget which one of them I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/38 "2015-09-05T20:03:34Z")
[http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d950cadf-05ce-4148-a125-35c0cdab26c6](http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d950cadf-05ce-4148-a125-35c0cdab26c6) - Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. - Trump 44%, Sanders 40% - Trump 44%, Biden 42% - Trump 44%, Gore 41% ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/39 "2015-09-05T20:21:15Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [SurveyUSA Election Poll #22490](http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d950cadf-05ce-4148-a125-35c0cdab26c6) > > - Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. > - Trump 44%, Sanders 40% > - Trump 44%, Biden 42% > - Trump 44%, Gore 41% Most of the traditional GOP and Democrats should worry just a bit, but not much until I see the endorsements going to Trump. > **[The 2016 Endorsement Primary](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/)** > > FiveThirtyEight is collecting endorsements throughout the invisible primary and beyond to show who has the most party support. > [@](#): > > In presidential primaries, endorsements have been among the best predictors of which candidates will succeed and which will fail. So we’re keeping track. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/40 "2015-09-05T20:31:21Z")
**adaher** , can I borrow you Wild Ass Prediction hat? Thanks. (Kinda small…) Trump will never make it. Sooner or later, he will shoot his mouth off the wrong way. Probably sooner, but he’s got a _long_ time. The _punditti_ thought it would be much sooner, and they were wrong. Donald Trump might defeat all his enemies except Donald Trump. (Dons hat) This time, next year, he will be forgotten but not gone. (Remove hat, add lefty cooties, return…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=3)