# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 204
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4066 "2016-05-02T05:24:56Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The venue had a maximum capacity of 8,000 and wasn’t even half full. Cite for the amphitheater not even being half full? > [@Trinopus](#): > > KFI estimates 3,100. In attendance, or turned away because all of the seats were taken? Cite please. > [@Trinopus](#): > > Trump exaggerates (lies his ass off) ten-for-one. He’s not the only one that’s lying his ass off. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4067 "2016-05-02T06:38:42Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > Cite for the amphitheater not even being half full? > > In attendance, or turned away because all of the seats were taken? Cite please. > > He’s not the only one that’s lying his ass off. KFI radio broadcast. Sorry, I don’t have the practice of taping it and archiving it. KFI was one of the sponsors for Trump’s speech. They, on the air, laughed at Trump for making up absurd numbers. They gave the estimate of the crowd’s size. I also linked to a news article that explained all of this. I’ve already provided a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4068 "2016-05-02T09:23:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Be more efficient to have him take the nomination, then in November let the world know just how offensive sane Americans find the entire Republican Party. Last summer, I [thought this would be the most cleansing, least likely event](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18547072&postcount=411) for the Republican Party. I’ll quote the penultimate line of that post: > [@Donald Trump announces presidential run](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/411): > > November 2016 is beautiful beyond words for all of us bitter schadenfreude addicts who read The Free Republic. At that point, I thought Jeb would eventually stagger away with the nomination and stumble through a gaffe-filled Romneyesque general election, and I secretly feared Rubio would quietly maneuver himself into the top spot and be a genuinely challenging opponent for Clinton. Little did I know how far the rot in the core of the modern Republican Party had progressed, and how incapable it was of fighting off diseases like Trump and Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4069 "2016-05-02T11:33:26Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > He’s not the only one that’s lying his ass off. Since you are not specific on who is lying and you are only responding to one poster, this gives the strong appearance that you are accusing that poster of lying. Back off and do not do this again. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4070 "2016-05-02T13:06:40Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > KFI radio broadcast. Sorry, I don’t have the practice of taping it and archiving it. > > KFI was one of the sponsors for Trump’s speech. They, on the air, laughed at Trump for making up absurd numbers. They gave the estimate of the crowd’s size. > > I also linked to a news article that explained all of this. I’ve already provided a cite. His whole schtick of exaggerating pretty much everything got old about a year ago. You can only roll your eyes at him so many times before it gets exhausting. One of his speeches he did somewhere last week when he started speaking a few people were still coming in to find their seats. He immediately jumped on this exclaiming “Look! There’s still ‘thousands’ of people outside making their way in.” He’s like that guy at the bar who has to one-up everyone and exaggerate all his stories. It doesn’t take long before he has the reputation of being full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4071 "2016-05-02T13:09:04Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > **Cite for the amphitheater not even being half full?** > > In attendance, or turned away because all of the seats were taken? Cite please. > > He’s not the only one that’s lying his ass off. [Santa Cruz Boardwalk.](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Santa+Cruz+Beach+Boardwalk/@36.9642397,-122.0210123,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x808e40195645ec51:0x903bdc909334fa5) Look at the corner of Cliff and Beach. Follow Beach back to the Santa Cruz Wharf. That’s a quarter mile. The field of The Wharf To Wharf Race fills that space, including the sidewalk, standing shoulder to shoulder. That’s only 16,000. _Half_ of what Trump claims. Figuring 16 feet, sidewalk to sidewalk and 1200 feet long-19200 sq. ft. How big was the room Trump was speaking in? ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4072 "2016-05-02T14:09:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Santa Cruz Boardwalk.](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Santa+Cruz+Beach+Boardwalk/@36.9642397,-122.0210123,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x808e40195645ec51:0x903bdc909334fa5) > Look at the corner of Cliff and Beach. Follow Beach back to the Santa Cruz Wharf. > That’s a quarter mile. The field of The Wharf To Wharf Race fills that space, including the sidewalk, standing shoulder to shoulder. > That’s only 16,000. _Half_ of what Trump claims. > Figuring 16 feet, sidewalk to sidewalk and 1200 feet long-19200 sq. ft. > How big was the room Trump was speaking in? Quit trying to change the subject. Was the amphitheater filled to capacity or wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4073 "2016-05-02T14:17:32Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > Quit trying to change the subject. Was the amphitheater filled to capacity or wasn’t it? Where is this amphitheater? The Hyatt Regency site makes no mention of it. The largest room they have [has a capacity](http://www.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/sfobu/capacity.pdf) of 2592 in reception configuration. At any rate, Trump was claiming a crowd of 31,000. I was showing why that’s impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4074 "2016-05-02T14:17:53Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I also linked to a news article that explained all of this. I’ve already provided a cite. I’m looking for a cite that supports “The venue had a maximum capacity of 8,000 and **wasn’t even half full**.” The truth is that the venue was filled to capacity and thousands had to be turned away, despite the fact that the rally was only announced a day in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4075 "2016-05-02T14:19:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > At any rate, Trump was claiming a crowd of 31,000. I was showing why that’s impossible. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4076 "2016-05-02T14:30:20Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > They gave the estimate of the crowd’s size. I think you’re misrepresenting what was actually said. At 3:00 pm KFI announced that there were already around 3,000 people waiting outside the gate ALREADY, but the rally didn’t start until 7:00 pm that evening. Thousands more arrived later. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4077 "2016-05-02T14:31:38Z")
The second photo on Trump’s Twitter account is from 2013 in Mexico City from a[Zombie Walk.](http://www.businessinsider.com/zombie-walk-mexico-city-2013-11) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4078 "2016-05-02T20:56:00Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > I think you’re misrepresenting what was actually said. At 3:00 pm KFI announced that there were already around 3,000 people waiting outside the gate ALREADY, but the rally didn’t start until 7:00 pm that evening. Thousands more arrived later. I’m not able to document what I heard said on a radio broadcast, any more than you are. If KFI was wrong in what they said, that’s hardly the first time. The “John and Ken” show has a consistent climate-change denial theme, so they’re hardly the most trustworthy people on the air. They were one of the sponsors of Trump’s speech, and they, themselves, said that he was wrong about his claims of attendance. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4079 "2016-05-02T21:39:35Z")
So … the claim that it was only half full seems to be untrue, it was [“filled nearly to capacity”](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-04282016-rally-venue-near-capacity-as-crowd-waits-for-trump-1461896978-htmlstory.html), and Trump’s claim if 31,000 is also untrue, as the venue’s max capacity of roughly 8000 is also true. Moving along … but really this is a headline at this point? “Trump makes shit up!” I think even his supporters accept that fact. It’s just that what he makes up is in service of making the points they want made, just bigger than in real life. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4080 "2016-05-02T21:49:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > So Americans can’t crititicise a politician? 😕 I’m drawing a distinction between \*policies \*and _ideas_. A politician, in his role as an office holder, has policies – those are eminently protestable and I’ll defend to the death your right to protest some bone-headed, immoral, unconstitutional or just stupid action on the part of our representatives. But a candidate with no office – he doesn’t have policies, he just has ideas. All that you can protest are the half-baked notions swimming around in his pea brain and coming out his mouth. And I don’t like the idea of protesting against ideas that we don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4081 "2016-05-02T21:51:53Z")
Well here’s [one](http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/02/donald-trump-says-he-has-more-foreign-policy-experience-than-virtually-anyone-in-race/) of him speaking truthfully. > [@](#): > > Donald J. Trump declared on Monday that he has more foreign policy experience than “virtually anyone” else in the presidential field. And truth is that Cruz, Kasich, and Sanders, all have basically none. Even his international business relations is more experience than that, even if it is not really relevant experience. Of course “virtually” is the out. One candidate has lots more than him and relevant experience at that … the one he will be facing in the general. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4082 "2016-05-02T22:13:34Z")
I think that for Trump supporters, his blatant lies and outrageous comments are actually a feature, not a bug. So when Trump says that he had 31,000 supporters in an 8,000 person venue, his people are all happy about that. Plus, some of them are probably rather innumerate, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4083 "2016-05-02T23:36:33Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > And I don’t like the idea of protesting against ideas that we don’t like. I’ve got to admit, your concept here bewilders the shit out of me. How do you believe we should oppose ideas that we don’t like? Most relevantly, how do you believe that we should oppose the ideas that we don’t like of a serious candidate for President? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4084 "2016-05-02T23:44:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > …Plus, some of them are probably rather innumerate, so there’s that. That means “just too many to count,” right? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/4085 "2016-05-03T00:52:32Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’ve got to admit, your concept here bewilders the shit out of me. How do you believe we should oppose ideas that we don’t like? Most relevantly, how do you believe that we should oppose the ideas that we don’t like of a serious candidate for President? Strongly worded opinion pieces in the newspaper? Actually, Dseid and Einstein, in posts 4052-4055, stated similar positions better than I have. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=203) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=205)