# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/401 "2015-10-06T02:14:22Z")
> [@John\_D\_Adamo](#): > > Collins, Mark Kirk, Lisa Murkowski (Senate) > Charlie Dent, Chris Smith (House) Anyone who remembers that long string of 59-41 Senate votes during 2010 is forever disabused of the notion of Susan Collins as any sort of moderate. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/402 "2015-10-06T02:25:57Z")
the people of Maine sent her back to Washington. Apparently they approved of her votes. So unless Maine has turned red, she’s moderate. A lot of Democrats did lose their jobs though, even in blue states. So you should perhaps reassess who wasn’t being moderate from 2009-2010. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/403 "2015-10-06T05:52:05Z")
Is this the adaher principle in action, whereby moderation is a major boost to a candidate with an ®? ®, me hearties, ®! ®! ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/404 "2015-10-06T13:02:22Z")
Trump sent a care package of water and towels to Rubio. Trump is pictured on the items. > **[First on CNN: Trump sent prank care package to Rubio | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/politics/donald-trump-marco-rubio-care-package/index.html)** > > Donald Trump is escalating his attacks on Senator Marco Rubio to the next level with a special delivery for his rival: "Trump Ice Natural Spring Water." Cause he sweats so much. ---
**Author:** ![John\_D\_Adamo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@John\_D\_Adamo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_D_Adamo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/405 "2015-10-06T13:17:44Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Anyone who remembers that long string of 59-41 Senate votes during 2010 is forever disabused of the notion of Susan Collins as any sort of moderate. Collins backed Obama on multiple initiatives during initial string of 2009 and voted for [the New START treaty](https://votesmart.org/bill/12452/32996/379/treaty-with-russia-to-reduce-and-limit-offensive-arms#.VhPKf_lViko). Unemployment benefits extension in April 2010. She supported [Cash for Clunkers](https://votesmart.org/bill/10063/27264/379/supplemental-appropriations-for-the-cash-for-clunkers-program#.VhPJ6PlViko) and the [HR1 Stimulus in 09](https://votesmart.org/bill/8619/23525/379/appropriations-tax-law-amendments-and-unemployment-benefit-amendments-stimulus-bill#.VhPJ_vlViko). (only one of two Republicans to do so). And [voted for repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell](https://votesmart.org/bill/12449/32979/379/dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-act#.VhPKbPlViko). Even recently last year she voted with Dems on S 2578, the[Protect Women’s Health from Corporate Interference Act.](https://votesmart.org/bill/18702/49362/379/protect-womens-health-from-corporate-interference-act-of-2014#.VhPJWvlViko) She has countless other votes, of course, supporting the GOP. But if there IS still somewhat of a moderate in the Senate I think she fits the bill. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/406 "2015-10-06T13:19:26Z")
It’s ridiculously immature and juvenile on Trump’s part, but his tweaking Rubio over the water thing really is pretty funny. > [@](#): > > “I’ve never seen a young guy sweat that much. He’s drinking water, water, water. I never saw anything like this with him with the water,” Trump said while speaking in South Carolina last week. > > On MSNBC the next morning, he said, “I’ve never seen a guy down water like he downs water. They bring it in in buckets for this guy.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/407 "2015-10-06T13:26:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is this the adaher principle in action, whereby moderation is a major boost to a candidate with an (R)? (R), me hearties, (R)! (R)! “Talk like a pirate” day was last month, so is this “talk like a Republican” day? 😉 At any rate, my impression of Susan Collins is that she’s been able to stay in office by talking like a moderate, but breaking from her party only once every blue moon or so when it came time to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/408 "2015-10-06T15:47:28Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > “Talk like a pirate” day was last month, so is this “talk like a Republican” day? 😉 > > At any rate, my impression of Susan Collins is that she’s been able to stay in office by talking like a moderate, but breaking from her party only once every blue moon or so when it came time to vote. In the 112th Congress (2011 to 2013) she [voted with the Republicans 66% of the time](http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/senate/members/), second only to Dean Heller of Nevada in crossing the aisle. I’d say that was more than once in a blue moon. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/409 "2015-10-06T16:09:29Z")
Anybody who voted against even such a moderate and quite conservative health care reform bill as the Affordable Care Act is not a moderate in any meaningful and real sense of the term. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/410 "2015-10-06T16:31:56Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > In the 112th Congress (2011 to 2013) she [voted with the Republicans 66% of the time](http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/senate/members/), second only to Dean Heller of Nevada in crossing the aisle. I’d say that was more than once in a blue moon. Given the solid GOP majority in the House in that Congress, I’m gonna call ‘free vote,’ i.e. when your party leader tells you to vote whichever way will help keep you popular with the home folks so you can win re-election, because your vote isn’t needed. In 2010, Collins’ vote _mattered_. With a solidly Dem House, and 59 Senators in the Dem caucus, her vote was, or could have been, the tipping point. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/411 "2015-10-06T20:34:31Z")
I don’t want to start another Trump thread, so I’ll ask this question here. Assuming Trump drops out before it becomes obvious who the eventual nominee is, who do you think he will endorse? Would his endorsement possibly make a difference? I ask mostly because I wonder who the people currently supporting Trump would move on to should Trump drop out. Who do you see winning over the Trump supporters when he drops out? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/412 "2015-10-06T20:41:39Z")
Those are two different questions. Who will Trump endorse? Trump. I cannot see a scenario in which he endorses another candidate unless he is paid handsomely (in which case, Bush) or has an excellent quid pro quo (less likely, because if his candidate doesn’t win, he gets nothing). Who will Trump supporters go to? I suspect Fiorina. She has no political experience, isn’t black, Asian, or Latino\*, is a good speaker, and is just the right combination of savvy and insane. He’s more likely to cut a backroom deal with her to drop out first and have her endorse him, though, so in that case… I dunno. Maybe Carson. \*Hey, I just realized, this is the first time we’ve had at least one of each of these as contenders for a major political party. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/413 "2015-10-06T21:00:39Z")
Trump supporters should eventually end up with Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/414 "2015-10-06T21:14:14Z")
Mittens waits patiently by the phone… ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/415 "2015-10-06T21:15:14Z")
Fiorina’s just a more masculine Lindsey Graham and Cruz is an actual Tea Partier-neither of which ideologies are particularly to Trump voters. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/416 "2015-10-07T15:59:25Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Fiorina’s just a more masculine Lindsey Graham QFT. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/417 "2015-10-08T20:06:13Z")
Donald Trump: The Choice of Dutch White Supremacists! via [Talking Points Memo](http://http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-dutch-white-supremacist): > [@](#): > > Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump late Wednesday thanked and retweeted a message of support from a man who identified himself as a Dutch white supremacist. > > Twitter user @keksec\_org tweeted at the real estate mogul to tell him “I truly believe you are the best to #MakeAmericaGreatAgain.” > > Trump shared the message with his own followers and thanked the Twitter user, whose bio read “#KekSec/Stop #WhiteGenocide/White Preservist/Programmer/Dutch Patriot/Race War when?” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/418 "2015-10-12T04:45:08Z")
[Long story; lots of shenanigans: > [@](#): > > The directors of the Trump Ocean Club met July 28 on urgent business. They needed to fire Donald Trump. > > The building’s residents and condo owners had invested in the namesake, a 70-story waterfront tower along Panama Bay, on the strength of Trump’s reputation. But during the four years that Trump Panama Condominium Management LLC had managed the property, Central America’s largest building, a team installed by the Trump family was accused of running up more than $2 million in unauthorized debts, paying its executives undisclosed bonuses and withholding basic financial information from owners, according to an Associated Press examination. > > The Trumps had done all of this through fine-print chicanery, the board said. A clause in many residents’ purchase agreements prevented them from voting against the Trump company’s wishes. That allowed the Trumps to install their top employee as chairman and the residents’ representative on the board - even though the Trumps’ actual stake in the building’s residential area was merely a storage closet on the 15th floor. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_GOP\_2016\_TRUMP\_PANAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-11-11-56-40](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016_TRUMP_PANAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-11-11-56-40)) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/419 "2015-10-12T05:17:59Z")
So. Once again, its the Dutch. Uh-huh. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/420 "2015-10-12T06:46:05Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Trump supporters should eventually end up with Cruz. Trump is “to the left” of most of the other major GOP contenders, while Cruz might be the most right-wing of any Presidential candidate ever, not excepting Lester Maddox or Howard Phillips. But you’re probably right. Trump supporters aren’t policy geeks; they’re into bombast and zaniness. If a charismatic candidate emerged who only wanted to talk about flying saucers and alien abductions, he’d probably soar past Trump and Cruz in the polls. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=22)