# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Sputnikkk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Sputnikkk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sputnikkk)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/703 "2015-12-07T23:13:30Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > A headline on the BBC right now reads: [Donald Trump Urges Ban on Muslims Coming to US](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35035190). > > This is the most explicitly racist thing he’s done in a couple of days. I’m so embarrassed by my country: that more than a handful of people admire him shames me deeply. I think the US should ban muslim’s coming into the country, not for the same reasons as Trump though, the US is a crazy place right now and can’t even take care of the people already there, it needs to get its shit together before it accepts any muslims or refugees. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/704 "2015-12-07T23:16:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Trump is far more concerned about the safety of Americans than he is racist against a group of people that aren’t a race anyway Then he should be a little more concerned about freedom of religion than he is about pandering to cowardly rednecks. > [@](#): > > They’ve said this in so many words themselves. And therefore, the appropriate response is to piss ourselves in fright and do exactly what ISIS wants us to do by treating all Muslims as enemies. I’m sure Caliph Al-Baghdadi appreciates all the help you’re rendering to his cause, faithful mujahid. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/705 "2015-12-07T23:18:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Trump is far more concerned about the safety of Americans than he is racist against a group of people that aren’t a race anyway. If it were up to people who think like you the country would be flooded with these douchebags, all sorts of atrocities would be planned out in mosques that you’re afraid to monitor for fear of ‘racism’, and then once a large terror attack gets pulled off you’ll be blaming us for U.S. policy in the Middle East. Got it – Muslims are “douchebags” and dangerous, but there’s no bigotry involved. > [@](#): > > Why is it that liberals are never concerned about the potential victims when it comes to issues like these? They work like hell to disarm law abiding citizens, work like hell to get criminals out of prison or reduce their sentences, believe robbers should be free to escape and possibly murder someone in the next robbery because the money they took isn’t worth a human life, etc., etc., etc. I swear, if there’s a way for innocent people to be victimized by bad guys you people are all over it. Does it never occur to you that your friends and families can wind up victims of these people too? More fantasy-liberal stuff. These fantasy-world liberals really are awful. Down with the liberals that live inside **Starving Artist’s** head! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/706 "2015-12-07T23:31:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It isn’t racist in the slightest. He knows we can’t properly vet incoming Muslims (and that the current administration isn’t much inclined to even try) and he knows that ISIS and Al Qaeda intend to infiltrate their ranks so as to slip their operatives into the country. Does he want to ban all legal immigration by Mexicans? After all, he knows most of them are murderers, drug dealers or rapists. Why would he risk the security of Americans by banning Muslims but not Mexicans? And don’t get me started about the Dutch… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/707 "2015-12-07T23:32:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Got it – Muslims are “douchebags” and dangerous, but there’s no bigotry involved. Are you being deliberately obtuse? No, Muslims aren’t douchebags. But the would-be terrorists in their ranks are and the only effective way to try to keep them out since we have no way to determine who they are is to also deny entry to the groups they intend to infiltrate. This stuff is dog simple, I can’t believe it has to be explained. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/708 "2015-12-07T23:46:09Z")
> [@Sputnikkk](#): > > I think the US should ban muslim’s coming into the country, not for the same reasons as Trump though, the US is a crazy place right now and can’t even take care of the people already there, it needs to get its shit together before it accepts any muslims or refugees. :rolleyes::rolleyes: It is a good thing that the misguided Americans that claimed that communists infiltrators would come with the Vietnamese refugees in the 60’s and 70’s were not listened to. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Are you being deliberately obtuse? No, Muslims aren’t douchebags. But the would-be terrorists in their ranks are and the only effective way to try to keep them out since we have no way to determine who they are is to also deny entry to the groups they intend to infiltrate. This stuff is dog simple, I can’t believe it has to be explained. And we should remember that by your own words in those years the country was going to pot. Nowadays the Vietnamese community is doing a lot to increase the connections with the old country, and not only of the cultural kind, but the business one as well. The issues is not as simple as you want it to be, people that do tell you it is are the demagogues. Again, refugees coming to the USA are the most vetted people around. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/709 "2015-12-08T00:09:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Are you being deliberately obtuse? No, Muslims aren’t douchebags. But the would-be terrorists in their ranks are and the only effective way to try to keep them out since we have no way to determine who they are is to also deny entry to the groups they intend to infiltrate. This stuff is dog simple, I can’t believe it has to be explained. Speaking of dog simple: Any candidate for President of the USA ought to have at least a passing familiarity with the Constitution, which is pretty explicit about the federal government and religion. Also, I disagree with “the only effective way” on two counts: it’s not effective (what’s to stop the terrorists from identifying themselves as Christians?) and it’s not the only way. To claim that it is shows a singular lack of imagination. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/710 "2015-12-08T00:12:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Are you being deliberately obtuse? No, Muslims aren’t douchebags. Then you shouldn’t have referred to Muslims as “douchebags”. > [@](#): > > But the would-be terrorists in their ranks are and the only effective way to try to keep them out since we have no way to determine who they are is to also deny entry to the groups they intend to infiltrate. This stuff is dog simple, I can’t believe it has to be explained. I’d say the best way to protect ourselves from the small number of crazy Muslims is to make sure the much larger number of non-crazy Muslims, who will probably attend the same mosques, are on our (America’s) side. Discriminating against all Muslims is likely to make the non-crazy Muslims less favorably inclined towards America. Trump’s plan helps the terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/711 "2015-12-08T02:15:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Why is it that liberals are never concerned about the potential victims when it comes to issues like these? What is up with people who drive automobiles? Don’t they know the damage that a multi-ton hunk of steel going at excess of 60 mph can do, especially if two of them are going in opposite directions and hit each other? I mean, just look at the statistics of how many traffic deaths there are. How is such a thing still legal? It’s absolutely unconscionable that we allow such reckless behavior continue in our country. Can’t anyone see the huge safety problems we’re incurring by letting people freely run huge hunks of metal at high speeds? It’s so simple, I can’t believe I even need to explain it. God Almighty. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/712 "2015-12-08T02:19:54Z")
Don’t get me started on people who let others cut them open and rearrange their innards - and pay for the privilege because they think it’ll help them out in the long run. I mean, I don’t care if it’s consensual, it’s freaking dangerous! I don’t care how long you’ve studied, there are so many risks involved with cutting people open, I’m sure you can find statistics behind how many people die on the operating table accidentally. More generally, medical mistakes are the 3rd largest cause of death in the country. How do we let them get away with killing so many people for so long? It’s time to stop practicing medicine. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/713 "2015-12-08T02:31:09Z")
Found on Reddit: “If Trump gets the nomination, it’ll be Democrats versus _literally Hitler_.” ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/714 "2015-12-08T02:43:04Z")
**glowacks** : Total agreement. Once Hillary becomes President, after I grab all the guns, I plan on grabbing all the cars. After which I will grab surgeons’ scalpels. Can I grab all the power tools next? Those things are SO damn loud. – Uke, not being sarcastic. REALLY not being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/715 "2015-12-08T02:46:47Z")
I’m willing to consider that he might have a point. Mormons, for instance, or certain Pentecostal varieties, there might be a value to it. Scientology, another prime candidate. But that’s not how we are _supposed_ to do things. Not saying we never did, because we did. Or that none of us are like that, because clearly, some of us are. Just saying we shouldn’t. And we should not trust anyone who says we should. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/716 "2015-12-08T02:48:12Z")
> [@Sputnikkk](#): > > I think the US should ban muslim’s coming into the country, not for the same reasons as Trump though, the US is a crazy place right now and can’t even take care of the people already there, it needs to get its shit together before it accepts any muslims or refugees. This is blatantly false and stupid. America is the wealthiest, most affluent, and most prosperous society in human history by so far that it’s off the scale. And we are better off now than we have been in decades. We are absolutely, easily able to take in 10 times as many immigrants as we do now with no appreciable harm and to our considerable benefit. If we don’t have our shot together now it’s because we are afflicted by the same kinds of mental and moral deficiencies that we would have to deal with no matter the circumstances. We are living in a golden age of America and a golden age of humanity with the most peaceful and prosperous world that humans have ever known, and if you can’t see that, you need better perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/717 "2015-12-08T03:28:02Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Speaking of dog simple: > > Any candidate for President of the USA ought to have at least a passing familiarity with the Constitution, which is pretty explicit about the federal government and religion. The Constitution only covers citizens of the United States. I imagine Trump, unlike yourself apparently, is aware of that. But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I don’t believe Trump is serious about almost anything he’s saying. I don’t know what he’s up to but you can bet he does and that it’ll probably end the way he wants it to. But for now I’m guessing he’s going mostly for the publicity. He’s said he’ll spend a billion dollars if he has to on his campaign but he’s not going to throw money away needlessly, and for now he’s getting millions and millions of dollars worth of publicity without having to spend anything. So maybe it’s a case of saying outrageous stuff in order to stay on top while the election’s still a long way off and then start getting serious later on as it becomes more important. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/718 "2015-12-08T03:29:44Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > A headline on the BBC right now reads: [Donald Trump Urges Ban on Muslims Coming to US](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35035190). > [@](#): > > Out on a limb - how other 2016 hopefuls reacted > Republicans: > “ridiculous position” - New Jersey Governor Chris Christie > “dangerous overreaction” - businesswoman Carly Fiorina > “offensive and outlandish” - Florida Senator Marco Rubio > “unhinged” - ex-Florida Governor Jeb Bush > “outrageous divisiveness” - Ohio Governor John Kasich > “downright dangerous” - S Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham > “not my policy” - Texas Senator Ted Cruz > Democrats: > “a fascist demagogue” - ex-Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley > “reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive” - Hillary Clinton > “demagogue” - Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders LOL at Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/719 "2015-12-08T03:53:15Z")
> [@](#): > > The Constitution only covers citizens of the United States. Not true, but then you knew that, I’m sure. Do you really think non-citizens don’t have fundamental rights such as the right to worship or to have a jury trial? [The Mayor of St. Petersburg has banned Trump for the city for safety reasons.](http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/st-petersburg-mayor-rick-kriseman-tweets-a-ban-on-donald-trump-from-the-city) ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/720 "2015-12-08T03:55:44Z")
Melania Trump is from Slovenia, a country where Islam is the second most popular religion after Christianity. What is the vetting process for Slovenian immigrants to the USA? Is Melania part of an ISIS sleeper cell? Is she radicalizing Donald? These are very real possibilities that should be investigated. I think all Presidential candidates with immigrant wives should be banned from running until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on with immigration. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/721 "2015-12-08T04:18:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Not true, but then you knew that, I’m sure. Do you really think non-citizens don’t have fundamental rights such as the right to worship or to have a jury trial? > [@](#): > > Aliens in the U.S. have essentially the same rights as citizens for many purposes because of the 5th and 14th Amendments’ language, but aliens do not have constitutional rights against the U.S. government outside its territory. [Cite](https://ricochet.com/archives/constitutional-rights-for-non-citizens/) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/722 "2015-12-08T04:19:22Z")
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