# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/763 "2015-12-08T14:28:50Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > During the second world war the U.K. imprisoned German civilians living in the U.K. I believe that the U.S.A. also imprisoned Japanese civilians, so we are not looking at anything new. The problem we have is that the present problems are not hosted by a nation but by a religion that has a history of NOT tolerating other religions. Are all Muslims evil NO what the are guilty of is a failure to admit that there is a massive problem within Islam and a complete failure to take positive action against the terrorists known to them. > I personally do not like Trump and do not want to see him in any position of power. But we cannot ignore him because in amongst the ranting and raving are grains of truth and these truths need to be addressed. The U.S.A. needs to look outside of her borders and observe what is happening in Europe and Asia, what we are experiencing now you will start to experience in two or three years time. Because Europe has not taken the threat seriously and have been to scared of being called racist we are now starting to see the public swing in support of the right In the USA, we imprisoned Japanese & _Japanese-Americans_. Men, women & children born in the USA. But you could tell they were “different” by looking at them. Imprisoning or overseeing foreign nationals in a time of war is one thing–this is considered a shameful episode in our history. What you have been “experiencing” is not just terrorism–but the presence of non-white people in your countries. How many came from your former colonies? Yes, we know that racists & xenophobes in the UK & Europe are becoming more vocal. Shame on you. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/764 "2015-12-08T15:02:18Z")
Indeed, imprisoning Japanese citizens is one thing. Imprisoning US citizens because they presented epicanthic folds passes understanding in a democracy. Trump is mirroring the plot from The Producers now, isn’t he - this is supposed to be an exit strategy? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/765 "2015-12-08T15:02:31Z")
Apologies, this is a modest derail but I had to address these points or it would nag at me all day. > [@T.M](#): > > The problem we have is that the present problems are not hosted by a nation but by a religion that has a history of NOT tolerating other religions. Really? Like the way Spain after 600 years of Muslim occupation was completely Muslim…oops. Or how Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, et. al. became 100% Muslim after 300 years of Ottoman Muslim rule…er, no, try again. And I use these older items because _you cannot find a recent example of a Muslim nation conquering and occupying a Christian nation._ And Jews lived (albeit, like their felow religionists in Europe, in ghettos) in Islam until the formation of Israel in 1948. You really do need, like Trump, to read at least a little history beyond 30 years ago… > [@](#): > > Are all Muslims evil? NO! What the are guilty of is a failure to admit that there is a massive problem within Islam and a complete failure to take positive action against the terrorists known to them. And who, pray tell, is doing most of the dying on the ground in Syria and Iraq to combat ISIS? Hint: It ain’t the Crusaders in their F-15’s and MIG’s, pal. Look, there is an issue with terrorism and it is focused on radical Muslims; I grant that. But to take Trumps’ “remedy” or try to do what we did with Japanese-Americans in 1942 is to regress to a less-intelligent, more-reactive policy that will make us a mean, less civilized version of what we have worked (and struggled) to attain in this country. And I for one am not willing to cede it: Not to terrorists, and not to Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/766 "2015-12-08T15:39:27Z")
Even Dick Cheney – _Dick Cheney!_ – says Trump’s call to ban all Muslims is “[against everything we stand for](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-donald-trump-muslim-ban-extreme).” I like to imagine Cheney like Doc Ock at the end of _Spider-Man 2_ as he drags the reactor into the river: “I will not die a monster!” ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/767 "2015-12-08T16:12:07Z")
I’m grateful for trump’s loony pronouncements. It helps smoke out the bad Americans. Sometimes bad Americans can hide and blend in with the others, but Trump’s got them coming out cheering and stomping. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/768 "2015-12-08T16:56:20Z")
Remember that whole kerfuffle when some right-wing talking head claimed that Birmingham (UK) was a “no-go” area because of t3h M00slims? Remember the international derision that followed? Apparently Trump doesn’t: [Police Fear For Lives In Radical London](http://news.sky.com/story/1602135/trump-police-fear-for-lives-in-radical-london). Um…no they don’t. They really don’t. Let the derision commence oh wait it already has… > [@Ruth Davidson MSP](#): > > So, twitter, we’re all agreed? Trump’s a clay-brained guts, knotty-pated fool, whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch, right? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/769 "2015-12-08T17:01:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Liberals love to put a lot of emphasis on “don’t do things that make enemies”, but it’s not very intelligent policymaking in the real world. Is it good for us or is it not good for us? Is it right or wrong? Those two questions come before “will it make us less liked?” Doing the right thing and doing the smart thing will make enemies, assuming you’re doing it right. On that note, the well-known liberal politician known as[Dick Cheney said](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-donald-trump-muslim-ban-extreme): > [@](#): > > “I think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in. I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from,” Cheney said on a Monday appearance on the radio show. “A lot of people, my ancestors got here, because they were Puritans.” Sounds like he believes this policy is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/770 "2015-12-08T17:17:28Z")
My priority is truth, even when it works against those arguing from “my side of the aisle.” So … > [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > And I use these older items because _you cannot find a recent example of a Muslim nation conquering and occupying a Christian nation._ I hate to use the word Nitpick, to mention [the Massacre of about 1,000,000 Armenians or more, along with other Christians, by the Ottoman Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide). (But please do quibble with the word choice “conquering and occupying … a nation” to remind me why the SDMB is so unique!) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/771 "2015-12-08T17:22:02Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Even Dick Cheney – _Dick Cheney!_ – says Trump’s call to ban all Muslims is “[against everything we stand for](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-donald-trump-muslim-ban-extreme).” > > I like to imagine Cheney like Doc Ock at the end of _Spider-Man 2_ as he drags the reactor into the river: “I will not die a monster!” I would be more willing to give him credit but I think that the Republicans finally noticed that Trump is finally down in the polling of the early primary estates so there is no need to appeal to the troglodyte wing of the party now. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/772 "2015-12-08T17:53:27Z")
From the remarks I am reading your thinking seems to be 6-7 years behind us in the U.K. 6-7 years ago in the U.K. we have a group called the E.D.L. warning us about the growth of Islam within the U.K. the result was a smear campaign led by a left wing government shouting racism, Islamophobia, religious hatred etc. sadly the claims by the E.D.L. have been proved correct in several court cases, another group Faith Freedom International a group founded by ex-Muslims have been issuing the same warnings. The U.S.A. has likened the U.K. to a Islamic aircraft carrier of the coast of mainline Europe. History books are fine and they can be useful in helping us not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Just as an exercise try using the word Nazi instead of Islamism, all the same intolerance and hatred is there. The attacks are not only on Christians have a look at the suffering of Sikh’s, Hindu’s and Buddhist’s at the hands of Islam ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/773 "2015-12-08T18:01:04Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > From the remarks I am reading your thinking seems to be 6-7 years behind us in the U.K. 6-7 years ago in the U.K. we have a group called the E.D.L. warning us about the growth of Islam within the U.K. the result was a smear campaign led by a left wing government shouting racism, Islamophobia, religious hatred etc. sadly the claims by the E.D.L. have been proved correct in several court cases, another group Faith Freedom International a group founded by ex-Muslims have been issuing the same warnings. The U.S.A. has likened the U.K. to a Islamic aircraft carrier of the coast of mainline Europe. History books are fine and they can be useful in helping us not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Just as an exercise try using the word Nazi instead of Islamism, all the same intolerance and hatred is there. The attacks are not only on Christians have a look at the suffering of Sikh’s, Hindu’s and Buddhist’s at the hands of Islam Keep your English Defense League yahoos on the other side of the Atlantic. Alas, we have enough native-born hate groups already. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/774 "2015-12-08T18:04:24Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > The attacks are not only on Christians have a look at the suffering of Sikh’s, Hindu’s and Buddhist’s at the hands of Islam Which religion has suffered the most as a result of Islamic terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/775 "2015-12-08T18:13:27Z")
I’m still somewhat convinced that this is all a massive troll on the part of Trump. I expect him to keep pushing this as far as he possibly can. He’s already talked about a national identification database for Muslims living in the US. Next, will be him issuing a policy statement that merely keeping Muslims out is not enough, and we need to keep all of these “American” Muslims together in one place, so we can keep an eye on them. Sort of a series of places where they can all live together - an encampment, so to speak. And he’ll have lots and lots of people who absolutely LOVE this idea. I think he’s going to keep pushing this as far as he can, just to see how far he can push the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party. Then he’ll have his “big reveal”, where he laughs at them. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/776 "2015-12-08T18:38:08Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > …he result was a smear campaign led by a left wing government shouting racism, Islamophobia, religious hatred etc… The EDL _is_ racist and Islamophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/777 "2015-12-08T18:38:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I expect him to keep pushing this as far as he possibly can. He’s already talked about a national identification database for Muslims living in the US. Next, will be him issuing a policy statement that merely keeping Muslims out is not enough, and we need to keep all of these “American” Muslims together in one place, so we can keep an eye on them. > > Sort of a series of places where they can all live together - an encampment, so to speak. And he’ll have lots and lots of people who absolutely LOVE this idea. Just think - the Trump International Internment Facility. It’ll be the biggest, most luxurious concentration camp you’ve ever seen! It’s gonna be YUUUUUUUUGE! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/778 "2015-12-08T18:45:58Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > My priority is truth, even when it works against those arguing from “my side of the aisle.” So … > I hate to use the word Nitpick, to mention [the Massacre of about 1,000,000 Armenians or more, along with other Christians, by the Ottoman Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide). > > (But please do quibble with the word choice “conquering and occupying … a nation” to remind me why the SDMB is so unique!) A fair point, septimus; and the Turks’ unwillingness to own up to the genocide is definitely not a point in their favor (albeit the US regarding Native Americans and the Japanese in China in WWII have also had there ‘er’ and ‘um’ moments). But I \*\*\*was \*\*\*careful in choosing my words “conquering and occupying a Christian nation” and Armenia at the time (1914-1918) was a province of the Ottomans, along with other parts of Armenia being occupied by Russia and Persia. Not a nation-state. And I would note that a million Christians \*were living \*in Ottoman (Islamic) lands to be massacred, instead of having been forcibly converted over the centuries. So I think my original rebuttal stands. And to relate it back to the thread; Trump (and a significant number of his fans) know nothing about the long and complex history between Islam and Western Christianity (which doesn’t even begin to get into the story of the eastern Church…) ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/779 "2015-12-08T18:47:20Z")
I can’t put my finger on what exactly Trump’s strategy is. On the heels of what was deemed a pretty weak Obama speech from both sides, Trump immediately pulled all media attention back to himself. He has to have known his remarks would energize a small subset of his base support (whoever that is), but that the rest of the GOP, including other candidates, would speak against him. I have to assume that’s exactly what he wanted, but I don’t know why. Frankly, I think Cruz had the best response. I disagree with the proposal, let’s move on. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/780 "2015-12-08T18:47:37Z")
Just saw an interview with Lindsey Graham on CNN. The money quote was near the end: “You want to know how to make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell.” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/781 "2015-12-08T18:51:25Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > From the remarks I am reading your thinking seems to be 6-7 years behind us in the U.K. 6-7 years ago in the U.K. we have a group called the E.D.L. warning us about the growth of Islam within the U.K. Warning who about what, exactly? And how about spelling E.D.L. out at least one time, eh? > [@](#): > > the result was a smear campaign led by a left wing government shouting racism, Islamophobia, religious hatred etc. sadly the claims by the E.D.L. have been proved correct in several court cases, another group Faith Freedom International a group founded by ex-Muslims have been issuing the same warnings. What was taken to court, exactly, and what specific claims were “proven correct”? This is all impossibly vague. > [@](#): > > The U.S.A. has likened the U.K. to a Islamic aircraft carrier of the coast of mainline Europe. No it bloody well hasn’t. Maybe some dumbass or other in the USA has said something like that at some point; I wouldn’t know. > [@](#): > > History books are fine and they can be useful in helping us not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Just as an exercise try using the word Nazi instead of Islamism, all the same intolerance and hatred is there. The attacks are not only on Christians have a look at the suffering of Sikh’s, Hindu’s and Buddhist’s at the hands of Islam Fair enough. How about you try using the word ‘Nazi’ instead of ‘Trump’; all of the same intolerance and hatred is there, is it not? Lastly, just saying, here, it’s “Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists”. Save the apostrophes for possessives, or the terrorists have won. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/782 "2015-12-08T18:52:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Just think - the Trump International Internment Facility. It’ll be the biggest, most luxurious concentration camp you’ve ever seen! It’s gonna be YUUUUUUUUGE! Hey, finally, something to do with all that abandoned real estate in Atlantic City!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=40)