# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/923 "2015-12-10T19:09:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sure sounds like ‘pending development’ to me. Sure sounds like spin doctoring to me. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/924 "2015-12-10T19:11:00Z")
So because you people merely presuppose Trump will ban Muslims forever more it gives you free license to present it as fact? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/925 "2015-12-10T19:19:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So because you people merely presuppose Trump will ban Muslims forever more it gives you free license to present it as fact? In case you forgot, banning Muslims from entering America for _a day_ is repugnant. Maybe in your starry-eyed adoration of El-Trumptard, you’ve lost sight of that. Also, I have no idea how long he’d ban Muslims for. That’s the problem with electing a fucking moron. Fucking morons are unpredictable. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/926 "2015-12-10T19:30:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So because you people merely presuppose Trump will ban Muslims forever more it gives you free license to present it as fact? We are taking it as _fact_ that he is in favor of banning all members of a particular religion indefinitely. Are you? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/927 "2015-12-10T19:30:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > He merely wants a moritorium on Muslim immigration pending development of a sufficient way to vet them for terrorists. :dubious: Merely. Hah. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/928 "2015-12-10T19:37:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We are taking it as _fact_ that he is in favor of banning all members of a particular religion indefinitely. > Are you? If you read his exact words, he was calling for a ban “until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.” It might be reasonable to interpret that as “indefinitely,” but there’s also an argument for declaring at any point that that particular condition has been met. Like most of the nonsense that he spews, it is crafted to say nothing while implying a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/929 "2015-12-10T19:39:11Z")
I don’t have any difficulty believing 1 will =0 eons before Trump would decide any given vetting process sufficiently identifies terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/930 "2015-12-10T19:41:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Everyone with half a brain knows terrorists are working to infiltrate their numbers to gain entry to the U.S. to commit acts of terror. Then why don’t we just ban the immigration of terrorists? Banning all Muslims from immigration because many terrorists are Muslim makes about as sense as banning all males from immigration because many of the terrorists are male. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/931 "2015-12-10T19:52:19Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t have any difficulty believing 1 will =0 eons before Trump would decide any given vetting process sufficiently identifies terrorists. Yes, but it’s never going to be up to Trump, even if he (gods forbid) were to become president. The problem isn’t what he says; anyone who actually has a say in policy knows it’s nonsense. It’s the hatred he is fanning and encouraging to come out into the open. America has gotten much uglier in just one week. I shudder to think what will follow. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/932 "2015-12-10T20:04:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > For crying out loud, Trump isn’t “banning” Muslims! He merely wants a moritorium on Muslim immigration pending development of a sufficient way to vet them for terrorists. He doesn’t want to just immigration, he wants to also ban visits. The 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants. Then there is the slight problem that terrorists might possibly lie about their religion. So, you can ban all Arab-looking people. But Pakistanis and Indians look pretty much the same, so you can ban all the Indians also. And there are plenty of Muslims in Africa, so we had better ban anyone black. And there are Muslims in Indonesia, of course, and even China. Ban them. Can the customs officials really tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese people? Thought not. Ban anyone Asian. That just leaves white Europeans. And Latin America, but Trump is already banning them. But we then have Chechens. Better ban Europeans also, just to be safe. Hell with the wall between us and Mexico, we had better build a wall everywhere. Maybe he can get the Saudis to pay for it. You’re right though that he doesn’t want to ban Muslims already here. Just track them. ---
**Author:** ![yawuntz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a5b964/32.png) [@yawuntz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yawuntz)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/933 "2015-12-10T20:06:28Z")
Sounds like he doesn’t want to ban them permanently, just until we can figure out what’s going on. That shouldn’t take too long, with the top people on it, right?\* We need to stop Muslims from entering the country until we “find out what the hell is going on,” Trump said. “[…] it’s a subject that has to be discussed. […] Why is there such hatred and such viciousness? Why is there somebody willing to fly planes into the World Trade Center and go after it even prior to that? […] Where does this hatred come from? Why does it come? We have to figure it out. We have a problem. […] We have to find out where does this hatred come from. But it seems to come from one group.”\* So that’s pretty straightforward: why do they hate us? Once we’ve got that figured out (turns out it wasn’t really because they hate our freedoms, more’s the pity - if that’s all it was we could have simply sold out our freedoms, and everything would be hunky-dory again - like before), then we can let them all back in…the good ones. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/934 "2015-12-10T20:10:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s perfectly reasonable to assess threats coming into the country and take steps to prevent them. It’s not like we’re uprooting them from their homes and friends and jobs and fencing them in like we did the Japanese 70 years ago, we merely want to weed out those who would do us harm as best we can before they have a chance to do so. That and worse is going to happen if Operation Wetback II is activated as Trump wants it. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > If you don’t give a shit about invading terrorists then come out and say so, but knock it off with this idiotic crap and hysteria about Trump wanting to “ban” Muslims. Let the Champ give that a right hook to the kisser… [QUOTE=Muhammad Ali] “Presidential Candidates Proposing to Ban Muslim Immigration to the United States.” I am a Muslim and there is nothing Islamic about killing innocent people in Paris, San Bernardino, or anywhere else in the world. True Muslims know that the ruthless violence of so called Islamic Jihadists goes against the very tenets of our religion. We as Muslims have to stand up to those who use Islam to advance their own personal agenda. They have alienated many from learning about Islam. True Muslims know or should know that it goes against our religion to try and force Islam on anybody. Speaking as someone who has never been accused of political correctness, I believe that our political leaders should use their position to bring understanding about the religion of Islam and clarify that these misguided murderers have perverted people’s views on what Islam really is [/QUOTE] One should notice here that Trump was given an award in person by Muhhamed Ali a few years back and Trump just recently told us that he could not remember any great American muslim sportsman. Sounds like a pattern, that he has shown with Univision reporters or many other inconvenient facts. Trump is showing signs of dementia… or he is just a bigoted asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/935 "2015-12-10T20:11:55Z")
> [@yawuntz](#): > > Sounds like he doesn’t want to ban them permanently, just until we can figure out what’s going on. That shouldn’t take too long, with the top people on it, right?\* With Republicans in charge of Congress, unbanning them doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in the Senate - Inhofe’s office, to be exact. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/936 "2015-12-10T20:12:24Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Yes, but it’s never going to be up to Trump, even if he (gods forbid) were to become president. The problem isn’t what he says; anyone who actually has a say in policy knows it’s nonsense. It’s the hatred he is fanning and encouraging to come out into the open. America has gotten much uglier in just one week. I shudder to think what will follow. I don’t know. My rep Erik Paulsen said very similar things when asked about the process for settling Syrian refugees in America. Trump may have more supporters in the other branches than we’d like to think. I agree that the hatred is ugly and it makes me quite sad to see americans embracing ideals that I feel mock the foundational truths of our country. ---
**Author:** ![aaelghat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@aaelghat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaelghat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/937 "2015-12-10T20:15:12Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Jesus asks Christians to tell people the good news, we are then told to allow them to make their own mind up, we are told to love them not to threaten them. A massive difference between Christianity and Islam > > Have you read the Quran so that you can make a true comparssion I live in the US, but go back to Egypt every year. All my relatives are Muslim - I think you would enjoy meeting any of them. They go to the mosque every Friday, say Ameen (Amen) at the end of the service and shake hands with their neighbor just like you do at Church. It’s an inclusive “feel good” environment, and my relatives are charitable, giving, and are the furthest thing from extremist or violent. To your point about loving other religions, not threaten, I can tell you that in Islam, Jesus (and the other prophets) are held in high regard. Miriam is a popular name with Muslims (indeed - I have two nieces named that), and is the Arabic form for Mary (Magdalene). To your point, all the religious books are intolerant. Portions of the Old Testament are violent and intolerant. It’s part of the Bible. You can’t disavow it’s link to Christianity because it is inconvenient. By the same token, you can cherry-pick the violent parts of the Koran, or you can cherry-pick the parts that hold other God-centered religions in high regard. During the Egyptian revolution, Muslims stood in a circle around the Churches on Sunday to protect them, as did the Christians around some Mosques on Friday. The evening news in Egypt talks about the deaths in the various middle-east countries from people in the region that died because of terrorism or fighting terrorists. My relatives and acquaintances in Egypt don’t see themselves in that violence, just like you don’t see yourself in the Christian Planned Parenthood shooter, or in any of the violent shootings in the US committed by people who happen to be Christians. The Islam practiced by extremists is seen as a perversion of Islam, just like Christian Extremists can’t in good conscious be called true Christian. ---
**Author:** ![yawuntz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a5b964/32.png) [@yawuntz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yawuntz)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/938 "2015-12-10T20:17:02Z")
Pretty sure Inhofe’s got a refrigerator full of snowballs 😃 But yeah it’ll only be temporary, for sure, like taxes : ) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/939 "2015-12-10T22:01:35Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t know. My rep Erik Paulsen said very similar things when asked about the process for settling Syrian refugees in America. Trump may have more supporters in the other branches than we’d like to think. > > I agree that the hatred is ugly… It isn’t fucking hatred. What the hell is wrong with you people? If not for illegal immigration and terrorism you wouldn’t be hearing anything from Trump on either Hispanics or Muslims. He thinks people should obey the law and he wants to protect American citizens from harm. These are actually eumerated as official duties of the presidency, are they not? I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live tobe a thousand years old. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/940 "2015-12-10T22:09:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It isn’t fucking hatred. What the hell is wrong with you people? If not for illegal immigration and terrorism you wouldn’t be hearing anything from Trump on either Hispanics or Muslims. He thinks people should obey the law and he wants to protect American citizens from harm. These are actually eumerated as official duties of the presidency, are they not? > > I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live tobe a thousand years old. Killing all Muslims might lessen the chance of terrorist attacks and protect Americans. Why don’t you support that? What the hell is wrong with you? EDIT: Obviously I’m not serious (so I’ll save you the need to be indignant). The answer is “because it would be monstrous and incredible overkill”. Thus you can see the answer to why many liberals oppose banning Muslims from entering the country – because it would be monstrous (if less monstrous then killing them) and incredible overkill. Also, it would make the vast majority of Muslims who _don’t want to kill us_ less favorably inclined to cooperate, and we need their help to fight terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/941 "2015-12-10T22:12:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It isn’t fucking hatred. What the hell is wrong with you people? If not for illegal immigration and terrorism you wouldn’t be hearing anything from Trump on either Hispanics or Muslims. He thinks people should obey the law and he wants to protect American citizens from harm. These are actually eumerated as official duties of the presidency, are they not? > > I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live tobe a thousand years old. IMO he wants to play to angry, fearful people like your fine self, and is doing quite well in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/942 "2015-12-10T22:18:36Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > He thinks people should obey the law and he wants to protect American citizens from harm. How will banning Muslim immigration protect Americans from harm? Have there been a lot of terrorist acts committed by Muslim immigrants? > [@](#): > > I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live tobe a thousand years old. Unlike you, I understand the conservative mind all too well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=48)