# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/943 "2015-12-10T22:19:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It isn’t fucking hatred. What the hell is wrong with you people? If not for illegal immigration and terrorism you wouldn’t be hearing anything from Trump on either Hispanics or Muslims. He thinks people should obey the law and he wants to protect American citizens from harm. These are actually eumerated as official duties of the presidency, are they not? > > I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live tobe a thousand years old. Not only is it un-American, not only is it morally wrong, it also makes the US LESS safe than before. If this came to be, our relations with Muslim nations would go in the toilet. ISIS recruiting would skyrocket. Muslims around the world would be far less inclined to report suspicious activity among their number. What the fuck is wrong with Republicans? A couple dozen schoolkids get slaughtered in class and you do absolutely nothing. Now if a Muslim does something you go fucking apeshit. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/944 "2015-12-10T22:20:54Z")
If you want to defend what Trump is saying [you stand in good company](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/945 "2015-12-10T22:24:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Killing all Muslims might lessen the chance of terrorist attacks and protect Americans. Why don’t you support that? What the hell is wrong with you? > > EDIT: Obviously I’m not serious (so I’ll save you the need to be indignant). The answer is “because it would be monstrous and incredible overkill”. Thus you can see the answer to why many liberals oppose banning Muslims from entering the country – because it would be monstrous (if less monstrous then killing them) and incredible overkill. Also, it would make the vast majority of Muslims who _don’t want to kill us_ less favorably inclined to cooperate, and we need their help to fight terrorism. Might lessen it? I’d say it would eliminate something like 99.9% of the world’s terror attacks. But I don’t support it because I’m guided by common sense and discernment. I can recognize that it’s far better to simply let people who almost certainly have anti-American terrorists in their midst temporarily stay where they are, as opposed to killing million upon millions of innocent men, women and children only to find that they both produce essentially the same result - keeping terrorists from immigrating in groups of asylum seekers. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/946 "2015-12-10T22:28:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Might lessen it? I’d say it would eliminate something like 99.9% of the world’s terror attacks. > > But I don’t support it because I’m guided by common sense and discernment. I can recognize that it’s far better to simply let people who almost certainly have anti-American terrorists in their midst temporarily stay where they are, as opposed to killing million upon millions of innocent men, women and children only to find that they both produce essentially the same result - keeping terrorists from immigrating in groups of asylum seekers. I’m also guided by common sense and discernment, and this common sense and discernment drives my opposition to banning Muslims from entering the country. First, because it’s monstrous and would overwhelmingly harm decent people, and second, because we need the cooperation of peaceful Muslims (i.e. most Muslims) to fight terrorism, and such action would make many of them less likely to be favorably inclined to cooperate with us. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/947 "2015-12-10T22:32:22Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > If you want to defend what Trump is saying [you stand in good company](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620). Even worse, [Palin agrees.](http://www.newser.com/story/217331/guess-who-agrees-with-trumps-muslim-ban.html) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/948 "2015-12-10T22:35:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m also guided by common sense and discernment, and this common sense and discernment drives my opposition to banning Muslims from entering the country. First, because it’s monstrous and would overwhelmingly harm decent people, and second, because we need the cooperation of peaceful Muslims (i.e. most Muslims) to fight terrorism, and such action would make many of them less likely to be favorably inclined to cooperate with us. Not banned, delayed. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/949 "2015-12-10T22:37:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Might lessen it? I’d say it would eliminate something like 99.9% of the world’s terror attacks. > > But I don’t support it because I’m guided by common sense and discernment. I can recognize that it’s far better to simply let people who almost certainly have anti-American terrorists in their midst temporarily stay where they are, as opposed to killing million upon millions of innocent men, women and children only to find that they both produce essentially the same result - keeping terrorists from immigrating in groups of asylum seekers. Right - because the terrorists can’t afford an airline ticket, and because the terrorists are too stupid to say they are Christian. Or Jewish. Not only is Trump’s idea immoral, it doesn’t even work. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/950 "2015-12-10T22:38:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not banned, delayed. Until a nebulously defined goal (“figure out what the hell is going on!”) is reached. Potato, potahto. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/951 "2015-12-10T22:39:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Might lessen it? I’d say it would eliminate something like 99.9% of the world’s terror attacks. > > But I don’t support it because I’m guided by common sense and discernment. I can recognize that it’s far better to simply let people who almost certainly have anti-American terrorists in their midst temporarily stay where they are, as opposed to killing million upon millions of innocent men, women and children only to find that they both produce essentially the same result - keeping terrorists from immigrating in groups of asylum seekers. So, after considering an alternative that all but an inhuman monster would reject anyway, you have come out in enthusiastic favor of a ludicrously vague ‘plan’ that would ban travel to the US of a significant percentage of the world’s population, with all the attendant economic and social disruption this would entail (including, no doubt, retaliatory banning of travel by American citizens), all to maybe prevent the entry into the country of a few dozen terrorists that _you are not sure even exist_, and all to reduce by some small increment the abject fear you have of a risk that is very near the bottom of all the bad things that could ever happen to you. “Common sense and discernment.” Yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![yawuntz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a5b964/32.png) [@yawuntz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yawuntz)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/952 "2015-12-10T22:40:25Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Until a nebulously defined goal (“figure out what the hell is going on!”) is reached. > > Potato, potahto. What about those crack researchers checking out Obama’s birth certificate in Hawaii? Could they get on it when we hear back from them? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/953 "2015-12-10T22:48:39Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, after considering an alternative that all but an inhuman monster would reject anyway, you have come out in enthusiastic favor of a ludicrously vague ‘plan’ that would ban travel to the US of a significant percentage of the world’s population, with all the attendant economic and social disruption this would entail (including, no doubt, retaliatory banning of travel by American citizens), all to maybe prevent the entry into the country of a few dozen terrorists that _you are not sure even exist_, and all to reduce by some small increment the abject fear you have of a risk that is very near the bottom of all the bad things that could ever happen to you. > > “Common sense and discernment.” Yeah, right. Just imagine what this would do to gas prices. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/954 "2015-12-10T22:54:44Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > He doesn’t want to just immigration, he wants to also ban visits. The 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants. > Then there is the slight problem that terrorists might possibly lie about their religion. So, you can ban all Arab-looking people. But Pakistanis and Indians look pretty much the same, so you can ban all the Indians also. And there are plenty of Muslims in Africa, so we had better ban anyone black. And there are Muslims in Indonesia, of course, and even China. Ban them. Can the customs officials really tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese people? Thought not. Ban anyone Asian. > That just leaves white Europeans. And Latin America, but Trump is already banning them. But we then have Chechens. Better ban Europeans also, just to be safe. > Hell with the wall between us and Mexico, we had better build a wall everywhere. Maybe he can get the Saudis to pay for it. > > You’re right though that he doesn’t want to ban Muslims already here. Just track them. Did you know that there are Muslims in Canada. I know, I was shocked too. You need two walls. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/955 "2015-12-10T22:58:22Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Did you know that there are Muslims in Canada. I know, I was shocked too. > > You need two walls. Don’t forget that all of us dual citizens and children of illegal immigrants need to have our American citizenship stripped and be deported. ---
**Author:** ![Poto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@Poto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poto)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/956 "2015-12-10T23:00:31Z")
Are you a muslim? No, I am an atheist. In Iran? Yes. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/957 "2015-12-10T23:08:42Z")
> [@Poto](#): > > Are you a muslim? > No, I am an atheist. > In Iran? > Yes. > Good luck with that. Yeah, 'cause Iranian terrorists have just been waltzing into the US like they own the place. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/958 "2015-12-10T23:10:56Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Just imagine what this would do to gas prices. You may be on to something. I wonder, does Mr. Trump have any holdings in oil and gas stocks? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/959 "2015-12-10T23:25:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Might lessen it? I’d say it would eliminate something like 99.9% of the world’s terror attacks. > **[The number of terrorists who are actually Muslims will surprise you](https://metro.co.uk/2015/01/15/the-number-of-terrorists-who-are-actually-religiously-motivated-will-surprise-you-5023616/)** > > The world was shocked at the Charlie Hebdo attacks last week, but which group poses the biggest threat? > [@](#): > > According to statistics from Europol, less than two per cent of all recorded acts of terror were perpetrated with religious motivations, with an even smaller number being committed by Muslim extremists. > > Estimates suggest only around two per cent of all terrorist attacks were committed by Islamic groups or individuals. > > Read more: [The number of terrorists who are actually Muslim or religiously motivated will surprise you | Metro News](http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/15/the-number-of-terrorists-who-are-actually-religiously-motivated-will-surprise-you-5023616/#ixzz3txnXBfTL) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/960 "2015-12-10T23:58:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not banned, delayed. Like the interned Japanese were just delayed from returning to their homes, right? They eventually got there, so everything was a-okay! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/961 "2015-12-11T00:26:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Like the interned Japanese were just delayed from returning to their homes, right? Q. Can we voluntarily cross the ocean and seek asylum in your country? vs: Q. Can we go back to our homes and lives that you forced us to leave before you essentially imprisoned here? So no, not remotely the same. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/962 "2015-12-11T00:30:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Q. Can we voluntarily cross the ocean and seek asylum in your country? > > vs: > > Q. Can we go back to our homes and lives that you forced us to leave before you essentially imprisoned here? > > So no, not remotely the same. Just like Jim Crow laws – black people were just delayed their voting rights. No big deal. For more, see “How to use the word ‘delay’ to downplay terrible things for fun and profit!”, by **Starving Artist**! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=49)