# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/963 "2015-12-11T00:35:47Z")
Delaying entry to large groups of asylum seekers accompanied by unknown numbers of people whose main purpose in life is to kill as many Americans as possible is hardly a terrible thing. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/964 "2015-12-11T00:40:40Z")
Strikes me as odd that its the internment of Japanese Americans that is so often lighted upon is a precedent. Rather than the mass roundup earlier on… > [@](#): > > …During the 1930s and into the 1940s, up to 2 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were deported or expelled from cities and towns across the U.S. and shipped to Mexico. According to some estimates, more than half of these people were U.S. citizens, born in the United States… > **[Mass Deportation May Sound Unlikely, But It's Happened Before](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/09/08/437579834/mass-deportation-may-sound-unlikely-but-its-happened-before)** > > During the Great Depression, up to 2 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were expelled from the U.S. Research suggests that more than half were U.S.-born citizens. It was “repatriation”. Mmm, yes. Quite. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/965 "2015-12-11T00:49:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Delaying entry to large groups of asylum seekers accompanied by unknown numbers of people whose main purpose in life is to kill as many Americans as possible is hardly a terrible thing. I find spreading blind fear and hatred just to get votes to be a terrible thing…but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/966 "2015-12-11T00:49:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Delaying entry to large groups of asylum seekers accompanied by unknown numbers of people whose main purpose in life is to kill as many Americans as possible is hardly a terrible thing. The terrible thing is that we only show cowardice and bigotry to the world. And for no good reason based on the data and the current vetting. Others can do it and do not listen to the cowards and bigots that are recommending you to continue with that sad “logic”. > **['Welcome To Canada': Syrian Refugees Begin To Arrive](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/10/459234205/welcome-to-canada-first-syrian-refugees-begin-to-arrive)** > > The new Canadian government wants to resettle 25,000 Syrians by the end of February. Most are currently living in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. > [@](#): > > Bringing Syrian refugees to the U.S. has become an especially contentious issue. In Canada, however, they’re being welcomed with open arms. > > Roughly 600 Syrians from refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon will arrive by plane in Canada this evening. They’re the first of 25,000 Syrians the new Canadian government wants to resettle by the end of February. > > … > > All the Syrians to be resettled in Canada will have been chosen by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Most are currently living in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. The refugees will go through various levels of screening, including by Canadian immigration and security officials, before getting on a plane to Canada. > > Most of the refugees will be women, children, elderly people, families and those with injuries or medical conditions. Canadian officials say unaccompanied young men will have to wait, for now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/967 "2015-12-11T00:50:36Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Delaying entry to large groups of asylum seekers accompanied by unknown numbers of people whose main purpose in life is to kill as many Americans as possible is hardly a terrible thing. That’s pretty bad, but banning entry to all the members of an entire religion is even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/968 "2015-12-11T00:50:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Delaying entry to large groups of asylum seekers accompanied by unknown numbers of people whose main purpose in life is to kill as many Americans as possible is hardly a terrible thing. Yes, but what are we doing about all the vampires that are coming in alongside the tourists from Sweden? Or the werewolves that pilot planes for foreign airlines? They’re scary imaginary dangers, too! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/969 "2015-12-11T00:54:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Delaying entry to large groups of asylum seekers accompanied by unknown numbers of people whose main purpose in life is to kill as many Americans as possible is hardly a terrible thing. How about just mothers with children, then, maybe their grannies too? Or do you need time to buy more ammo? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/970 "2015-12-11T00:55:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Delaying entry to large groups of asylum seekers accompanied by unknown numbers of people whose main purpose in life is to kill as many Americans as possible is hardly a terrible thing. What do you know about what these refugees have to go through to get to this country? Show me how easy it is for a terrorist to slip through the vetting process. Show me you aren’t just talking out your ass when you claim that we have something real to fear. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/971 "2015-12-11T01:35:43Z")
Certainement! > [@](#): > > Sunday’s revelation that at least one of the Paris terrorists who killed more than 120 people on Friday entered Europe as just another face in the crowd – embedded in the current wave of Syrian war refugees. [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/972 "2015-12-11T01:38:27Z")
From [CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/): Number of Americans killed in terrorist attacks 2001-2013 (combined domestic and foreign locations): 2001: 2990 2002: 42 2003: 35 2004: 74 2005: 56 2006: 28 2007: 19 2008: 35 2009: 27 2010: 16 2011: 19 2012: 18 2013: 21 Total: 3380 Total US gun deaths, same period: 406,496 (not to rehash the endless gun debate; just provided for perspective). 1. The terrorist death statistics come primarily from just 14 incidents (9/11/01 of course being by far the largest contributor); of those 14, only five or six (again including 9/11) could be fairly said to be related to Islamic extremism. 2. At any point during the past decade and a half, Islamic extremist groups have been motivated to create havoc in the US, and could have been getting terrorists into the US. Where are they? Why haven’t they struck? What is so very special about late 2015 that we absolutely must put a blanket ban…er, _delay_, on the eligibility of more than a billion people to come to the US? Believe me, I do not discount the disproportionate impact of 9/11 on these statistics. Measures have long been in place, however, that would make exceedingly difficult to pull off such an operation again. Likewise, I was actually in the Paris area on November 13, and most of the attacks were within a mile or so of where I used to live on the Rue Chateau-Landon. I don’t discount the havoc caused there either, but the brutal fact is, neither the Paris attacks nor the one in San Bernardino required fake ‘asylum seekers’ to accomplish. Sorry, I simply don’t see a need for the sort of draconian measures that Mr. Trump and his tireless cheerleader **Starving Artist** advocate. I think I’m pretty much done here. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/973 "2015-12-11T01:42:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Certainement! > > [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/) Not the American system, and not the Canadian for that matter, as I pointed before one big factor for the failure was that Greece is on an economic crisis that it made the vetting of the refugees in Greece to not be adequate at all. Again, this is only fear mongering by comparing the American system with one that was broken by a couple of crises. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/974 "2015-12-11T01:53:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Certainement! > > [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/) I believe you are a bit behind on the news: [[Quote=Latintimes.com](http://Quote=Latintimes.com)] Security Experts Suggest Syrian Passport Found Near Paris Suicide Bomber Was Meant To Stoke Fear Of Refugees [/quote] > **[Security Experts Suggest Syrian Passport Found Near Paris Suicide Bomber Was...](https://www.latintimes.com/security-experts-suggest-syrian-passport-found-near-paris-suicide-bomber-was-meant-354476)** > > Does ISIS want the West to fear Syrian refugees after the Paris attacks? If they do, mission accomplished. Careful, there’s an obnoxious ad with sound at the link. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/975 "2015-12-11T02:41:34Z")
Some Republican politicians are defending Muslims and religious liberty for non-Christians. Trump is a miracle worker. What’s the old line? Trump isn’t a fascist, but he’s the number one pick for fascists? Could be a bumper sticker. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I find spreading blind fear and hatred just to get votes to be a terrible thing…but that’s just me. That’s democracy for you. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Not only is it un-American, not only is it morally wrong, it also makes the US LESS safe than before. Muslims wouldn’t be able to attack America if they were all banned, so the logic checks out. Embassies and tourist areas popular with Americans, maybe a problem. > [@](#): > > If this came to be, our relations with Muslim nations would go in the toilet. ISIS recruiting would skyrocket. Muslims around the world would be far less inclined to report suspicious activity among their number. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but don’t you find that logic a problem if one wants to defend Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/976 "2015-12-11T02:48:37Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I believe you are a bit behind on the news: > > [Security Experts Suggest Syrian Passport Found Near Paris Suicide Bomber Was Meant To Stoke Fear Of Refugees](http://www.latintimes.com/security-experts-suggest-syrian-passport-found-near-paris-suicide-bomber-was-meant-354476) > > Careful, there’s an obnoxious ad with sound at the link. Okay, so they suggest it. Which to me says it may or may not be true. Still, ISIS has been quite open about their intent to infiltrate refugee ranks and I can’t imagine why they and any number of other terrorist crackpots wouldn’t try this and any number of other ways to gain entry into the U.S. So what possible sense does it make to ignore the threat and let just anyone and everyone into the country, especially when you factor in that the more easily it becomes possible to infiltrate the U.S., the more will try…and succeed. If it’s all the same to you I’d like to try as hard as possible to commit another 9/11 or worse, and the more we ignore the danger the more we make such a tragedy both likely and possible. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/977 "2015-12-11T03:25:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Certainement! > > [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/) Fail. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/978 "2015-12-11T03:27:21Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Some Republican politicians are defending Muslims and religious liberty for non-Christians. Trump is a miracle worker. What’s the old line? Trump isn’t a fascist, but he’s the number one pick for fascists? Could be a bumper sticker. > ? Thus my argument that having a candidate espouse such controversial ideas is good for us. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/979 "2015-12-11T03:31:04Z")
[Quote=Starving Artist] If it’s all the same to you I’d like to try as hard as possible to commit another 9/11 or worse… [/Quote] Don’t move. I’m dialing the FBI right now. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/980 "2015-12-11T03:48:47Z")
Hah! Fucked that right up, I did. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/981 "2015-12-11T04:30:03Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > I’m not saying you’re wrong, but don’t you find that logic a problem if one wants to defend Muslims? Why? There’s nothing anti-Muslim about saying that implementing openly bigoted and tyrannically oppressive Islamophobic policies would tend to alienate Muslims. Implementing openly bigoted and tyrannically oppressive policies against **any** racial or religious group will tend to alienate members of that group. If **you** had good reason to believe that reporting your neighbor’s potentially suspicious behavior to the authorities would probably get your ass summarily arrested and indefinitely detained with occasional waterboarding on the nebulous grounds that you might possibly be an accessory to some possibly nefarious plot, **you** ’d be a hell of a lot less inclined to report suspicious activity too. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/982 "2015-12-11T04:56:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s a pretty awful thing, but I bet that you live to see that change. You will not live to see the Islamic world moderate absent a cataclysmic event. Such processes take many generations. Getting a religion to change ONE aspect of its faith is a much easier haul. Islam has to reform how it treats women, how it treats non-believers, how it treats apostates, how it treats gays, and whether it can accept free and open debate. It’s about where the Christian world was in the 1200s. > > I’d also note that ONLY CHristian nations recognize gay marriage. And it’s not as if there aren’t wealthy, fairly liberal non-Christian nations that could have by now. When you’re right, you’re right. > [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Media ought to change how they cover him by not covering him at all. It will never happen, but not giving him the attention he is so obviously seeking out would be the best way to knock him down. We’ve been talking about how Trump’s proposals are un-American; I think it’s only fair to point out that yours is un-American as well. He is getting huge crowds and big poll numbers, so he merits coverage. Just like George Wallace did, and just like Ronald Reagan did. > [@Voyager](#): > > But the reason Christians are now tolerant is the increasing secularization of Western nations, not anything that Jesus said. I don’t see where you got the idea that I was crediting Jesus for the difference. After all, I said that Christian nations in the past were just as bad as Muslim nations are now. It’s just a different stage of social development. [Edited to add: and I myself am not a Christian, just to be clear. I am an atheist.] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=50)