# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1043 "2015-12-14T04:26:40Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Trump comes from a better country, so he hasn’t had the opportunity to act quite the same ways. I see no evidence that there is anything, anything at all, to commend in his own _person_. Destroying the Establishment Republican plans to coronate Jeb/Walker/Rubio and exposing the fraud that is mainstream conservatism are very commendable things in my opinion. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Trump has yet to hold the level of power and authority over a country that the Saudi royal family has, so we do not know what he he would do with such power and authority. You cannot say that he is better. At best, you can say that he is weaker. We do have an idea of what Trump would do given political power-namely his policy statements. And none of what he has said are remotely equivalent to perpetuating theocratic absolute monarchy with beheadings for dozens of offences. > [@septimus](#): > > Are all of Cheney’s distant cousins guilty of war crimes if they don’t speak out against him? > > Heck, I have a cousin who posts right-wing idiocies on Facebook and I don’t even speak out against him. The difference is that 1) by virtue of being a member of royalty he has political authority and influence as well and 2) his made statements condemning the intolerance of others-namely Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1044 "2015-12-14T05:29:35Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I do find it amusing that suddenly its become a controversial thing to assert that on the balance that Donald Trump is a better person than a member of the Saudi royal family. You called someone a “creature” based purely on their ancestry, rather than anything they personally have done. I think I see why the Donald’s policies have appeal for you. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1045 "2015-12-14T05:50:35Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > You called someone a “creature” based purely on their ancestry, rather than anything they personally have done. I think I see why the Donald’s policies have appeal for you. Not because of his ancestry but because of his continued uncritical membership in one of the largest criminal organizations in the world, otherwise known as the Saudi royal family. If I condemned a member of the Mob, I’m not condemning his ancestry much less his ethnicity but his membership in the Mob even if its often influenced by heredity. Not to mention that I’m a social democrat for whom TRUMP’s appeal is purely strategic. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1046 "2015-12-14T06:12:30Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Not because of his ancestry but because of his continued uncritical membership in one of the largest criminal organizations in the world, otherwise known as the Saudi royal family. This “creature” is a moderate who’s called for reforms in areas such as elections, women’s role in society, relations with Israel, and other topics right. His dad was previously drummed out of the brownies back in the 60s for similarly calling for elected assemblies. Can I ask just what someone has to do to escape your “uncritical” category, as apparently if you’re not critical enough of the family you’re born into in your world you can classify someone as an animal. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1047 "2015-12-14T06:18:40Z")
Also can I just check if you think the Donald is right to criticise him for using a fortune based on inherited wealth to influence US politics? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1048 "2015-12-14T06:22:47Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > This “creature” is a moderate who’s called for reforms in areas such as elections, women’s role in society, relations with Israel, and other topics right. His dad was previously drummed out of the brownies back in the 60s for similarly calling for elected assemblies. Its quite obvious to most observers that this windows-dressing for his plutocrat friends in the West so that the shareholders don’t complain too much. > [@](#): > > Can I ask just what someone has to do to escape your “uncritical” category, as apparently if you’re not critical enough of the family you’re born into in your world you can classify someone as an animal. Call the Saudi state for what it is-one of the most violently reactionary and theocratic places on Earth and probably one of the few places where I’d find a Bolshevik revolution perfectly justified. Incidentally, as a side note I might say that the Democrats are missing a Yuuge opportunity by not going Joe McCarthy on the Saudi lobby. The Saudi lobby is a big fat juicy target that can attract both liberals (reactionary theocrat monarchs, promotes aggressive anti-Iran foreign policy, Big Oil) and conservatives (funny look Moslem foreigners, subversion of the nation, terrorist ties) and can quickly be extended to target traditional bugbears like the Koch brothers, neocon lobbies, and the like. In doing so, the Democrats can simultaneously take off the pressure on refugees and bring more of them in while literally trumping the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1049 "2015-12-14T06:25:42Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Also can I just check if you think the Donald is right to criticise him for using a fortune based on inherited wealth to influence US politics? I’d rather nobody did but considering the current system especially with Koch Brothers already doing it, I don’t blame him. Its obvious though Trump isn’t solely running on money-he isn’t funding massive tv ad campaigns and instead relies on his tweets and statements to gain publicity and being a billionaire doesn’t automatically make you a population politician (case in point, Steve Forbes)). And even the most repulsive billionaire here using money to influence politics is a whole different animal from a foreign, absolute, theocratic monarchy subverting republican government at home. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1050 "2015-12-14T18:14:47Z")
There’s nothing wrong with using money for speech. Nobody is forced to listen, or believe, the speech. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1051 "2015-12-14T18:16:41Z")
Trump has his biggest lead yet in Monmouth’s [latest poll](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/donald-trump-mentum-monmouth-poll) – he has 41%, 2nd is Cruz at 14%, then Rubio at 10%, and Carson at 9%. This is fun. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1052 "2015-12-14T18:22:18Z")
I am amazed. Trump has been spouting idiotic crap that would’ve sunk overnight Bush in 2004, McCain in 2008 or Romney in 2012. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1053 "2015-12-14T18:35:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trump has his biggest lead yet in Monmouth’s [latest poll](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/donald-trump-mentum-monmouth-poll) – he has 41%, 2nd is Cruz at 14%, then Rubio at 10%, and Carson at 9%. > > This is fun. What’s flabbergasting, as I’ve said before, is that _ **Trump would probably make the best President of any in this sorry list of four!** _ I’ll put Cruz as 2nd-best: Despite his bat-shit idealogy at least he seems to be an intelligent guy, while Rubio has no qualifications but good looks, prevarication, and hackery. Rubio would be putty in the hands of his Koch controllers. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1054 "2015-12-14T18:47:41Z")
I’m expecting some serious fireworks in tomorrow night’s debate. Time’s running out and there are a lot of candidates desperate for some attention. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1055 "2015-12-14T18:51:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trump has his biggest lead yet in Monmouth’s [latest poll](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/donald-trump-mentum-monmouth-poll) – he has 41%, 2nd is Cruz at 14%, then Rubio at 10%, and Carson at 9%. > > This is fun. I wouldn’t call it fun. The only one of the four who is even remotely qualified would be Rubio, and even then he’s just a stooge of the Kochs. Cruz and Trump are just bombastic blowhards and Carson I believe took too many samples from his medication locker at work. 64% of Republicans support someone completely unqualified for the office. That isn’t fun, it’s scary. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1056 "2015-12-14T19:15:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I wouldn’t call it fun. The only one of the four who is even remotely qualified would be Rubio, and even then he’s just a stooge of the Kochs. Cruz and Trump are just bombastic blowhards and Carson I believe took too many samples from his medication locker at work. 64% of Republicans support someone completely unqualified for the office. That isn’t fun, it’s scary. Quit trying to ruin my fun. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1057 "2015-12-14T19:15:45Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I wouldn’t call it fun. The only one of the four who is even remotely qualified would be Rubio, and even then he’s just a stooge of the Kochs. Cruz and Trump are just bombastic blowhards and Carson I believe took too many samples from his medication locker at work. 64% of Republicans support someone completely unqualified for the office. That isn’t fun, it’s scary. From north of the border, clutching my Canadian passport, it’s fun.\* When I consider my family and friends in the US, it’s scary. \*Though I realize that Canada’s fortunes closely follow America’s, and a bad government there is bad for people here. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1058 "2015-12-14T19:21:31Z")
Yeah, it’s bad. As a brown person with a British passport I will have to give serious consideration to getting the fuck out of here if Trump wins. Not in protest or anything, just because I’d be afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1059 "2015-12-14T19:25:20Z")
Don’t say that too loudly. That’s what his supporters want. That’s why _my_ plan for Trump winning is to immediately convert to Islam, start tithing 10% to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and use my drone to drop water and food supplies to people crossing the Mexican border. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1060 "2015-12-14T19:33:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The only one of the four who is even remotely qualified would be Rubio, and even then he’s just a stooge of the Kochs. 😕 What are Rubio’s qualifications? He’s a first-term Senator, with zero executive experience, and zero private-sector experience. His only demonstrated talents are prevarication and fund-raising. And some people view him as qualified for President. :smack: What am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1061 "2015-12-14T19:37:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 What are Rubio’s qualifications? He’s a first-term Senator, with zero executive experience, and zero private-sector experience. His only demonstrated talents are prevarication and fund-raising. > > And some people view him as qualified for President. :smack: What am I missing? And his fund raising hasn’t been that great either. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1062 "2015-12-14T19:48:31Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Rubio would be putty in the hands of his Koch controllers. :dubious: Trump is on the record of being a climate change denier, so I while the Kochs will not control Trump in all issues, the bottom line of their fossil fuel enterprises will benefit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=54)