# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1163 "2015-12-17T19:01:54Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > The damage has already been done. Please can you guys just cut your losses and peacefully separate into the “United States of Canada” and “Jesusland”. Just don’t let Jesusland get any of the nuclear weapons and we’ll all be sweet. > > [Jesusland map - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map) Unfortunately this plan has the same flaw as the facile plan to split Iraq between Sunnis and Shi’ites. [Here is a finer-grained look at the relationship between American politics and geography.](http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---SkJm7SQ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1857qaput58u3jpg.jpg) BTW, Jesusland is already making plans to arm itself after any split-up. Was it land-locked Jesus-loving Wyoming or land-locked Jesus-loving Montana that almost passed a law planning the acquisition of an aircraft carrier to protect against the Kenyan death squads from the coasts? :eek: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1164 "2015-12-17T19:08:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > BTW, Jesusland is already making plans to arm itself after any split-up. Was it land-locked Jesus-loving Wyoming or land-locked Jesus-loving Montana that almost passed a law planning the acquisition of an aircraft carrier to protect against the Kenyan death squads from the coasts? :eek: :smack: You put wheels on it. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1165 "2015-12-17T19:15:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As a recovering Texan residing in the People’s Republic of Minnesota, I feel your pain. And send you my full and unstinting support from _waaaay_ up here. > > If you decide to flee, just get on Highway 35 North and drive about 24 hours, there is a colony of us here. Warning! There is NO bar-b-q. Just slices of beef in what might as well be spaghetti sauce. Bless their hearts, they don’t know any better… Or… Come out to the coast. We’ll get together, have a few laughs… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1166 "2015-12-17T20:39:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As a recovering Texan residing in the People’s Republic of Minnesota, I feel your pain. And send you my full and unstinting support from _waaaay_ up here. > > If you decide to flee, just get on Highway 35 North and drive about 24 hours, there is a colony of us here. Warning! There is NO bar-b-q. Just slices of beef in what might as well be spaghetti sauce. Bless their hearts, they don’t know any better… Tuna hot dish is the BBQ of Minnesota. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1167 "2015-12-17T21:02:43Z")
Well it seems that Vladimir Putin is [a Trump fan.](http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-very-bright-talented-man-russia-us-presidential-race) [QUOTE=Vladimir Putin] “He is a very bright and talented man, no doubt about that,” said Putin, speaking after his annual press conference in Moscow on Thursday. “He is the absolute leader of the presidential race, as we see it today. He says that he wants to move to another level of relations, to a deeper level of relations with Russia. How can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it.” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1168 "2015-12-17T21:23:48Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > The damage has already been done. Please can you guys just cut your losses and peacefully separate into the “United States of Canada” and “Jesusland”. Just don’t let Jesusland get any of the nuclear weapons and we’ll all be sweet. > [Jesusland map - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map) Why the fuck would I as an American nationalist want to weaken the American state and nation by intentionally dividing it when there’s no serious secessionist movement around? Please realize that by separating you are pretty much screwing over the blacks, the poor, the gays, and others in “Jesusland”. Anyhow as the great Tom Kratman notes [separation won’t work](http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/01/12/politics/breakup-of-united-states-terrible-idea/) because there are large conservative areas in Democratic states and liberal cities in conservative states. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1169 "2015-12-17T21:38:51Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Why the fuck would I as an American nationalist want to weaken the American state and nation by intentionally dividing it when there’s no serious secessionist movement around? Please realize that by separating you are pretty much screwing over the blacks, the poor, the gays, and others in “Jesusland”. > > Anyhow as the great Tom Kratman notes [separation won’t work](http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/01/12/politics/breakup-of-united-states-terrible-idea/) because there are large conservative areas in Democratic states and liberal cities in conservative states. The “great” Tom Kratman? The Rabid Puppy? And a link to [everyjoe.com](http://everyjoe.com)? Well, your recent posts make a lot more sense now. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1170 "2015-12-17T21:47:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > On the other hand, what better candidate to light a fire under the asses of the modestly liberal but unmotivated voter? I don’t know if polling shows this, but my feeling is Trump has pretty good crossover appeal. Maybe second only to Paul. Cruz is the one who would scare libs into voting. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1171 "2015-12-17T21:52:59Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > I don’t know if polling shows this, but my feeling is Trump has pretty good crossover appeal. Maybe second only to Paul. Cruz is the one who would scare libs into voting. I think a lot of liberals just PALATR with Trump, which could lead to underestimating his support. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1172 "2015-12-17T21:59:03Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > The “great” Tom Kratman? The Rabid Puppy? And a link to [everyjoe.com](http://everyjoe.com)? Well, your recent posts make a lot more sense now. I was being sarcastic and I only linked to that particular article because it was the one most directly making my point. Rest assured, my politics remain conventionally paleoliberal. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1173 "2015-12-17T22:16:04Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I think a lot of liberals just \*\*PALATR \*\*with Trump, which could lead to underestimating his support. And PALATR is? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1174 "2015-12-17T22:17:36Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > And PALATR is? Point And Laugh At The Retard. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1175 "2015-12-17T22:20:34Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > And PALATR is? It’s an unconventional but attested spelling of the Middle Welsh word for “spear shaft.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1176 "2015-12-17T22:33:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Point And Laugh At The Retard. Yes. I shouldn’t have used the phrase at all, certainly not without explanation. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1177 "2015-12-17T22:42:41Z")
Thank you both. I coulda urban dictionary-ed it but I wouldn’t have gotten the extra helping of tasty snark. 🙂 (The reason I knew it wasn’t really Welsh is that it has waaay too many vowels to be Welsh. And it’s missing a ‘y’.) And yes, seriously electoral tactics-minded liberals should not underestimate Trump or his followers. Lots of ways this could rise up and bite the PALATR’s in the butt. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1178 "2015-12-17T22:55:11Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > (The reason I knew it wasn’t really Welsh is that it has waaay too many vowels to be Welsh. And it’s missing a ‘y’.) _Paladyr_ is, in fact, the preferred 14th-century spelling. We now return you to our regularly scheduled Trumptastic Trumpalooza. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1179 "2015-12-17T23:09:07Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Point And Laugh At The Retard. Somewhat ironic usage, considering Trump’s anti-PC stance. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1180 "2015-12-17T23:17:44Z")
You gotta be shit’in me. [Putin praises ‘bright and talented’ Trump.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/politics/russia-putin-trump/) ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1181 "2015-12-17T23:21:22Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > You gotta be shit’in me. [Putin praises ‘bright and talented’ Trump.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/politics/russia-putin-trump/) It might [be a translation thing](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/12/vladimir-putin-calls-donald-trump-brilliant-flamboyant-lively-colorful-outstandin). “Vivid” might be [a more accurate translation](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/12/heres-what-vladimir-putin-really-said-about-donald-trump-today). YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1182 "2015-12-18T01:41:33Z")
The following just showed up in my Facebook Newsfeed: [QUOTE=Michael Moore] Today I went & stood in front of Trump Tower & held a sign until the police came. Then I went home & wrote Donald a letter. Here it is: Dear Donald Trump: You may remember (you do, after all, have a “perfect memory!”), that we met back in November of 1998 in the green room of a talk show where we were both scheduled to appear one afternoon. But just before going on, I was pulled aside by a producer from the show who said that you were “nervous” about being on the set with me. She said you didn’t want to be “ripped apart” and you wanted to be reassured I wouldn’t “go after you.” “Does he think I’m going to tackle him and put him in a choke hold?” I asked, bewildered. “No,” the producer replied, “he just seems all jittery about you.” “Huh. I’ve never met the guy. There’s no reason for him to be scared,” I said. “I really don’t know much about him other than he seems to like his name on stuff. I’ll talk to him if you want me to.” And so, as you may remember, I did. I went up and introduced myself to you. “The producer says you’re worried I might say or do something to you during the show. Hey, no offense, but I barely know who you are. I’m from Michigan. Please don’t worry – we’re gonna get along just fine!” You seemed relieved, then leaned in and said to me, “I just didn’t want any trouble out there and I just wanted to make sure that, you know, you and I got along. That you weren’t going to pick on me for something ridiculous.” “Pick on” you? I thought, where are we, in 3rd grade? I was struck by how you, a self-described tough guy from Queens, seemed like such a fraidey-cat. You and I went on to do the show. Nothing untoward happened between us. I didn’t pull on your hair, didn’t put gum on your seat. “What a wuss,” was all I remember thinking as I left the set. And now, here we are in 2015 and, like many other angry white guys, you are frightened by a bogeyman who is out to get you. That bogeyman, in your mind, are all Muslims. Not just the ones who have killed, but ALL MUSLIMS. Fortunately, Donald, you and your supporters no longer look like what America actually is today. We are not a country of angry white guys. Here’s a statistic that is going to make your hair spin: Eighty-one percent of the electorate who will pick the president next year are either female, people of color, or young people between the ages of 18 and 35. In other words, not you. And not the people who want you leading their country. So, in desperation and insanity, you call for a ban on all Muslims entering this country. I was raised to believe that we are all each other’s brother and sister, regardless of race, creed or color. That means if you want to ban Muslims, you are first going to have to ban me. And everyone else. We are all Muslim. Just as we are all Mexican, we are all Catholic and Jewish and white and black and every shade in between. We are all children of God (or nature or whatever you believe in), part of the human family, and nothing you say or do can change that fact one iota. If you don’t like living by these American rules, then you need to go to the time-out room in any one of your Towers, sit there, and think about what you’ve said. And then leave the rest of us alone so we can elect a real president who is both compassionate and strong – at least strong enough not to be all whiny and scared of some guy in a ballcap from Michigan sitting next to him on a talk show couch. You’re not so tough, Donny, and I’m glad I got to see the real you up close and personal all those years ago. We are all Muslim. Deal with it. All my best, Michael Moore P.S. I’m asking everyone who reads this letter to go here ([http://michaelmoore.com/weareallmuslim](http://michaelmoore.com/weareallmuslim)), and sign the following statement: “WE ARE ALL MUSLIM” – and then post a photo of yourself holding a homemade sign saying “WE ARE ALL MUSLIM” on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram using the hashtag ‪#‎WeAreAllMuslim‬. I will post all the photos on my site and send them to you, Mr. Trump. Feel free to join us. P.P.S. - To sign my statement for #WeAreAllMuslim, go here on my website: [http://michaelmoore.com/weareallmuslim](http://michaelmoore.com/weareallmuslim) [/QUOTE] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=60)