# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1423 "2016-01-19T06:26:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, the worst thing is your continued attempt to paint Trump as racist by association. I think even most of the board’s members here realize that it’s unrealistic to expect Trump or anyone else to seek out and thoroughly vet the personal history of any and everyone who makes a comment or posts an image that makes a point their campaign wants to make. “Continued attempt to paint Trump as racist by association” ? :rolleyes: It was his tweet. **He never apologized for it**. He only did erase it, fortunately noting really can be nowadays. As I pointed before the choice is clear, Trump is either a clueless enabler of the racists that he approaches for work or association or he is a racist bastard. Either way not a guy I would like to see as president. And it is not only me the one that noticed that. > **[King: Donald Trump shows he’ll do anything to appeal to his racist supporters](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/11/22/king-donald-trump-shows-hell-do-anything-to-appeal-to-his-racist-supporters/)** > > All of us already knew that Donald Trump lacked a filter, but with this racist and grossly inaccurate tweet, with a stereotypical photo of a black man in a gangster costume and fake crime stats tha… ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1424 "2016-01-19T07:52:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No, the worst thing is your continued attempt to paint Trump as racist by association. I think even most of the board’s members here realize that it’s unrealistic to expect Trump or anyone else to seek out and thoroughly vet the personal history of any and everyone who makes a comment or posts an image that makes a point their campaign wants to make. Ignore the association for the moment; shouldn’t he vet his facts? If he’s going to post something like that, shouldn’t he make sure that it’s true first? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1425 "2016-01-19T08:05:48Z")
What _is_ it with you guys and the truth? You vote for the _Clintons_! At least with Trump the inaccurate information is second-hand. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1426 "2016-01-19T08:12:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What _is_ it with you guys and the truth? You vote for the _Clintons_! > > At least with Trump the inaccurate information is second-hand. 😛 From a Neo Nazi, of course we know that in the past for less demonstrated associations like that the Clintons and Obama were criticized by the right wing media. I do think that the sources a guy uses are also a good clue that shows what kind of person they really are. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1427 "2016-01-19T08:41:26Z")
Not if they don’t know they’re Neo Nazis. I’d be willing to bet almost any amount that you don’t believe Obama’s personal association with Jeremiah Wright is any kind of indicator of Obama’s own attitudes and beliefs. So why isn’t Obama guilty by association due to his known association with Wright, but Trump is guilty by association because he or someone on his team posted a graphic they’d seen who knows where that was originally created by a guy Trump never heard of. Pretzel logic. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1428 "2016-01-19T08:59:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …At least with Trump the inaccurate information is second-hand. 😛 That would, indeed, be the least. The very least. Can’t get much more least than that. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1429 "2016-01-19T10:36:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So why isn’t Obama guilty by association due to his known association with Wright, but Trump is guilty by association because he or someone on his team posted a graphic they’d seen who knows where that was originally created by a guy Trump never heard of. It seems to me there are three possibilities: 1. Donald Trump (or someone acting in his name) knew and trusted the source of the information. 2. Trump already believed this to be true and searched for statistics to support his belief. 3. Trump did not believe the statistics, but posted them to draw support for his campaign. None of those option speak well of Trump. As for Obama, he [denounced](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24371827/#.Vp4RaRUrKUk) Wright’s words. When Trump denounces his citation of a Neo-Nazi, then maybe you can try to make an equivalence. And for a final irony, Wright’s remarks were controversial because he was critical of America. Now Trump says he wants to make America great again and the people who were mad about Wright don’t bat an eye. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1430 "2016-01-19T11:31:21Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > It seems to me there are three possibilities: > > 1. Donald Trump (or someone acting in his name) knew and trusted the source of the information. > 2. Trump already believed this to be true and searched for statistics to support his belief. > 3. Trump did not believe the statistics, but posted them to draw support for his campaign. > > None of those option speak well of Trump. A forth possibility would be that Trump or member of his team say it, thought it was accurate, and posted it accordingly. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > As for Obama, he [denounced](http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24371827/#.Vp4RaRUrKUk) Wright’s words. When Trump denounces his citation of a Neo-Nazi, then maybe you can try to make an equivalence. Yeah, Obama denounced Wright’s words once they became public and a problem for him. One could make a case that Obama was really in agreement with (or at least sympathetic toward) what Wright was saying, thereby revealing his true self, and he only went through the motions of renouncing them for political purposes. IMO, Obama has far more dirt on his hands regarding Wright than Trump does over that tweet. > [@Robot Arm](#): > > And for a final irony, Wright’s remarks were controversial because he was critical of America. Now Trump says he wants to make America great again and the people who were mad about Wright don’t bat an eye. Don’t you think it’s one thing to say you want to make America great again, and another entirely to say: > [@](#): > > _We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye… and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards._ (This in regard to 9/11) or > [@](#): > > _The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today._ or > [@](#): > > _The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War._ Surely you don’t really mean to draw an equivalence between Trump’s campaign slogan and Wright’s nonsense? I mean, talk about hate speech. Trump’s never said anything close to that claptrap, but all we hear from the left is that Trump’s a hater, and crickets when it comes to the likes of Wright. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1431 "2016-01-19T11:42:36Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > A forth possibility would be that Trump or member of his team say it, thought it was accurate, and posted it accordingly. That would not be a fourth possibility, that would be either 1 or 2 on my list. > [@](#): > > Yeah, Obama denounced Wright’s words once they became public and a problem for him. One could make a case that Obama was really in agreement with (or at least sympathetic toward) what Wright was saying, thereby revealing his true self, and he only went through the motions of renouncing them for political purposes. IMO, Obama has far more dirt on his hands regarding Wright than Trump does over that tweet. I suppose one could make a case that Obama believes words he has specifically renounced, and that Trump doesn’t believe words he has specifically repeated, if one wished to be roundly mocked for making it. > [@](#): > > Don’t you think it’s one thing to say you want to make America great again, and another entirely to say: Trump wants to make America great again; what does he think isn’t great about it now? The difference between Wright and Trump is that Trump can’t be bothered to give any specifics. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1432 "2016-01-19T14:30:55Z")
**Starving Artist** , you say “There’s nothing insane about birtherism in reality”. Yes there is. There’s no real-world reason to suspect that there’s any chance Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. There’s no evidence he was born anywhere else, and tons of evidence he was born in Hawaii. There are only three possibilities for publicly disputing Obama’s birth: 1. A lack of connection with the real world (brain isn’t working properly) 2. Extreme racism 3. Extreme dishonesty for manipulation purposes (i.e. Trump doesn’t really believe Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, he’s just saying so for some other reason) For Trump, I think 3 is more likely than 1 or 2. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1433 "2016-01-19T14:40:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Not if they don’t know they’re Neo Nazis. Trump and fellow travelers know it now, their solution was to erase the Tweet and Trump only response was to be indignant that we are demanding that he be accurate. Indeed, not a word about repudiating the views of his sources or the circles he is in. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d be willing to bet almost any amount that you don’t believe Obama’s personal association with Jeremiah Wright is any kind of indicator of Obama’s own attitudes and beliefs. Obama actually left the church he was attending besides repudiating the words of Wright. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So why isn’t Obama guilty by association due to his known association with Wright, but Trump is guilty by association because he or someone on his team posted a graphic they’d seen who knows where that was originally created by a guy Trump never heard of. > > Pretzel logic. That is only projecting really silly logic to sound one as Robot Arm and the press has noted already. Obama did already condemn Wright and even left the church that had that reverend. Trump keeps marinating on his [del]sauce[/del] sources and reprehensible buddies. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1434 "2016-01-19T14:53:41Z")
Trump’s kid is restoring a Camaro? Well, that changes _everything_. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1435 "2016-01-19T15:13:31Z")
Except for Pearl Harbor, I don’t see a lot of Rev. Wright’s rhetoric that is more likely than not demonstrably false. They represent his opinion, which he has every right to hold. Unless Obama was seen in the congregation giving an amen to these points, he can’t be held responsible for them by association. Let’s face it, unless your name is Jimmy Carter, church attendance by politicians is something done sporadically just for show. More likely than not, the first time Obama heard about these controversial remarks was in the press. Contrast this to Trump’s birtherism and it doesn’t turn out well for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1436 "2016-01-19T17:08:42Z")
Loving the Trump / Palin ticket - can you book seats for the tv debates? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1437 "2016-01-19T17:13:05Z")
Latest I hear is that Scott Brown has the inside track for Trump’s VP spot. Actually I was pulling for Brown to set the record for most states lost in a Senate election. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1440 "2016-01-19T18:10:05Z")
mccart7 reported. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1441 "2016-01-19T18:21:50Z")
> [@mccart7](#): > > Alaka-spam deleted. Brung to you by: Vote Palin in 16! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1442 "2016-01-19T18:32:32Z")
Strangely fitting spam. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1443 "2016-01-19T18:32:36Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > mccart7 reported. And here I thought this was the key to Trump’s success, that he was a transgendered spellcaster. Well, it would explain a lot. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1444 "2016-01-19T18:37:51Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Strangely fitting spam. Trump’s threads draw the BEST spam, those LOSERS Cruz and Bush can’t draw ANY spam. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=73)