# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1685 "2016-02-01T16:36:28Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Why that author the buffoon and not the Bloomberg one or both? > > All we know is that last time the poll, which otherwise is highly respected and does well, completely missed the relatively huge number of independents that registered as Republicans and voted mostly for Ron Paul and that this year the poll reports a similar number to last time’s actual turnout of first timers as intending to caucus. If they all actually do it will be similar to last time’s first timer numbers; nothing historic. If they do not it will be less than 2012’s first timer turnout. And of course it could be another atypical underestimate as well. Is there any particular reason to accept one as more probable than another? Is predicting the same first timer turnout as 2012’s most reasonably described as “inspiring new interest”? I doubt this sideshow-to-a-sideshow warrants the ongoing hijack, but what the heck. 🙂 I was mostly working from this part: > [@](#): > > 1. Nothing in this poll forecasts a groundswell of new people. > > Just 40 percent of the likely GOP electorate is made up of first-time caucusgoers, which is on par with the 38 percent of first-time caucusgoers reflected in 2012 entrance polling Which looks to me to be pure _non sequitur_. I really don’t have much deeper analysis. As I said in post #1665 (!) the \*non sequitur \*may be between my ears and the real truth is that most causcuses have large numbers of first time participants. My personal experience and hence assumptions about more normal primaries is that any given person either votes every time or never; there’s not much in-between behavior. So other than voters aging into or out of the electorate or moving interstate, we should see almost the exact same electorate from one year to the next. Newbies should be a tiny minority, not ~40%. For sure if I was writing or editing the \*Register \*piece I would have addressed this apparent contradiction more fully. My perception is the Bloomberg article appears more internally consistent. And hence more believable and better-written. Which one is actually closer to the actual facts on the ground or makes better predictions about the future is a whole 'nuther question. And not one I’m competent to opine on; I simply haven’t dug into it enough, nor do I care enough. This time tomorrow we’ll know what happened. Then the debate will shift to “why?” and “what does this predict for NH & beyond?” As intellectual & sociological chewing gum this election cycle is really the super bonus multi-flavor multi-pack! Makes for strong jaws and no nutrition. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1686 "2016-02-01T22:33:15Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > From the article: > (my bold) > > I’m not sure how to reconcile the bolded parts. Maybe he means the government will provide some supplemental funding with the rest coming from individuals? Maybe the government will fund multiple payers (although if the government is providing all the funding, having multiple “payers” is kind of a strange thing to do). > > And his whole “plan” is “we’ll work with the hospitals and doctors and figure something out”. There is no idea here. No proposal. Just, we’ll figure something out because I’m smart and I’ll work with smart people. Those smart people, strangely, don’t seem to include insurance companies and drug companies. He has **no clue** how to deal with health care. None. He’s just spouting off about how we need something great. I agree, we need something great! Let’s do it! Some of the more notable universal health care systems including those of [France](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France), [Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany), and [Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system_in_Japan) are not single-payer. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1687 "2016-02-01T22:47:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > BTW, I know it’s cool and hip to bash Dane Cook, but I thought his HBO special _Vicious Circle_ was really funny. As in, the rare experience of tears rolling down my face and getting a sideache from laughing so hard. (I have however never seen anything else from him.) And I say this as someone who is also a fan of other comedians that are embraced by the hip crowd, like Louis CK and David Cross. If I may continue this slight hijack, I actually performed stand-up comedy on a professional-to-semi-professional basis for about 6 years, and wile I’ve never attained the popularity that Cook has, comedians DO talk. Cook, among the different people “in the know,” has a reputation for stealing jokes from other artists, which is the BIG BAD in stand-up. A lot of people dislike him for that reason. The rest of my dislike for him is just that I don’t find him funny. But more than one comic has accused him of stealing their material. I have no respect for him, and part of me wants to say that, if you enjoyed some of his jokes, it’s because he didn’t write them. But YMMV, obviously. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1688 "2016-02-01T22:49:32Z")
Palin [bombs in Iowa](http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/02/01/watch-trump-crowd-dead-silent-sarah-palins-desperate-rant-steve-king/). ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1689 "2016-02-01T22:55:00Z")
Trump can’t wait to [run against Bernie Sanders](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/01/donald-trump-love-to-run-against-communist-bernie-sanders-wouldnt-that-be-great/): > [@](#): > > “I’d love to run against him,” Trump told supporters at his campaign rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa on Monday ahead of the caucus. “To run against a communist in this country…I’d love that.” > > “Wouldn’t that be great?” He added, “We will have a lot of fun.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1690 "2016-02-01T23:02:52Z")
[Trump urged people at today’s rally to “knock the crap” out of protesters, and promised that he would pay their fines if they get arrested.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/01/wtf-trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-the-crap-out-of-hecklers-offers-to-pay-legal-fees-video/) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1691 "2016-02-02T00:10:30Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Some of the more notable universal health care systems including those of [France](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France), [Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany), and [Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system_in_Japan) are not single-payer. Yes. I’m aware of that. Is Trump? What is he proposing, exactly? Something that looks like the Japanese system? The Canadian system? The UK system? I mean, it will definitely be a Great System. That much goes without saying. But how great? Canada great? France great? Cuba great? Has he published a proposal? Maybe he’s laid out a proposal. If so, I’ll retract my snark. But as far as I can tell, his statement is just another example of Trump’s idea-free ranting. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1692 "2016-02-02T00:14:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Trump urged people at today’s rally to “knock the crap” out of protesters, and promised that he would pay their fines if they get arrested.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/01/wtf-trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-the-crap-out-of-hecklers-offers-to-pay-legal-fees-video/) If any of them do . . . I don’t know if Trump could be criminally charged with [solicitation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solicitation#United_States) . . . but the victims could probably sue him. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1693 "2016-02-02T00:19:28Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > as far as I can tell, his statement is just another example of Trump’s idea-free ranting. That’s my assumption, because Trump. Bernie’s facade of a plan seems more disingenuous, because of how it is presented. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1694 "2016-02-02T00:31:10Z")
“Presented”? You mean the cool and unemotional style, like a Vulcan doing stand-up? The ultra-hip demeanor, the post-modernist irony? Or is it the hair? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1695 "2016-02-02T00:43:38Z")
Presented, as in full of bumper sticker phrases and unrealistic and unreachable entitlements. “Health care is a right”, “Medicare for all” except not really, because Medicare has co-pays and coverage denials and he also promises no co-pays, and even implies no denial of coverage. Trump just said we shouldn’t let people die in the street for lack of health care, and that he was going to get with docs and hospitals and work a deal to figure out how to do it. Don’t you think it’s a good idea to not let people die in the street for lack of coverage? Don’t you want to make America great again? I guess the more obvious bullshit from Trump is a little less annoying, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1696 "2016-02-02T00:57:10Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > …Don’t you think it’s a good idea to not let people die in the street for lack of coverage?.. Well, lets not be too hasty! Quite a boon to the auto repair segment. People be getting their tires re-aligned every few weeks… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1697 "2016-02-02T01:51:10Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Well, we _could_ fine citizens who fail to participate. Perhaps by means of a penalty to every tax return in the following year not accompanied by a voting receipt of some kind. Several countries currently require voting participation, including Australia. I don’t care about the opinions of the lazy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1698 "2016-02-02T03:56:08Z")
Aw goldurn contraire! Its not “Necessity is the mother in invention”, its _laziness!_ First paleo farm guy, trudging to grind his wheat into flour, felt the wind on his face and thought “There’s gotta be some way to make the wind do this shit!”. The will to get more from less effort is a _fundamental_ force in civilization and technology. The list of our advances founded _entirely_ on laziness is long, but I could surely list them! Except, well, you know… ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1699 "2016-02-02T05:30:08Z")
Have we discussed [this picture](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaIogZqUEAA-4TD.jpg) of Donald and and his then-14 or 15 year old daughter yet? There’s a lot to unpack. I was so distracted by the pose of father and daughter that it was a while before I noticed what they were posing _on_. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1700 "2016-02-02T05:31:50Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Have we discussed [this picture](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaIogZqUEAA-4TD.jpg) of Donald and and his then-14 or 15 year old daughter yet? There’s a lot to unpack. I was so distracted by the pose of father and daughter that it was a while before I noticed what they were posing _on_. At least we know TRUMP [got along with his daughter better than the Cruzer does with his](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZflKu9tjiY) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1701 "2016-02-02T05:36:02Z")
Surprised the kid didn’t climb out her crib and make a break for it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1702 "2016-02-02T09:18:56Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Presented, as in full of bumper sticker phrases and unrealistic and unreachable entitlements. “Health care is a right”, “Medicare for all” except not really, because Medicare has co-pays and coverage denials and he also promises no co-pays, and even implies no denial of coverage. > > Trump just said we shouldn’t let people die in the street for lack of health care, and that he was going to get with docs and hospitals and work a deal to figure out how to do it. Don’t you think it’s a good idea to not let people die in the street for lack of coverage? Don’t you want to make America great again? > > I guess the more obvious bullshit from Trump is a little less annoying, for some reason. I thought Trump sounded sincere, even! I wonder if ultimately he would push for every state to just take the Medicaid expansion and sort of leave it at that. And I agree with you about Bernie’s “plan”. My sister and mother are Canadian citizens, and I was telling my son (a huge Bernhead) tonight as we drove back from the caucuses that the dirty little secret of single-payer in the industrialized world is that for the U.S. to convert to it would require that the middle class accept health care that’s not quite as convenient and expansive as what they have now, with more waiting and cost controls, and that low income people would be much better off. I said that’s a tradeoff I would take in a heartbeat, but that people are selfish and the people who would lose out a little bit would not be so jazzed, in the main. Instead, Bernie’s claiming it’s a free lunch for everyone: total BS. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1703 "2016-02-02T09:58:13Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > it would require that the middle class accept health care that’s not quite as convenient and expansive as what they have now, with more waiting and cost controls, and that low income people would be much better off. Thats not necessarily true, in all countries with single payer health care you also have the option to take out additional private insurance which gives you access to better private hospitals with no waiting lists. In Australia if you opt for private insurance you get a discount from your taxed medicare levy (which is based on income). At a certain income level around $100,000 AUD a year, I believe its cheaper to have private insurance than to rely on our government single payer medicare. Thats the way the system was designed to work. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1704 "2016-02-02T10:01:32Z")
Interesting. My sister came down to the States to get knee surgery after being told she was going to have something like an eighteen month wait. I guess maybe she didn’t have that sort of insurance? But having those two tiers seems like it would tend to make the lower tier worse and worse if everyone didn’t have to use it. You sure this is available in \*all \*such countries? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=86)