# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1705 "2016-02-02T13:00:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Interesting. My sister came down to the States to get knee surgery after being told she was going to have something like an eighteen month wait. I guess maybe she didn’t have that sort of insurance? > > But having those two tiers seems like it would tend to make the lower tier worse and worse if everyone didn’t have to use it. You sure this is available in \*all \*such countries? Why would it make the lower tier worse? You still have to pay your taxes whether you use the public health service or not. In fact, the more people who opt out the better, because it reduces waiting lists (although I doubt it’s significant). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1706 "2016-02-02T13:37:38Z")
In the short term, yes. In the longer term no. The more people that opt out of the single payer system, the more it changes from a universal feature of society into a welfare program for \*those \*people. And once enrollment declines past a certain critical level not far from 65%, it becomes politically unsustainable and is defunded or shut down. Essentially all the opposition to Obamacare is the same thing operating in the other direction. IOW : If \*those \*people get care, it’ll cost \*me \*too much. So we can’t extend the system to \*those \*people. Social Security is in a similar boat. We could solve the SS funding challenge by capping benefits for the well-off and charging the full SS tax farther up the income scale. But doing so would undermine the political support which is based on “Everybody pays; everybody gets.” Once it becomes “You pay; \*they \*get.”, support would collapse within a couple election cycles. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1707 "2016-02-02T13:41:04Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > … Trump just said we shouldn’t let people die in the street for lack of health care, … He’s going to have them dragged into the alley. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1708 "2016-02-02T19:33:52Z")
Trump supporters are claiming fraud in the Iowa caucuses … [but in the Rubio vote, not the Cruz vote.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/02/apparently-rubio-supporting-microsoft-planned-for-donald-trump-to-lose-along-with-rubio-video/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1709 "2016-02-02T22:02:26Z")
What, fucking _Microsoft_?! Windows '95, and now _this_! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1710 "2016-02-02T22:19:39Z")
Scott Brown endorses Trump: > **[Scott Brown to endorse Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/02/scott-brown-to-endorse-trump/)** > > Former senator's support could be boost in presidential race in New Hampshire. It’s interesting how Trump seems to be popular with moderates and xenophobes alike. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1711 "2016-02-03T00:50:49Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Have we discussed [this picture](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaIogZqUEAA-4TD.jpg) of Donald and and his then-14 or 15 year old daughter yet? There’s a lot to unpack. I was so distracted by the pose of father and daughter that it was a while before I noticed what they were posing _on_. Am I the only one who thinks TD resembles Roman Polanski in that photo? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1712 "2016-02-03T01:26:22Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Have we discussed [this picture](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaIogZqUEAA-4TD.jpg) of Donald and and his then-14 or 15 year old daughter yet? There’s a lot to unpack. I was so distracted by the pose of father and daughter that it was a while before I noticed what they were posing _on_. You do know that photographers _pose_ their subjects, don’t you? I doubt very much that either Trump or his daughter had any idea how that photo would look at the time it was taken. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1713 "2016-02-03T01:34:55Z")
I don’t watch or listen to Rush Limbaugh (Fox either, for that matter) but this turned up on my Facebook feed today and I thought it bears repeating: > [@](#): > > Originally stated by \*\*Rush Limbaugh: \*\*You look at Ted Cruz, you look at Marco Rubio, you look at Dr. Ben Carson. You have two Hispanics and an African-American getting 60% of the caucus votes. Over on the Democrat side, two bedraggled, worn out old white people were the choice. And we sit here, we continue to have to listen to all this garbage that the Republican Party is where you find a lack of diversity and closed-minded bigotry. Food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1714 "2016-02-03T01:43:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Food for thought. What if, instead of “looking” at them, you actually listened to what they were saying? You know, the actual substance of what they’re campaigning on. Seems to me that “lack of diversity and closed-minded bigotry” along with a generous sprinkling of hate and paranoia is the central campaign message coming out of Trump, Cruz, and Rubio. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1715 "2016-02-03T01:44:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t watch or listen to Rush Limbaugh (Fox either, for that matter) but this turned up on my Facebook feed today and I thought it bears repeating: > > Food for thought. Who gives a fuck? Excepting the Donald, all of them are just shills of one stripe or another. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1716 "2016-02-03T01:51:08Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > What if, instead of “looking” at them, you actually listened to what they were saying? You know, the actual substance of what they’re campaigning on. Seems to me that “lack of diversity and closed-minded bigotry” along with a generous sprinkling of hate and paranoia is the central campaign message coming out of Trump, Cruz, and Rubio. It’s not even looking at them. Ted Cruz is Hispanic in exactly one sense: part of his lineage is from a Spanish-speaking country. He does not speak Spanish. He is not Latino. He did not grow up in a Hispanic community. He does not publicly identify as Hispanic. Viewing him as bringing diversity to the Republican party means you don’t have a fucking clue about the value of diversity. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1717 "2016-02-03T02:09:44Z")
Well you have to look at them _the right way_ … like the apartment that has a view of the lake … so long as you stick your head out of that window and stretch just right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1718 "2016-02-03T02:22:31Z")
But, but, _guys_…they’re brown and black people! Now if you don’t like their politics that’s one thing, but the lie is that Republicans hate black and brown people…and women. And yet women, black people and brown people have been shown not only to be welcome but strongly supported provided that they’re simply fellow Republicans. It would be more honest of you guys to claim that Republicans object to Democratic brown and black people and women and those who vote for them. But as for brown, black and female? No problem at all!! ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1719 "2016-02-03T02:25:48Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > It’s not even looking at them. Ted Cruz is Hispanic in exactly one sense: part of his lineage is from a Spanish-speaking country. He does not speak Spanish. He is not Latino. He did not grow up in a Hispanic community. He does not publicly identify as Hispanic. Viewing him as bringing diversity to the Republican party means you don’t have a fucking clue about the value of diversity. Nor can you pair Cubans with other Hispanics from a political sense. Cruz is to Hispanic as Carson is to Compton. And mind you Rush and people like him told us people only voted for Obama because he was black - and that we should look at their values and ideas and not their skin color. _VOMIT_ ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1720 "2016-02-03T02:26:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t watch or listen to Rush Limbaugh (Fox either, for that matter) but this turned up on my Facebook feed today and I thought it bears repeating: > > Food for thought. Well, as it was pointed out to me in an earlier thread, Cubans DON’T COUNT, because some have voted Republican, and they’re not Hispanic enough, or something… ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1721 "2016-02-03T02:34:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But, but, _guys_…they’re brown and black people! No, they aren’t. Carson is black. I don’t know if Rubio would be considered “brown” (he’s certainly Latino), but Cruz is white. 1950’s white. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1722 "2016-02-03T02:40:58Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > No, they aren’t. Carson is black. I don’t know if Rubio would be considered “brown” (he’s certainly Latino), but Cruz is white. 1950’s white. Robert Young wasn’t **that** white! Cruz makes Norwegians look like n-words! Cruz glows in the dark! Cruz is of the Pillsbury Dough-Boy race! (Is America ready?!) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1723 "2016-02-03T02:41:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But, but, _guys_…they’re brown and black people! > > Now if you don’t like their politics that’s one thing, but the lie is that Republicans hate black and brown people…and women. And yet women, black people and brown people have been shown not only to be welcome but strongly supported provided that they’re simply fellow Republicans. > > It would be more honest of you guys to claim that Republicans object to Democratic brown and black people and women and those who vote for them. But as for brown, black and female? No problem at all!! No, better rethink that. Actually Republicans seem to have quite a lot of problems with women and minorities. Republican problems with women: The rising number of women in Congress can obscure another trend: The number of Republican women has remained roughly stagnant for more than a decade. Although women in both parties have increased their numbers in Congress during the past 25 years, **the share of Democratic women — now nearly 33 percent — has continued to climb** , while the Republican female share has leveled off since hitting **10 percent** during the mid-2000s. [http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/upshot/gop-women-in-congress-why-so-few.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/upshot/gop-women-in-congress-why-so-few.html) Republican problems with minorities: [CHART: Actually, Most Of The Diversity In Congress Comes From Democrats](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/breakdown-114th-congress-demographics-gender) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/1724 "2016-02-03T02:45:22Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Well, as it was pointed out to me in an earlier thread, Cubans DON’T COUNT, because some have voted Republican, and they’re not Hispanic enough, or something… You know some folks who are immigrants themselves or first-generation, from Mexico and Central America? Ask them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=87)