# Trump's Shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577 "2019-01-11T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/221 "2019-01-19T21:51:41Z")
So Trump is saying that he’ll agree to extend a temporary protection in exchange for a permanent wall? NO DEAL. No wall. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/222 "2019-01-19T23:06:56Z")
Seems like he is offering a temporary solution to an actual problem that he started in exchange for a permanent solution to an imaginary problem he invented. So, no. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/223 "2019-01-20T00:04:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Seems like he is offering a temporary solution to an actual problem that he started in exchange for a permanent solution to an imaginary problem he invented. Day-ammm! That is absolutely the best description possible for not only Tan the Conman’s current stunt, but his entire political life thus far. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/224 "2019-01-20T00:19:57Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Seems like he is offering a temporary solution to an actual problem that he started in exchange for a permanent solution to an imaginary problem he invented. > > So, no. Try again. I agree with Monty, and I’mma stealing it (with at least the attribution that I saw it posted here). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/225 "2019-01-20T01:06:29Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Seems like he is offering a temporary solution to an actual problem that he started in exchange for a permanent solution to an imaginary problem he invented. > > So, no. Try again. > [@Monty](#): > > Day-ammm! That is absolutely the best description possible for not only Tan the Conman’s current stunt, but his entire political life thus far. > [@Morgyn](#): > > I agree with Monty, and I’mma stealing it (with at least the attribution that I saw it posted here). Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/226 "2019-01-20T07:07:27Z")
Be sure to refer to to one individual as “Tan the Conman”. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/227 "2019-01-20T14:46:54Z")
As I understand it, MdConnell is now bringing this legislation to the floor for a vote largely because he knows it won’t pass, and he can say Democrats rejected a compromise. This is after McConnell had previously said that he [wouldn’t bring any votes to the floor](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/425469-mcconnell-senate-wont-override-trump-veto-on-shutdown-fight) if they had no chance of passing. So, after this fails, what is his excuse for not bringing any of the House passed bills, reopening the government, for a vote? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/228 "2019-01-20T17:55:43Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Maybe we could concentrate them in some kind of camps… Would that be temporary, or would it be a Final Solution To The \ Question? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/229 "2019-01-20T17:56:50Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Sounds like Popeye’s Wimpy: “I’ll gladly pay you some day for work done today.” Problem is, Trump already has a documented history of NOT paying people. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/230 "2019-01-20T22:06:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > As I understand it, MdConnell is now bringing this legislation to the floor for a vote largely because he knows it won’t pass, and he can say Democrats rejected a compromise. This is after McConnell had previously said that he [wouldn’t bring any votes to the floor](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/425469-mcconnell-senate-wont-override-trump-veto-on-shutdown-fight) if they had no chance of passing. > > So, after this fails, what is his excuse for not bringing any of the House passed bills, reopening the government, for a vote? He won’t have or need a reason or an excuse. 'Cause nobody who matters to him gives a fuck. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/231 "2019-01-20T23:30:32Z")
Well, maybe not. Maybe:… Mitch is hearing from his people, they want out, they want this over before it gets any worse. So he cooked up this “compromise” scheme. Il Douche gets what he wants in return he glues back together the shit he broke, and promises to be good. Its a fairly desperate ploy, but they probably figure what the heck! If it doesn’t work, they’re no worse off, and maybe the Dems are dumb enough to fall for it. Be like Roberto Duran about to say “No mas!” and his manager says “Let me offer them a compromise, and make it a draw!”. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/232 "2019-01-21T00:22:47Z")
The fun thing is besides the Dems not falling for this crap, the MAGA morons have been so indoctrinated that they think a crappy three year DACA extension means amnesty. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/233 "2019-01-21T00:28:35Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The fun thing is besides the Dems not falling for this crap, the MAGA morons have been so indoctrinated that they think a crappy three year DACA extension means amnesty. Not to mention that “amnesty” refers to pardons for those who have consciously committed a crime. Little kids who were carried across a border in their parents’ arms scarcely fit that description. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/234 "2019-01-21T01:56:35Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The fun thing is besides the Dems not falling for this crap, the MAGA morons have been so indoctrinated that they think a crappy three year DACA extension means amnesty. Watching these imbeciles in a circular firing squad would be much more fun if the rest of us weren’t sitting in the middle of it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/235 "2019-01-21T02:14:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, maybe not. Maybe:… > > Mitch is hearing from his people, they want out, they want this over before it gets any worse. So he cooked up this “compromise” scheme. Il Douche gets what he wants in return he glues back together the shit he broke, and promises to be good. Its a fairly desperate ploy, but they probably figure what the heck! If it doesn’t work, they’re no worse off, and maybe the Dems are dumb enough to fall for it. > > Be like Roberto Duran about to say “No mas!” and his manager says “Let me offer them a compromise, and make it a draw!”. But this compromise isn’t any kind of compromise; it’s is an empty gesture, calculated only to make it look like the Dems won’t play ball. Now if Mitch starts hearing from his people and they are demanding a realistic solution-- or if they are saying, _“Bring any one of the Dems’ bills here for a vote, and we’ll override the presidents veto, 'cause we have enough votes to do it!”_ then I’ll be impressed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/236 "2019-01-21T05:22:18Z")
Well, yeah, its an empty gesture in the same way a bluff is an empty gesture. Unless it works. Then it is a brilliant tactical maneuver. If by some malign miracle, public opinion swung wildly to Trump’s side because, gee whiz, he offered a compromise and the Dems refused!..Mitch’s colleagues would be thumping his shoulders and offering their daughters! Not bloody likely, to be sure, but even if nothing weirder ever happened, things equally weird have. Its a “Hail Satan!” toss. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/237 "2019-01-21T12:33:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Problem is, Trump already has a documented history of NOT paying people. And you think Wimpy ever did? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/238 "2019-01-21T14:22:54Z")
> [@](#): > > A man slashes your car tire and then demands you buy him a Rolex. You refuse and then he offers to “temporarily” patch your tire if you buy him a Rolex. Trump thinks this is what it means to “compromise.” —Judd Legum ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/239 "2019-01-21T15:17:30Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > To the second part, seriously? That’s going to be a weight lifted from the shoulders of several of my friends. Only provided they get some money **before** they get evicted or foreclosed. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/240 "2019-01-21T15:18:31Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > And you think Wimpy ever did? Nope. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=13)