# Trump's Shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577 "2019-01-11T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/21 "2019-01-11T15:27:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Visitors Chainsaw Iconic Joshua Trees in National Park During Gov’t Shutdown](https://www.livescience.com/64467-visitors-chainsaw-iconic-joshua-trees.html) Trump should be concerned. That will reduce the park’s value when he tries to sell it off to developers. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/22 "2019-01-11T15:38:55Z")
The leopards shall feast on face! ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/23 "2019-01-11T15:52:39Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Why wouldn’t they get paid? Everyone else who supplies a service that satisfies consumers’ desires gets paid. You do realize that a) what you’re proposing for air traffic controllers would mean that the government develop a contracting scope of work; issue a request for proposals; evaluate the proposals; award the contract and monitor the contractors’ performance; and all of that would have be done by federal employees; and that b) that process would take many months, if not years, while the problem of air traffic controllers not being paid is an immediate problem; and c) some federal contractors are not being paid for their work during the shutdown, but unlike furloughed federal workers, most of these contractors are not still required to go to work so that your solution would be worse than the current state of affairs because now we have air traffic controllers at work who aren’t getting paid, but your way would result in no air traffic controllers actually showing up for work; and that d) even if the job was done by contractors, their work and payment for said work would still be done by federal workers? So to recap, your solution to an immediate crisis of air traffic controllers not getting paid is to introduce a months long process that has to be carried out by federal workers (which could not be done until the government reopens) that would result in the job function currently being carried out by people not being paid, but at least still showing up for work to not be carried out at all. Do you ever think before you post? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/24 "2019-01-11T15:55:08Z")
Thinking slows down his writing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/25 "2019-01-11T16:15:44Z")
[Miami airport to close terminal as gov shutdown continues](https://apnews.com/f147ae8bd1e44787aa11ebe725fd59c0) > [@](#): > > Miami International Airport is closing a terminal this weekend because security screeners have been calling in sick at twice the airport’s normal rate as the federal government shutdown stretches toward a fourth week. > > Friday marks the first day screeners will miss a paycheck, and airport spokesman Greg Chin said there’s a concern there won’t be enough workers to handle all 11 checkpoints during normal hours over the weekend. > > Chin said Terminal G will close at 1 p.m. Saturday, reopen for flights Sunday morning and close again at 1 p.m. that day. The terminal serves United Airlines along with smaller carriers. Its closure means restaurants and shops that depend on departing flights also will close. Airports are starting to close, y’all. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/26 "2019-01-11T16:25:41Z")
There was an air controller strike during the Reagan administration. I wondered at the time why he didn’t use military aircraft controllers. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/27 "2019-01-11T16:32:04Z")
The National Archives are closed. I’m researching the 1964 Wilderness Act for my MA thesis and need access to those documents. It’s a small thing in the grand scheme of things and personally it’s an inconvenience to me, but that’s a lot of people that aren’t working or being paid. The National Forests are closed as well. That’s a huge part of our local economy. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/28 "2019-01-11T16:43:47Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > There was an air controller strike during the Reagan administration. I wondered at the time why he didn’t use military aircraft controllers. 1. They already have responsibilities; and 2. There are not enough of them. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/29 "2019-01-11T17:12:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > There was an air controller strike during the Reagan administration. I wondered at the time why he didn’t use military aircraft controllers. According to this [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)) article, he did. > [@](#): > > They were replaced initially with non-participating controllers, supervisors, staff personnel, some non-rated personnel, and in some cases by controllers transferred temporarily from other facilities. **Some military controllers were also used until replacements could be trained.** Bolding mine. The article goes on to state that it took 10 years before staffing returned to pre-strike levels. Do we really want to go through this crap again? ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/30 "2019-01-11T17:12:50Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > There was an air controller strike during the Reagan administration. I wondered at the time why he didn’t use military aircraft controllers. Most of them are in their early twenties with only a couple of years of training. That’s fine for the military but not really good for Atlanta or Chicago. It can take upwards of year of training for even a good controller to move to a new airport. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/31 "2019-01-11T17:13:24Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Air traffic controllers are not being paid, but are still required to show up to work. What a coincidence, there seems to be a bug going around. First it got the TSA workers, [now the ATCs](https://www.newsandguts.com/shutdown-stories-air-traffic-controllers-join-tsa-workers-in-sickout/)? Jesus, it seems to be spreading. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/32 "2019-01-11T17:18:40Z")
Conservativism slavery in a nutshell. Didn’t they tell us for 50 years this is the sort of thing which would happen if the Left took over - that the capable would be forced to work, while the “looters” and “moochers” would take the day off? Looks like “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need (maybe)” is conservative policy now. > [@](#): > > The fairness in all this is beyond ridiculous. Staff and many other employees don’t have to report to work, and all of the essential personnel are required to report for the same pay when this over. 3-4 weeks off for free for furloughed employees and all the essential personnel continue to work everyday for the same pay. This shit is getting old! ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/33 "2019-01-11T17:27:47Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > What a coincidence, there seems to be a bug going around. First it got the TSA workers, [now the ATCs](https://www.newsandguts.com/shutdown-stories-air-traffic-controllers-join-tsa-workers-in-sickout/)? Jesus, it seems to be spreading. Maybe the CDC should look into it. Oh wait… ETA: Never mind, it turns out the CDC is funded. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/34 "2019-01-11T17:39:57Z")
There would be a brief disturbance, but the private sector is capable of keeping planes safe in the air. They already do 99.9% of that job as designers, manufacturers and maintenance providers. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/35 "2019-01-11T17:42:50Z")
… paid for, and regulated by, the US government. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/36 "2019-01-11T17:56:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Miami airport to close terminal as gov shutdown continues](https://apnews.com/f147ae8bd1e44787aa11ebe725fd59c0)Airports are starting to close, y’all. And I’m planning on leaving for vacation tomorrow morning. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/37 "2019-01-11T18:02:01Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > There would be a brief disturbance, but the private sector is capable of keeping planes safe in the air. They already do 99.9% of that job as designers, manufacturers and maintenance providers. _Really??_ The designers, manufacturers and maintenance providers are qualified in air-traffic control?!? Who knew… :smack: Any idea of how many mid-air collisions and fatal crashes might happen during this “brief disturbance”? What would, in your humble opinion, be can acceptable amount of fatalities? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/38 "2019-01-11T18:03:23Z")
It’s different, though! It’s the Private Sector! And, you know… FREEDOM! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/39 "2019-01-11T18:54:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It’s different, though! It’s the Private Sector! And, you know… FREEDOM! Free-DUMB! It is our _worship_ word! You will not speak it! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/40 "2019-01-11T18:56:03Z")
I’d sure hate to get one of these: [Federal workers get $0 pay stubs as shutdown drags on](https://apnews.com/5d95c567185f4592b4a6e59fa9317f7c). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=3)