# Trump's Shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577 "2019-01-11T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/441 "2019-01-25T17:21:31Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Could the light be dawning…? > > [Source](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426922-gop-senator-reportedly-slams-mcconnell-over-shutdown-this-is-your-fault) It would take a whopping 4 senators defecting to the democratic caucus to flip the senate. 4. That there aren’t 4 senators disgusted enough by Trump and McConnell’s behavior to do that is testament to how utterly fucked we all are. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/442 "2019-01-25T17:26:21Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Oh, I think that could go on for a l-o-o-o-n-g time, and the last person departing can turn out the lights. What do they do when there aren’t any more planes? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/443 "2019-01-25T17:28:50Z")
[Furloughed Government Employee Using Time Off To Visit Local Food Pantry She Been Hearing About](https://local.theonion.com/furloughed-government-employee-using-time-off-to-visit-1831802595) > [@](#): > > ROSEBURG, OR—Noting the wide variety of nonperishable items lining the shelves, furloughed government employee Sheena Enders, 38, confirmed Wednesday she was using some of the time off from her job with the U.S. Census Bureau to visit the local food pantry she had heard so much about. “I’ve driven past this place before, but this is the first time I’ve ever had the chance to try it,” said Enders, who has yet to receive a paycheck in 2019, adding that with her office closed she would have plenty of time to wait if there was a line to get in. “My friends from work keep suggesting I check it out. I guess some of them went there over the holidays. They warned me there might be a bit of a wait, but said there’s a good selection of items to choose from—pasta, canned soup, rice—even stuff I’ve never tried before, like powdered milk. I hope it lives up to the hype.” At press time, sources reported the gas to Enders’ apartment had been cut off and she had decided to treat herself to a day at the local emergency warming center. ;)😃 The humor in that comes from the slight exaggeration of circumstances and perspective. The tragedy in that comes from the fact that it’s only a slight exaggeration of reality. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/444 "2019-01-25T17:32:17Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > What do they do when there aren’t any more planes? I dunno. That question is above my pay grade. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/445 "2019-01-25T17:45:00Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It would take a whopping 4 senators defecting to the democratic caucus to flip the senate. 4. That there aren’t 4 senators disgusted enough by Trump and McConnell’s behavior to do that is testament to how utterly fucked we all are. Four to pass the measure, but another 7 would be needed to override the veto. Your sentiment still stands, though. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/446 "2019-01-25T17:45:17Z")
Barring re-election (shudder) Trump has 2 years to complete MAGA!. He’s really kicking ass so far, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/447 "2019-01-25T18:11:30Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > Issuing flow restrictions or ground stops based on staffing is simply unprecedented. Naw, a few years back my plane wouldn’t leave because there were not enough scabs to load our luggage during the Northwest bag handler strike in MSP. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/448 "2019-01-25T18:42:43Z")
The shutdown is over. Trump caved. (For three weeks, but still…) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/449 "2019-01-25T18:48:09Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > There has been no design work done on the wall. Shit-for-brains simply put it out to bid to contractors. If you haven’t read it yet, [Amy Patrick (a court-accept wall expert)](https://www.facebook.com/apatrick/posts/10100902776405671) has an excellent summary of just some of the issues with his “plan”, and projects that the cost could go well over $50 billion before you even \*start \*adding in **yearly maintenance and personnel costs.** That’s an interesting point. How much does China spend on wall maintenance for their tourist attraction? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/450 "2019-01-25T18:51:44Z")
Sorry, cite: > **[Trump announces deal to end shutdown and temporarily reopen government](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/trump-will-speak-about-government-shutdown-at-white-house.html)** > > Trump threatened to let the government shut down again or declare a national emergency if lawmakers do not reach a deal he likes. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/451 "2019-01-25T19:01:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The shutdown is over. Trump caved. > > (For three weeks, but still…) > [@JohnT](#): > > Sorry, cite: > > [https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/trump-will-speak-about-government-shutdown-at-white-house.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/trump-will-speak-about-government-shutdown-at-white-house.html) So I guess now he’s going to nominate himself for a Nobel prize. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/452 "2019-01-25T19:02:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The shutdown is over. Trump caved. > > (For three weeks, but still…) For three weeks. I’m trying to imagine Trump calling for another shutdown in three weeks, and how McConnell would feel about backing his play that time. McConnell’s willingness to fuck over the country for partisan gain has surprised me before, but even so I have a hard time seeing him playing ball with the president on another go-round. Apparently, in regards to the government shutdown, he told fellow Republicans, [“There’s no education in the second kick of a mule.”](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/congress-mcconnell-no-need-second-mule-kick-flna8C11417530) Only he said that in 2013, in regard to the shutdown over ObamaCare. Surely he’d not see much education in the mule’s fifth kick. Right? Right? ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/453 "2019-01-25T19:07:08Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Naw, a few years back my plane wouldn’t leave because there were not enough scabs to load our luggage during the Northwest bag handler strike in MSP. Ha! I get your point, but baggage handlers aren’t federal employees, and the FAA wouldn’t have instituted formal traffic-management programs because an airline was having a labor dispute. Of course, air traffic controllers always get blamed for delays. If you’re ever on a plane and the pilot gets on the intercom and tells you there’s an “ATC delay,” he’s probably not telling you the truth. I’ve heard of pilots blaming ATC when they’ve been delayed by mechanical issues, or a mixup with the ground crew, or some other fault of the airline or the airport, not air traffic control. It’s funny to us, kinda. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/454 "2019-01-25T19:14:49Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Four to pass the measure, but another 7 would be needed to override the veto. Your sentiment still stands, though. If it comes to that, and it comes back to the senate to override the veto, and already done so in the house, then the shutdown fall squarely on the republican senators that vote against it. They have no cover or even fig leaf to hide behind. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/455 "2019-01-25T19:19:19Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > Current rules for providing air traffic services are “first come, first served.” ATC doesn’t prioritize based on aircraft size, or whether you’re an airliner opposed to a Cessna. Changing that would be a radical and massive upheaval in how ATC services are provided (and, as a matter of fact, one of the fears many have if the air traffic system is contracted out or privatized, rather than being a federally provided system as it is now). That’s what prompted my thought on that, actually. A friend suggested that the airlines hire ATC and run it themselves. I see this as a very suboptimal solution, even if necessary, and largely due to the fact that it would completely screw anyone that is not a major airline. That they take all comers first come first served is the current rules, and they are the rules that I would agree should stick around. My concern is that those rules get changed due to “necessity”. Maybe the airlines start charging for the service, and you start having to pay an ATC fee when you file your flight plan. That would be the _least_ disruptive way I can think of that playing out. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/456 "2019-01-25T19:26:00Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Barring re-election (shudder) Trump has 2 years to complete MAGA!. He’s really kicking ass so far, huh? When you consider the fact that America was pretty great to begin with, what he’s doing for the first term is turning America into a dystopian hellscape. I’d say he’s ahead of schedule on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/457 "2019-01-25T19:29:20Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Um, what? There is no end to his stupidity, but link please. Clearly a Trump version of Poe’s Law is required, in that no possible joke about his stupidity can be readily distinguished from his actual moments of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/458 "2019-01-25T19:53:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > For three weeks. I’m trying to imagine Trump calling for another shutdown in three weeks, and how McConnell would feel about backing his play that time. The suspicion is that he goes with the “national emergency” option at the end of three weeks instead of another shutdown. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/459 "2019-01-25T19:56:18Z")
I don’t think that’s a suspicion, he outright said he would. So this 3 week CR, this is the exact bill that failed yesterday? The one put forth by democrats? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/460 "2019-01-25T19:58:13Z")
“National Emergency” doesn’t get him his wall, though. The emergency itself will be challenged in courts, taking years. Presuming it goes in Individual-1’s favor, then property rights fights will take years as well. Also, efforts to build the wall on national park land will be challenged, as well as a whole host of other legal challenges which will happen. The challenges will take longer than Individual-1 has in the WH, even if Putin wins him another election. National Emergency = No Wall. Guarantee it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=24)