# Trump's Shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577 "2019-01-11T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/601 "2019-02-07T17:48:21Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Didn’t the party hacks already agree to marginal increases to the wall? And then Trump backed out of that deal? Idk. Trump is seeking a paltry amount that would result in a marginal increase to the wall, if any at all. > [@JohnT](#): > > Not as hilarious as posting that second-to-last line after the preceding 5 sentences. > > Your not getting your wall, Farnaby. Texas doesn’t want it, and what Texas doesn’t want, you’re not going to get. I’m glad to see an advocate of state nullification, even if you don’t apply it elsewhere. Don’t want a wall, not worked up about it. I have been against any kind immigration enforcement or deterrent besides ending subsidies to immigrants, and I remain so. I do find enjoyment in laughing at the pawns in both parties who are worked up over this. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Yes: we laugh at you and yours all the time. Oooh good comeback. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/602 "2019-02-07T17:55:01Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Oooh good comeback. It was. You should take notes. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/603 "2019-02-07T17:56:12Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Idk. Trump is seeking a paltry amount that would result in a marginal increase to the wall, if any at all. If the expenditure of $5.7 billion will result in little or no benefit, then why should we spend it? Oh, yeah… Those Russian-owned steel companies. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/604 "2019-02-07T18:17:14Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Idk. Trump is seeking a paltry amount that would result in a marginal increase to the wall, if any at all. Aren’t you a ‘taxation is theft’ guy? Bad enough to steal my money, but then to spend it something with only a marginal at best benefit? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/605 "2019-02-07T19:07:26Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Aren’t you a ‘taxation is theft’ guy? Bad enough to steal my money, but then to spend it something with only a marginal at best benefit? As long as _his_ money isn’t stolen, he doesn’t give a flying fuck. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/606 "2019-02-07T19:25:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > If the expenditure of $5.7 billion will result in little or no benefit, then why should we spend it? > > Oh, yeah… Those Russian-owned steel companies. :smack: We shouldn’t. It’s just funny that the hacks are up in arms over a few meters of wall. This is a marginal issue. > [@Folacin](#): > > Aren’t you a ‘taxation is theft’ guy? Bad enough to steal my money, but then to spend it something with only a marginal at best benefit? Yeah it’s just funny that people didn’t care about the wall we have had for years. Now that they are trying to increase it a bit, they say things like “no wall”, as if this was a Trump product. > [@running\_coach](#): > > As long as _his_ money isn’t stolen, he doesn’t give a flying fuck. No I advocate for less taxes on the rich and the poor. I am neither. You’ve just described most liberals I hear. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/607 "2019-02-07T19:32:41Z")
And yet $5-billion is [chump change](https://www.nationalpriorities.org/blog/2018/12/07/nine-things-buy-5-billion-instead-border-wall/) for you. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/608 "2019-02-07T19:34:47Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > as if this was a Trump product. Isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/609 "2019-02-07T19:41:29Z")
As I said the conman needs something to point to to keep the con going. If we give him that the country goes further down the con rabbit hole. We need to start climbing out. He’s already given the plot away insisting that whatever is agreed upon must be something he can “sell” as a wall. That’s all this is to him. Selling his marks on the con. Helping him do that hurts all of us. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/610 "2019-02-07T19:49:35Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > As I said the conman needs something to point to to keep the con going. If we give him that the country goes further down the con rabbit hole. We need to start climbing out. He’s already given the plot away insisting that whatever is agreed upon must be something he can “sell” as a wall. That’s all this is to him. Selling his marks on the con. Helping him do that hurts all of us. The best-case scenario is that the Dotard (guided by the people who have to deal with him in person and thus bear the brunt of his temper tantrums) is given some tangential aspect of border security that he can try to pass off as a “win” on the wall issue, but the right-wing media circus isn’t having any and loudly informs the marks that the Mango Messiah got pantsed by Pelosi again. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/611 "2019-02-07T20:02:21Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > We shouldn’t. It’s just funny that the hacks are up in arms over a few meters of wall. This is a marginal issue. If it’s a marginal issue, are you suggesting that Democrats capitulate to Trump, or that Trump should capitulate to the Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/612 "2019-02-07T20:13:14Z")
The reason Texas doesn’t want the wall is not because they’re into nullification, it is because the border in Texas is mostly privately owned land that would need to be appropriated via eminent domain. For people who have to balance “they’re coming for your wimmen!” vs. “The government is going to take your land”, the passion just isn’t as hot for the wall. Weren’t the existing sections built on public land, and sold as a drug-interdiction strategy? Now it is proposed on private land, and sold as a monument to hatred. There are distinctions here. I’m surprised this has gone on so long without the eminent domain aspect getting more attention. The plan is pretty much not feasible because of this, and that should be the end of it. But no, the deadline to have something ready to sign by the 15th is tomorrow, and I have not seen much in the way of a deal. Get ready for a Cat 5 stupid storm, folks. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/613 "2019-02-07T20:56:40Z")
I’d give him 5.7 billion for a wall. As long as we can give it to him “Amontillado” style. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/614 "2019-02-07T21:00:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > As long as we can give it to him “Amontillado” style. Trump cannot tell Amontillado from Sherry. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/615 "2019-02-07T21:08:36Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Trump cannot tell Amontillado from Sherry. Who is Sherry? Is she another daughter he doesn’t pay attention to, like Tiffany? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/616 "2019-02-07T21:20:21Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’d give him 5.7 billion for a wall. > > As long as we can give it to him “Amontillado” style. For the love of God, k9befriender! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/617 "2019-02-07T21:30:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > For the love of God, k9befriender! Yes, for the love of God! In pace requiescat! ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/618 "2019-02-07T21:34:38Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I’m thinking of a way to avoid Shutdown II (aka Oops, I’ve done it again) without building a wall. > > Trump keenly wants one so badly because he wants a monument (not legacy). I mean after all, he was asking NASA how much it would cost to put a man on Mars before the end of his first term. Here is what the Democrats offer:[ul] > [li]Yes, border is security is important, but the wall is expensive and useless.[/li][li]Therefore we are willing to spend more money on beefing up Border Patrol and ICE staffing.[/li][li](Here’s the part that will change Trump’s mind) On the back of their blue jackets instead of BORDER or ICE, it will say TRUMP.\*[/li][/ul]So whattaya think? Will if fly with Donny Two-scoops or not? > > \*In gold instead of yellow. And a giant statue of him at every port of entry. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/619 "2019-02-07T21:38:35Z")
Pelosi has already said there will be no wall money and there will be no further shut downs. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/620 "2019-02-07T22:05:02Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Pelosi has already said there will be no wall money and there will be no further shut downs. Leaving Trump with the only other option - stealing money from the military. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=32)