# Trump's Shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577 "2019-01-11T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/621 "2019-02-07T22:08:23Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > And a giant statue of him at every port of entry. Would he pose for a Colossus of Rhodes type statue? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/622 "2019-02-07T22:14:31Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Would he pose for a Colossus of Rhodes type statue? I would contribute 5 bucks to that, so long as the statue included someone’s shoe giving Trump a hearty kick in the nuts and his face reflecting all the pain that results. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/623 "2019-02-07T22:50:36Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > We shouldn’t. It’s just funny that the hacks are up in arms over a few meters of wall. This is a marginal issue. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > If it’s a marginal issue, are you suggesting that Democrats capitulate to Trump, or that Trump should capitulate to the Democrats? Neither, actually. He’s suggesting that ALL Democrats AND Republicans should spontaneously combust. Voluntarily, of course. Far be it from him to suggest that they be _coerced_ into anything… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/624 "2019-02-07T23:00:08Z")
WillFarnaby sez: “Trump is seeking a paltry amount that would result in a marginal increase to the wall, if any at all.” That’s weird, don’t you think? Because that is totally NOT what Trump promised his chanting, red-hatted morons on the campaign trail. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/625 "2019-02-07T23:21:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Neither, actually. He’s suggesting that ALL Democrats AND Republicans should spontaneously combust. > > Voluntarily, of course. Far be it from him to suggest that they be _coerced_ into anything… Also. Please stop live-quoting this poster, unless said poster submits something that meets the following criteria: 1.) It is factual. 2.) It is important for me to know. 3.) It is unlikely to be posted elsewhere, by someone else. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/626 "2019-02-08T15:54:52Z")
There are so many places to put this, but I decided to go with the current Shutdown/Wall thread because it is relevant on a lot of issues being touched on here: [‘My whole town practically lived there’: From Costa Rica to New Jersey, a pipeline of illegal workers for Trump goes back years](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/my-whole-town-practically-lived-there-from-costa-rica-to-new-jersey-a-pipeline-of-illegal-workers-for-trump-goes-back-years/2019/02/08/8cdbc1dc-2971-11e9-97b3-ae59fbae7960_story.html) > [@](#): > > The Washington Post spoke with 16 men and women from Costa Rica and other Latin American countries, including six in Santa Teresa de Cajon, who said they were employed at the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster. All of them said they worked for Trump without legal status — and that their managers knew. > > The former employees who still live in New Jersey provided pay slips documenting their work at the Bedminster club. They identified friends and relatives in Costa Rica who also were employed at the course. In Costa Rica, The Post located former workers in two regions who provided detailed accounts of their time at the Bedminster property and shared memorabilia they had kept, such as Trump-branded golf tees, as well as photos of themselves at the club. > > … > > Angulo learned to drive backhoes and bulldozers, carving water hazards and tee boxes out of former horse pastures in Bedminster, N.J., where a famous New Yorker was building a world-class course. Angulo earned $8 an hour, a fraction of what a state-licensed heavy equipment operator would make, with no benefits or overtime pay. But he stayed seven years on the grounds crew, saving enough for a small piece of land and some cattle back home. > > Now the 34-year-old lives with his wife and daughters in a sturdy house built by “Trump money,” as he put it, with a porch to watch the sun go down. > > It’s a common story in this small town. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/627 "2019-02-13T02:59:51Z")
In hopes of averting a second shutdown, democrats and republicans have come to a compromise deal on “wall”(?) :rolleyes: funding. Lisa Dejardins points out comcerns like documentation and appointments @ 2:53. > **[Why both parties are claiming victory on funding for border security](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-both-parties-are-claiming-victory-on-funding-for-border-security)** > > As members of Congress finally arrive at an agreement over how to fund border security and avoid another government shutdown, both Democrats and Republicans are claiming victory -- and fielding criticism that they caved. But with only three days... ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/628 "2019-02-13T03:34:22Z")
Since the first shutdown was not caused by Dems and Repubs not coming to consensus, but by Trump’s actions, this is still where we were 8 weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/629 "2019-02-13T04:15:11Z")
Of course. It’s just nice that a bi-parisan bill got to him first, this time, instead of Ann Coulter. He yapped tonight about not being happy with it but pleased with the direction they’re going (for whatever that BS is worth), so if he torpedoes things this time into another shutdown, I’ll bet Pepperidge Farms that this will be, by far, the harshest blow to Trump’s prezzzziduncy. YMMV at what may constitute “blow”, I spose, but it should be the biggest threat to his hold on his base. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/630 "2019-02-13T04:26:16Z")
To edit: (fuck this phone with edit function) I should say that it’s nice that this bi-partisan bill should carry more impact than Ann Coulter this time around. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/631 "2019-02-13T04:28:50Z")
… we hope. I do think Individual-1 will sign it, but I want to see it first. I just don’t trust him for some unknown reason… ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/632 "2019-02-13T04:40:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I just don’t trust him for some unknown reason… That IS weird. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/633 "2019-02-13T04:54:58Z")
I know, right? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/634 "2019-02-13T06:00:23Z")
Oh, he’ll sign it. And then add a scrawl at the bottom that says: “And yu will also give me billions of dolars for my big beutiful wall!” ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/635 "2019-02-13T17:24:20Z")
Hey, that’s what signing statements are for! ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/636 "2019-02-14T03:05:12Z")
Is there an over/under on whether he actually signs it? Our local newspaper’s headline is “Trump May Back Deal” but even Trump doesn’t know what he’s going to do until he does it. I give it a 40% chance of another fit of pique/shutdown. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/637 "2019-02-14T03:52:51Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > Is there an over/under on whether he actually signs it? Our local newspaper’s headline is “Trump May Back Deal” but even Trump doesn’t know what he’s going to do until he does it. I give it a 40% chance of another fit of pique/shutdown. The instant he sees someone calling him in print a loser or a coward or a lousy negotiator is the instant he decides to not sign the thing. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/638 "2019-02-14T12:00:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The instant he sees someone calling him in print a loser or a coward or a lousy negotiator is the instant he decides to not sign the thing. No, it’d have to be on TV. He doesn’t read. Otherwise, agree. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/639 "2019-02-14T12:39:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The instant he sees someone calling him in print a loser or a coward or a lousy negotiator is the instant he decides to not sign the thing. Unfortunately, he wanted 5.6-billion. The bipartisan bill that landed on his desk had 1.7-billion. Even though he said he would sign a bp bill, the talking heads at Faux News\* talked him into pulling a snit fit and rejecting it, closing down the government. Last time I looked, Congress was looking at offering 1.4-billion. All it will take is for someone on the list of people he listens to (a very short list) how it reflects poorly on his mad negotiation skilz to trigger another shutdown. McConnell _might_ tell him Congress (or at least the Senate) has no stomach for further chicanery, but he ain’t on the list. \*Who elided the second half off their motto: _Fair and balanced (my ass)_ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/640 "2019-02-14T13:01:04Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > Is there an over/under on whether he actually signs it? Our local newspaper’s headline is “Trump May Back Deal” but even Trump doesn’t know what he’s going to do until he does it. I give it a 40% chance of another fit of pique/shutdown. He’ll do whatever it takes to knock everything/everyone else out of the headlines and put him first. :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=33)