# Trump's Shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577 "2019-01-11T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/641 "2019-02-14T15:09:30Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > No, it’d have to be on TV. He doesn’t read. Otherwise, agree. Once Ann Coulter calls him a little bitch, govt shutdown #2 for the years starts. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/642 "2019-02-14T16:02:15Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > The reason Texas doesn’t want the wall is not because they’re into nullification, it is because the border in Texas is mostly privately owned land that would need to be appropriated via eminent domain. For people who have to balance “they’re coming for your wimmen!” vs. “The government is going to take your land”, the passion just isn’t as hot for the wall. > > Weren’t the existing sections built on public land, and sold as a drug-interdiction strategy? Now it is proposed on private land, and sold as a monument to hatred. There are distinctions here. > > I’m surprised this has gone on so long without the eminent domain aspect getting more attention. The plan is pretty much not feasible because of this, and that should be the end of it. > > But no, the deadline to have something ready to sign by the 15th is tomorrow, and I have not seen much in the way of a deal. Get ready for a Cat 5 stupid storm, folks. Actually, I dealt with the eminent domain issue in Banned Erudite’s thread about the air traffic controllers [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=869637) and [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21455731) and [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21456537&postcount=93). ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/643 "2019-02-14T17:32:32Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Unfortunately, he wanted 5.6-billion. Actually if I recall correctly, in the initial negotiations he was just asking for 5.0 billion. He upped to to 5.6 after he rejected the offer presumably thinking the government shutdown somehow gave him more leverage. But also indicating that he really didn’t have a plan and was just pulling numbers out of his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/644 "2019-02-14T18:14:40Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Idk. Trump is seeking a paltry amount that would result in a marginal increase to the wall, if any at all. Just pay the Danegeld. It’s not very much money, after all, and I’m sure that this will be the only money that is ever requested… Just give in this one time. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/645 "2019-02-14T20:04:21Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Since the first shutdown was not caused by Dems and Repubs not coming to consensus, but by Trump’s actions, this is still where we were 8 weeks ago. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > To edit: (fuck this phone with edit function) > I should say that it’s nice that this bi-partisan bill should carry more impact than Ann Coulter this time around. > [@JohnT](#): > > … we hope. > > I do think Individual-1 will sign it, but I want to see it first. I just don’t trust him for some unknown reason… > [@Fugazi](#): > > That IS weird. > [@JohnT](#): > > I know, right? 😕 I mean, there was just [something…](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/donald-trump-wall-funding-bill/index.html) > [@](#): > > **Trump aides now fret he won’t sign funding bill** > > President Donald Trump’s aides now say they are less certain he will sign a bipartisan spending compromise that doesn’t include the money he demanded for a border wall – a major shift from earlier this week when officials indicated privately that he would. > > As Congress prepares to vote on the measure, advisers say Trump has grown increasingly concerned about what’s contained in the 1,100-page legislation that was released late Wednesday evening. > > As more details about the package have emerged, conservative figures in Trump’s orbit have voiced new displeasure at the bill. That includes Fox host Laura Ingraham, who tweeted earlier Thursday that Trump should not sign it. > > … > > The President tweeted midday he was “reviewing the funding bill with my team.” > > These sources cautioned that the President has not made a final decision yet about signing the bill, though he will likely have to do so before the votes in the Senate and the House. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/646 "2019-02-14T20:11:47Z")
So, a few minutes ago, McConnell went on the Senate floor, said Trump will sign the bill and issue his Emergency Declaration, which Mitchy now supports: > ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/647 "2019-02-14T20:19:49Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, a few minutes ago, McConnell went on the Senate floor, said Trump will sign the bill and issue his Emergency Declaration, which Mitchy now supports: > > [https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1096138757118611458](https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1096138757118611458) So… Trump will declare an emergency because he just signed a bill designed to work on the issue. So now there’s an emergency. Because there is a bi-partisan bill now signed. An emergency that just arose, even though illegal border crossings have been dropping, and actual border patrol officials say there is no emergency. And the MAGA-capped Numpties will think this is normal. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/648 "2019-02-14T20:21:52Z")
Probably not, but they also won’t give a shit that it is not normal, because WALL! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/649 "2019-02-14T21:06:15Z")
Not so much because WALL!, but because “Trump makes the libbies mad!” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/650 "2019-02-14T21:07:20Z")
They will believe it shows the restraint he’s been showing for his entire time in office and that the Dems have forced his hand finally. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/651 "2019-02-14T21:19:34Z")
Maybe the emergency is that the Dems and Pubbies got together on something, however tenuously and grudgingly. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/652 "2019-02-14T21:57:39Z")
The spectacle of reading reports that Mitch McConnell said in congress that he will support the emergency declaration, does look to me like many Republicans have decided that is is a great idea to tell loudly and to the four winds that they are officially Trump’s bitches. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/653 "2019-02-14T22:16:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, a few minutes ago, McConnell went on the Senate floor, said Trump will sign the bill and issue his Emergency Declaration, which Mitchy now supports: > > [https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1096138757118611458](https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1096138757118611458) In response, my favorite Tweet today was from Steve Vladeck - “Separation of parties, not powers…”. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/654 "2019-02-14T23:58:12Z")
The national emergency was announced by Sarah Sanders in a screencap of a statement written with the iPhone Notes app, a format known as the preferred method for [celebrities to write apologies](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/style/notes-app-celebrity-statements.html) after a fuck up. She even managed to add a random dot in the middle, apparently when she was cropping her screen capture. From Twitter, “this is the way the world ends; not with a bang but a statement written in the notes app.” ---
**Author:** ![Dropo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@Dropo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dropo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/655 "2019-02-15T00:48:27Z")
That McConnell was willing to cave is hardly surprising, but the real question is why. My total guess is that Trump said he wouldn’t sign the funding bill unless Bitch – sorry, Mitch – supported the National Emergency declaration. That left MM with an unsavory choice: no bill signing and another shutdown to drag Republicans down or caving. I think the latter comes with a guarantee of a Congressional vote because Democrats in the House will pass a joint resolution opposing it. That will mandate judgment in the Senate, meaning MM will not be able to spare Republicans there an uncomfortable vote, which violates his whole MO of running the place. At this point, it’s (a little) less than clear the declaration will pass the Senate. What happens if the House passes it and the Senate votes it down? I would guess that’s the same as it not passing at all, but I’m not sure. One thing’s certain: no matter what, it’s not Trump’s fault and his standing with his dipshit supporters will be unaffected. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/656 "2019-02-15T01:43:44Z")
I would like to see how the reallocation of disaster funds plays out. Take California; the recent Paradise fire was in the House district 1, which is a Republican held district. Is Trump going to punish his voters there so he can build another couple of miles of fence? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/657 "2019-02-15T01:53:11Z")
Vox has a new article, [Trump wants the military to build the border wall. It might not be legal](https://www.vox.com/2019/2/14/18225421/trump-national-emergency-border-wall-military) making the case that Trump wants to use $21B in unallocated military construction funds. He is basing this on existing law. > [@](#): > > The key law in question is the appropriately named **“Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency.** ” Here’s what it says: > > _In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated._ ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/658 "2019-02-15T02:41:02Z")
Interesting. Military families living on the streets. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/659 "2019-02-15T03:23:41Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Interesting. Military families living on the streets. Yes, but that way they can participate in more easily and enjoy the parades more! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/660 "2019-02-15T05:02:51Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Interesting. Military families living on the streets. Hell, send them down to the border to work with the service members; the kids can fetch and carry and earn their damn keep doing something useful, and the wifeys can tend to their menfolks’ needs. No more of this lolling about on government handouts! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=34)