# Trump's Shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577 "2019-01-11T06:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/61 "2019-01-12T05:22:54Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Fuck that. Get out in the street. Wouldn’t that just make us look like we are hurting? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/62 "2019-01-12T07:02:03Z")
From the flip-flop-of-the-day dept.: President Ultimate King of the Shittiest of Motherfuckers said that he appreciated the fact that the federal workers support what he’s doing\*, despite last week yakking about the Feds as democrats whom he basically didn’t have any time for. At [@5:09](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/as-federal-workers-miss-first-paycheck-of-the-year-trump-says-he-has-their-support) \*aw, so endearing of him to so humbly, so…_selflessly_…acknowledge the Fed’s steadfast and true fealty to him, and that he’s got it all under control. I can only hope he had on the ultra-lovable ear-to-ear smile when he said that. (such self-satisfaction would never have been so heart-cockle-warming) After Yamiche Lucindor (bit of a go-to source lately) elaborates on measures Feds are taking to get by (U.I.; awesome help already from food banks), she mentions that, lo and behold, actual seeds of actual (no, _not_ Collins-lite) :eek:republican dissent:eek: might be afoot!!! Marco Rubio is possibly facing the threat of really taking it in the yarbles with the 14 billion dollar Florida disaster aid _yank_ being considered by the White House. Of course if it was a different state, he wouldn’t have angrily tweeted (@ 7:00 in same vid) that he’d do everything he can do to overthrow such a decision, so at least there’s something to be said for interior rot beginning to start (along with Murkowski’s speech today, @ 3:34) (yeah yeah Murks can be flip-floppy too, but who knows - maybe she might start getting more pissed off) Texas is also a target of this disaster aid withdrawal threat, so wouldn’t John Cornyn’s nose be getting a little bent out of shape over it? Or how about Don’s old pal, Ted\*? Kinda nice if there’s actual traction here, for once. Maybe a Republican’s daughter or relative or associate or barber - whose business has gone down because of the shutdown - directly affects, in some way, a couple of these venal fat-cats enough to eventually start piping up about it. Wow to hit that fucking tipping point where the rot starts to take hold. Yeah, I know - dream on. \*Ack - blanking on what He of the Aquiline Nose would indignantly tweet at El Cheetolini ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/63 "2019-01-12T07:04:51Z")
These people have learned how to make money from the federal government. They are not going to like the gravy train coming to a stop. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/64 "2019-01-12T07:11:09Z")
> [@digs](#): > > As a former Libertarian raised by Libertarians and sent to a Libertarian college where I pledged a Libertarian Fraternity full of, you guessed it, Libertarians… > > A Libertarian government would _never_ work. > > Seriously, the president of my college envisioned a utopia where someone breaks into your house and you have a choice of private sector police forces to call. > > “I think I’ll call Citizen-Guard™, they have a special this week…and I have a coupon!” SOMEBODY hasn’t read his Ayn Rand. According to her, police, military and the courts were the exceptions to privatization for exactly this reason; i.e., competition would be counter-productive. ---
**Author:** ![Walton\_Firm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/45deac/32.png) [@Walton\_Firm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walton_Firm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/65 "2019-01-12T11:50:29Z")
Ayn Rand did not consider herself a libertarian and did not have a high opinion of libertarians; she called them “the hippies of the right”. That said, what **digs** describes sounds more like anarcho-capitalism than classical libertarianism. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/66 "2019-01-12T12:28:49Z")
This started out as thump’s shutdown, but it’s morphing into McConnell’s shutdown. I believe there will soon be enough votes (if there aren’t already) to override a presidential veto IF McConnell would introduce a bill to reopen the gummint without wall funding. When The Wall was a hypothetical construct somewhere down in the godless wasteland that is south Texas and California, yeah, sure, tell your Senator that you’re all for it and back up the Big Cheeto. But when you and your family and your employer are getting bitten in the ass from the shutdown fallout, well, that’s too close to home. I think that’s where the cracks will appear. The question is, will McConnell respond to pressure from is colleagues when that starts to happen? Who knows what goes on in his reptilian brain? ---
**Author:** ![catflea12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@catflea12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catflea12)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/67 "2019-01-12T13:05:56Z")
Could McConnell be removed from his position in the Senate so a vote could take place? Maybe that should happen. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/68 "2019-01-12T14:49:00Z")
Something involving a large cannon and a target on the moon, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/69 "2019-01-12T15:00:36Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > The longer he waits to declare an emergency, the less it looks like an emergency. > > Then again, he’s already waited 2 years… Actually, I think he wants a major emergency. Anything to divert attention from the 17-18 investigations going on. Or he’s just a venal, stupid, clueless, temper tantrum throwing toddler. Gonna pick door number two. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/70 "2019-01-12T15:30:34Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Actually, I think he wants a major emergency. Anything to divert attention from the 17-18 investigations going on. > > Or he’s just a venal, stupid, clueless, temper tantrum throwing toddler. > > Gonna pick door number two. por que’ no los dos? ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/71 "2019-01-12T15:35:40Z")
Among the many, many insane aspects of this shutdown: it was ostensibly intended to get Trump a border wall to solve the problem of illegal immigration. However, the shutdown means that Immigration Court is closed except for a skeleton crew handling cases for detained people. So the vast majority of deportation hearings are not moving forward until further notice. Here in Chicago, Immigration Court is about 4 years backlogged anyway, so even people who want their cases to move forward (they think they have a winnable asylum application, for example) can’t do anything. Also, E-Verify, the online system by which employers can check whether the documents proving legal work authorization that new hires present to them are legit, is [not working.](https://www.e-verify.gov/employers) Makes perfect sense, right? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/72 "2019-01-12T15:51:13Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > Among the many, many insane aspects of this shutdown: it was ostensibly intended to get Trump a border wall to solve the problem of illegal immigration. However, the shutdown means that Immigration Court is closed except for a skeleton crew handling cases for detained people. So the vast majority of deportation hearings are not moving forward until further notice. Here in Chicago, Immigration Court is about 4 years backlogged anyway, so even people who want their cases to move forward (they think they have a winnable asylum application, for example) can’t do anything. > > Also, E-Verify, the online system by which employers can check whether the documents proving legal work authorization that new hires present to them are legit, is [not working.](https://www.e-verify.gov/employers) > Makes perfect sense, right? Also the Coast Guard and TSA… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/73 "2019-01-12T16:03:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Walton Firm** : > > Ayn Rand did not consider herself a libertarian and did not have a high opinion of libertarians; she called them “the hippies of the right”. Makes sense. Libertarians believe that if there were no rules, everyone would magically get along, thanks to divine intervention from the god Free Market, and so it’d be good for everyone. Ayn Rand believes that if there were no rules, it’d be good for her and a few people like her at the expense of everyone else, because Screw Them. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/74 "2019-01-12T16:08:07Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Also the Coast Guard and TSA… Yeah. There is an 8,500 civilian work force that supports the Coast Guard. They where told to have garage sales. [“Stay in charge of the situation by getting a clear understanding of what’s happening.”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/09/coast-guard-families-told-they-can-have-garage-sales-cope-with-government-shutdown/?utm_term=.7c10a238a770) Hahahahahh. The ‘Coasties’ would never be able to navigate the swamp that Trump has created. Nor can anyone else. (I have great respect for the CG. I have a nephew in law that worked the waters off of the coast of Alaska). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/75 "2019-01-12T16:39:14Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > …I believe there will soon be enough votes (if there aren’t already) to override a presidential veto IF McConnell would introduce a bill to reopen the gummint without wall funding… That is why he won’t bring the House bill to a vote. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/76 "2019-01-12T16:45:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That is why he won’t bring the House bill to a vote. Which led to this question > [@catflea12](#): > > Could McConnell be removed from his position in the Senate so a vote could take place? Maybe that should happen. which was addressed in another thread, but I can’t find it offhand… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/77 "2019-01-12T16:58:17Z")
The fact that McConnell is handing the entire power of the Senate over to a man who is being investigated as a security threat for working for the benefit of Russia must be stated over and over and over again. McConnell is shitting on the constitution, and is preventing the Legislative Branch of government from doing their job. At this point the question has to be asked: Why is McConnell doing this, and what exactly does Russia have on him? ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/78 "2019-01-12T18:21:18Z")
> [@catflea12](#): > > Could McConnell be removed from his position in the Senate so a vote could take place? Maybe that should happen. It has become increasingly clear over the last ten years that the American government just doesn’t work. I’ve often wondered at what point the government would literally cease to function. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/79 "2019-01-12T21:10:00Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > These people have learned how to make money from the federal government. They are not going to like the gravy train coming to a stop. Yeah and there are 800,000 of them! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577/80 "2019-01-12T21:23:21Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yeah and there are 800,000 of them! Yeah! How dare those air traffic controllers do such incredibly easy, low-stress, and purpose-free work at such astronomical public salaries? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-shutdown/827577.md?page=5)