# Trump's treatment of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 29, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587 "2020-03-29T14:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/21 "2020-03-30T17:47:17Z")
Yeah, he’s pretty much the living embodiment of the seven deadly sins. Plus ignorance, which isn’t a sin, but sometimes should be. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/22 "2020-03-30T18:53:03Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I thinks he’s about to ruthlessly punish the states that hate him, using government response funding, and delays etc. > Very ‘Quid pro quo’ almost. Exactly, he is actively using the federal government to attack blue state Americans. It’s an act of terrorism, and his base loves it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/23 "2020-03-30T20:51:50Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Exactly, he is actively using the federal government to attack blue state Americans. It’s an act of terrorism, and his base loves it. Right, and that’s because his base believe he’s thus “hurting the people he should hurt”, i.e. the people _they_ hate. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/24 "2020-03-30T21:32:52Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > Yeah, he’s pretty much the living embodiment of the seven deadly sins. Plus ignorance, which isn’t a sin, but sometimes should be. “So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.” Bertrand Russell ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/25 "2020-03-30T22:11:31Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > “So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.” > > Bertrand Russell Russell doesn’t know the Bible very well. With Solomon being a prominent figure and well-known for wisdom, you’d figure that there would be passages mentioning intelligence in a positive way, and sure enough there is. **1 Kings 4:29-38** \*29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore. 30 And Solomon’s wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about. 32 And he spake three thousand proverbs: and his songs were a thousand and five. 33 And he spake of trees, from the cedar tree that is in Lebanon even unto the hyssop that springeth out of the wall: he spake also of beasts, and of fowl, and of creeping things, and of fishes. 34 And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom.\* (King James Version) Maybe it’s not praised to the extent of virtues like compassion, honesty, and faithfulness, but intelligence is looked upon favorably in the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/26 "2020-03-30T22:18:26Z")
Kings is not one of the Gospels. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/27 "2020-03-30T22:31:06Z")
Wisdom is not intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/28 "2020-03-30T23:07:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wisdom is not intelligence. It’s like some people never played D&D! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/29 "2020-03-30T23:08:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wisdom is not intelligence. Correct. Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing you never add tomato to fruit salad. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/30 "2020-03-30T23:22:26Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Whitmer has been critical of Trump since early on in this crisis. That’s all it takes for him to blindly attack and belittle like a 10-year-old who has not yet reached any level of maturity. > > Also, she is a woman. > mmm > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I think it’s down to two things. First, the easy one: He can’t stand strong women who stand up to him. Governor Whitmer embodies that. > . Speaking of, I can’t be the only one that noticed that the ONLY CEO he was compelled to publicly denigrate was Mary Barra. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/31 "2020-03-30T23:49:32Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Exactly, he is actively using the federal government to attack blue state Americans. It’s an act of terrorism, and his base loves it. Trump should have paid attention to his infinitely superior predecessor: > [@](#): > > The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too: We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States, and, yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. People aren’t going to forgive a “president” who played partisan politics with the lives of relatives and friends. Americans. Not every republican is an immoral assgoblin, even if it sometimes seems that way. Yes, even Trump can go too far. There will be a reckoning. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/32 "2020-03-31T00:01:40Z")
> [@Lancia](#): > > Agree with all of this. But… why Michigan? The governor is a woman and Trump hates powerful, self-confident women. Worse yet, she dared to be critical of him and his performance. Therefore she must be punished. And her constituents must be punished. And no, I’m not being sarcastic or satirical - it really is because she is a woman that he double-down. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/33 "2020-03-31T00:08:06Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Speaking of, I can’t be the only one that noticed that the ONLY CEO he was compelled to publicly denigrate was Mary Barra. \ You aren’t. There’s not a woman in this country who should be sitting out this election in the face of his bald misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/34 "2020-03-31T00:27:26Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > \ You aren’t. > > There’s not a woman in this country who should be sitting out this election in the face of his bald misogyny. What he’s done to and said about Whitmer and Barra can become part of the ad that I hope runs over and over showing Trump for what he is: “You can grab’m by the p…” “She’s bleeding out of her whatever” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/35 "2020-03-31T00:31:11Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Kings is not one of the Gospels. Fair enough. My objection to the quote is invalid for that case. Though of course the Gospels are only a relatively small part of the Bible and wisdom is touched upon in other parts of the New Testament, so I’m not sure that quote has much meaning. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wisdom is not intelligence. > [@Locrian](#): > > Correct. Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. > > Wisdom is knowing you never add tomato to fruit salad. It’s impossible to be wise without intelligence. Wisdom is using experience and knowledge in a productive manner, and intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. It’s really difficult to differentiate the two (despite efforts of RPG designers) and for most purposes they are interchangeable terms. A person lacking intelligence will never be able to learn and thus will never gain wisdom. It’s a meaningless distinction. Your definition here between wisdom and intelligence doesn’t correspond to any scholarly cites I can find, it seems fairly neologistic (again, maybe inspired by RPGs)? The Bible often defines wisdom in a narrow way, in that it is derived from God and is separate from secular wisdom. But Solomon is described explicitly as being knowledgeable about secular things (hence the listing of various worldly kinds of expertise in the passages I cited). ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/36 "2020-03-31T00:38:34Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Trump should have paid attention to his infinitely superior predecessor: > > People aren’t going to forgive a “president” who played partisan politics with the lives of relatives and friends. Americans. Not every republican is an immoral assgoblin, even if it sometimes seems that way. Yes, even Trump can go too far. There will be a reckoning. Every Republican is a mixture of stupid and evil; some are more stupid than evil and some are more evil than stupid. Combined, they are some of the worst people on earth. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/37 "2020-03-31T01:41:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Fair enough. My objection to the quote is invalid for that case. Though of course the Gospels are only a relatively small part of the Bible and wisdom is touched upon in other parts of the New Testament, so I’m not sure that quote has much meaning. > > It’s impossible to be wise without intelligence. Wisdom is using experience and knowledge in a productive manner, and intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. It’s really difficult to differentiate the two (despite efforts of RPG designers) and for most purposes they are interchangeable terms. A person lacking intelligence will never be able to learn and thus will never gain wisdom. It’s a meaningless distinction. Your definition here between wisdom and intelligence doesn’t correspond to any scholarly cites I can find, it seems fairly neologistic (again, maybe inspired by RPGs)? > > The Bible often defines wisdom in a narrow way, in that it is derived from God and is separate from secular wisdom. But Solomon is described explicitly as being knowledgeable about secular things (hence the listing of various worldly kinds of expertise in the passages I cited). And what are the many great examples of Solomon’s wisdom in the Bible? The ones that can inspire? Not hacking a child into parts for the sake of justice? Or collecting endless wealth beyond any measure? Other than that, I don’t remember any wise thing attributed to him in the book. By the way, his temple builders thought that Pi was exactly three. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/38 "2020-03-31T01:53:02Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > And what are the many great examples of Solomon’s wisdom in the Bible? The ones that can inspire? Not hacking a child into parts for the sake of justice? Or collecting endless wealth beyond any measure? Other than that, I don’t remember any wise thing attributed to him in the book. By the way, his temple builders thought that Pi was exactly three. I don’t know why I remember it right now, but my grandma had a song about Solomon that expressed the wisest thought I ever heard from Solomon :D: \*Salomon der Weise spricht Laute Fürze stinken nicht Aber diese leisen weichen Die so durch die Hose schleichen Diese stinken fürchterlich! Solomon the Wise One speaks Loud farts don’t stink But these silent soft ones That just sneak through the pants Those stink horribly!\* Sadly, this tale is extra-biblical… (sorry, my grandma was a funny woman. And a pious one!) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/39 "2020-03-31T02:07:03Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > And what are the many great examples of Solomon’s wisdom in the Bible? The ones that can inspire? Not hacking a child into parts for the sake of justice? Or collecting endless wealth beyond any measure? Other than that, I don’t remember any wise thing attributed to him in the book. By the way, his temple builders thought that Pi was exactly three. They don’t get specific, that I recall. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/40 "2020-03-31T06:16:01Z")
Solomon did not “hack apart a child for the sake of Justice.” The story makes it clear he had no such intention. His wisdom was knowing the child’s true mother would surrender her child rather than have it die. _Quod erat demonstromom._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587.md?page=3)