# Trump's treatment of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 29, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587 "2020-03-29T14:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/41 "2020-03-31T07:11:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Solomon did not “hack apart a child for the sake of Justice.” The story makes it clear he had no such intention. His wisdom was knowing the child’s true mother would surrender her child rather than have it die. _Quod erat demonstromom._ > [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > And what are the many great examples of Solomon’s wisdom in the Bible? The ones that can inspire? \*\*Not \*\*hacking a child into parts for the sake of justice? Or collecting endless wealth beyond any measure? Other than that, I don’t remember any wise thing attributed to him in the book. By the way, his temple builders thought that Pi was exactly three. Please note that I wrote NOT hacking a child into parts. I know my(?) Bible quite well ;). ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/42 "2020-03-31T07:18:13Z")
Too late to edit: I just don’t find that special story very impressive. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/43 "2020-03-31T07:25:00Z")
Well this thread took a strange turn. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/44 "2020-03-31T13:10:28Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > And what are the many great examples of Solomon’s wisdom in the Bible? The ones that can inspire? Not hacking a child into parts for the sake of justice? The wisdom was in knowing how his threat to do so would be received by the two complainants. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/45 "2020-03-31T13:29:52Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > And what are the many great examples of Solomon’s wisdom in the Bible? The ones that can inspire? Not hacking a child into parts for the sake of justice? Or collecting endless wealth beyond any measure? Other than that, I don’t remember any wise thing attributed to him in the book. By the way, his temple builders thought that Pi was exactly three. Honestly, Solomon doesn’t get much face time in the Bible. Compared to his father, Sol lived a fairly uneventful life - no adventures, no wars, just construction projects, concubines and coin. The book says he’s wise, gives an example, and moves on. What more do you want? As for the pi thing, are you really blaming a pre-Euclidean culture for not knowing Euclidean geometry? Maybe you’ll also accuse the Temple of having lousy wi-fi service. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/46 "2020-03-31T13:38:53Z")
I’ll attempt to get the thread back on track: Michigander here. In my opinion Governer Whitmer has shown 1000% more leadership during the CV crisis than Trump. Not that it’s surprising or shocking anymore, but his insulting nicknames like ‘“half” Whitmer’, his constant contradictions, and his self-aggrandizing behaviors, like bragging about his press conference ratings, stand out in even sharper relief during this crisis. It’s astounding and horrifying. I know presidents get an automatic, temporary popularity boost during times of crisis, but I can’t believe his behavior during this pandemic is considered acceptable at any level, let alone a majority approving of his handling of the crisis. [History’s Verdict on Trump Will Be Devastating (CNN Op-Ed)](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/opinions/history-verdict-on-trump-devastating-dantonio/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/47 "2020-03-31T13:39:05Z")
WTF does Solomon even matter? I’d hazard most Christians focus almost exclusively on the Pentateuch and the Gospels (and maybe a few Psalms). To the extent they look at the rest, it’s not often and not usually in much depth. So, you know…origin story plus Jesus and his new covenant and all that jazz. If a person has memorized any passage from the Bible or taught about any particular bits, it’s overwhelmingly likely it is from one of those. But what does that even have to do with yet another example of Trump’s obvious misogyny and infantile treatment of the governor of one of the larger states in the country? ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/48 "2020-03-31T14:25:34Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > WTF does Solomon even matter? I’d hazard most Christians focus almost exclusively on the Pentateuch and the Gospels (and maybe a few Psalms). To the extent they look at the rest, it’s not often and not usually in much depth. So, you know…origin story plus Jesus and his new covenant and all that jazz. If a person has memorized any passage from the Bible or taught about any particular bits, it’s overwhelmingly likely it is from one of those. > > But what does that even have to do with yet another example of Trump’s obvious misogyny and infantile treatment of the governor of one of the larger states in the country? It has nothing whatsoever to do with it. However, you are wrong about what Christians focus on. Of course they emphasize the new testament (being, you know, Christian), but mainstream churches make a big effort to cover the whole of the Jewish canon too, at least in liturgy. Trump’s morals and ethics couldn’t fill the brain of a virus. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/49 "2020-03-31T14:35:05Z")
Can we take the Bible discussion elsewhere possibly? The topic of this thread is actually of interest to me, so whenever I see a new post, I return, only to discover nothing on-topic has been contributed. TIA. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/50 "2020-03-31T14:37:14Z")
> [@Lancia](#): > > Agree with all of this. But… why Michigan? Its a pretty critical swing state and he only just barely won it in 2016. Yes, he’s vindictive and cruel and only gives a shit about himself. So to that end he should be shitting on California or another solidly blue state and not some state that has a very real chance of contributing to his electoral loss. I thought the standard MO, even for him, was to pander to swing states. > > Maybe it’s as simple as stupidity. He is shitting on Washington, NY, and California, too. He’s got a lot of shit. It spreads. His fans… my gosh - is this really the person they want? Don’t they want someone who will be President for the whole US, not just the parts that like him? Do they think this is a good thing for a President (not a King, a President?) Do they not realize that this isn’t what happened with any other President? And what is wrong with them? Are they that morally bankrupt? I know the answers to those questions - but it still astounds me how just banally evil and small so much of the populace seems to be. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/51 "2020-03-31T15:07:46Z")
I think that a lot of Trump’s supporters don’t expect the President to be a leader. They’ve been told repeatedly that the government doesn’t do anything, or at least not anything good, so why should it be lead? They only expect him to be a figurehead. Which would be fine (at least, less unfine) if the Presidency were in fact a figurehead position. Unfortunately for all of us who have to live in reality, however, it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/52 "2020-03-31T15:11:51Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Do they think this is a good thing for a President (not a King, a President?) Hell, it’s not even a good thing for a king. Kings have been deposed or “suddenly taken ill” for less. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/53 "2020-03-31T15:31:39Z")
> [@solost](#): > > Michigander here. In my opinion Governer Whitmer has shown 1000% more leadership during the CV crisis than Trump. I think a number of governors have done a great job. My governor in the State of Washington is generally not someone you get excited about one way or the other, but I think he has really stepped up in this crisis and shown real initiative and leadership. I am glad we have a system where if one layer of government is lacking, another can pick up the slack. It helps us get through things like a Trump presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/54 "2020-03-31T16:21:06Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Hell, it’s not even a good thing for a king. Kings have been deposed or “suddenly taken ill” for less. I wonder if Trump has an official taster… ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/55 "2020-03-31T17:25:11Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > I wonder if Trump has an official taster… You know, I read that as “TASER” the first time I read it. I guess that begs the question: Can bronzer conduct electricity? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/56 "2020-03-31T17:26:10Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > He is shitting on Washington, NY, and California, too. > He’s got a lot of shit. It spreads. > > His fans… my gosh - is this really the person they want? Yes, it absolutely is. Trumpists don’t love Trump because they can’t see him for who he is. They love him because they can. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/57 "2020-03-31T18:09:05Z")
Yeah, Trump has given them permission to be as awful as they truly are. It’s why I think his base will never abandon him, they’d have to reckon with who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/58 "2020-03-31T18:32:51Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > You know, I read that as “TASER” the first time I read it. > I guess that begs the question: Can bronzer conduct electricity? The gold-plated Trump Taser would be “the greatest taser ever, seriously folks, it will zap like no other” and would probably feel like a joy buzzer. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/59 "2020-03-31T19:13:25Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think a number of governors have done a great job. My governor in the State of Washington is generally not someone you get excited about one way or the other, but I think he has really stepped up in this crisis and shown real initiative and leadership. I am glad we have a system where if one layer of government is lacking, another can pick up the slack. It helps us get through things like a Trump presidency. Unless your next layer is Florida (can’t cancel spring break!) or Mississippi (where the governor overrode various mayors’ shelter in place orders). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587/60 "2020-03-31T20:03:06Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Unless your next layer is Florida (can’t cancel spring break!) or Mississippi (where the governor overrode various mayors’ shelter in place orders). Yeah, not every state is doing so well unfortunately. ☹ “Shelter in place” and “stick your head in the sand” do not mean the same thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-treatment-of-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer/850587.md?page=4)