# Trump's trial just ended--let's predict the verdict! (Verdict is Guilty on All Counts May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 29, 2024, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224 "2024-05-29T11:01:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![2gigch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/2gigch1/32/3313_2.png) [@2gigch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2gigch1)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/81 "2024-05-30T22:13:40Z")
10 hours of deliberation. 34 counts. 17 minutes deliberation per count on average. That seems pretty speedy for a trial of such repercussions. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/82 "2024-05-30T22:15:04Z")
Not really. This was the sort of case where if you could find your way to guilty on the first count, that pretty much decided the rest of the counts. The fact pattern was identical for all. ---
**Author:** ![2gigch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/2gigch1/32/3313_2.png) [@2gigch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2gigch1)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/83 "2024-05-30T22:16:49Z")
Certainly not a complaint. Seems to indicate there wasn’t much disagreement on the substance. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/84 "2024-05-30T22:17:42Z")
I don’t think there ever was. The system worked. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ajaye](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ajaye/32/17180_2.png) [@ajaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ajaye)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/85 "2024-05-30T22:19:51Z")
THIS is the first thing I thought of when I heard. ---
**Author:** ![2gigch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/2gigch1/32/3313_2.png) [@2gigch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2gigch1)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/86 "2024-05-30T22:20:40Z")
Hey man, I’m an optimist by heart… but I have been _really_ disappointed for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/87 "2024-05-30T22:26:46Z")
Since all sources say prison time is “unlikely,” is it going to be mainly a hefty fine? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/88 "2024-05-30T22:27:28Z")
With good reason, I’m sad to say. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/89 "2024-05-30T22:34:27Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Since all sources say prison time is “unlikely,” is it going to be mainly a hefty fine ? Probation ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/90 "2024-05-30T22:36:54Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > > [@Velocity](#): > > > > Since all sources say prison time is “unlikely,” is it going to be mainly a hefty fine ? > > Probation. Followed swiftly by violation of conditions. Followed even more swiftly by a move to Rikers. (I live in hope) ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/91 "2024-05-30T22:50:57Z")
Wow! I didn’t expect it that fast. And I’m glad my guess was wrong. Catturd may have exploded. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/92 "2024-05-30T22:59:54Z")
Imagine being Donald Trump’s probation officer. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/93 "2024-05-30T23:07:36Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Since all sources say prison time is “unlikely,” is it going to be mainly a hefty fine? Of what? He’s running out of dough. > [@2gigch1](#): > > Hey man, I’m an optimist by heart… but I have been _really_ disappointed for a long time. Well put. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Imagine being Donald Trump’s probation officer. That might actually be kinda fun. Stock up on air freshener though. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/94 "2024-05-30T23:11:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Since all sources say prison time is “unlikely,” is it going to be mainly a hefty fine? I think Judge Merchan is going to surprise you. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/95 "2024-05-30T23:14:57Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’m not so sure about that. I think if he’s found guilty on any of them, he will be found guilty on all of them. CALLED IT! 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/96 "2024-05-30T23:21:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Followed swiftly by violation of conditions. > Followed even more swiftly by a move to Rikers. > > (I live in hope) That’s actually a good guess, and not just because I had the same idea. 😉 Seriously, I could see probation under conditions to start, accompanied by a suspended prison sentence. Break the conditions, and that prison sentence comes crashing down. Conditions would have to be crafted to allow for campaigning, of course (e.g. he can leave New York State, but he may not leave the United States), but that could easily be done, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/97 "2024-05-30T23:23:17Z")
I am VERY VERY glad to be wrong! Absolutely a wonderful jury! ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/98 "2024-05-30T23:26:36Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > > [@Velocity](#): > > > > Since all sources say prison time is “unlikely,” is it going to be mainly a hefty fine ? > > Probation Can you imagine being the poor probation officer who meets with Trump and has to go over the conditions of supervision? I actually think it would be cruel to subject that person to the harassment and scrutiny of Trump’s fan base. For that reason alone I think it would be simpler and safer to give him a prison sentence. And were I the DA I’d be asking for a maximum sentence. This defendant has zero remorse, and it’s _important_ to send a message to all other people who might seek high office that they must respect and obey the law in order to ensure the integrity of our democracy. Hang ‘em high! ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/99 "2024-05-30T23:47:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Followed even more swiftly by a move to Rikers. Or Moscow ---
**Author:** ![Jegpeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jegpeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jegpeg)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224/100 "2024-05-30T23:56:22Z")
I’m concerned the way this might go, pretty much the whole GOP is saying Trump is innocent and is the target of a witch hunt. The implication being if the democrats have done this in an attempt to stop Trump getting elected they will do that tto prevent democrats getting elected. In 2020 Biden and most other republicans refused to back Trump’s claims that the election was rigged. - Will states with republican chief election officials “find the votes” necessary for Trump to win their state? - As the Judicial system has proven to be total broken (in Trump’s and most Republican minds) will the juditiary have its powers greatly reduced and the President effictively becoming all powerful? - Will any high standing democrat receive a barrage of charges against them with the intent of ensuring they receive jail time in in some other way unable to effectly stand? - Could the eventual result be a Russian style presidency where the only people allowed to stand against the President are selected by the president as peole with no chance of winning but able to provide the illusion of choice? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-trial-just-ended-lets-predict-the-verdict-verdict-is-guilty-on-all-counts-may-30-2024/1002224.md?page=6)