Trump's unapologetic style utterly confounds modern media institutions. What's going on here?

Trump said a temp. ban on Muslims entering the country until we get our systems sorted, Common sense but implementing it is the problem. The media report him as saying Ban all Muslims. No he did not and this is why we should form our opinions from knowledge not biased reporting

The GOP went after the racist vote like a kid with a bag of candy. Is it any suprise that now the racists own the party?

You’ll have to provide examples of this reporting, as I call bullshit on your statement.

I am in the U.K. so I am going by reports in our papers. Why call bullshit on a statement when there is no value in lying

Again, not enough support to win in a general election, what I have seen is that if he does manage to get the Republican nomination I look forward to see many of the ones that did recently declare “no way” to a Trump presidency or to not vote for him or to support him on the election to be perfect hypocrites when the main contest comes…

More than half of Americans will realize that those new supporters will be full of it then.

I have seen a number of cases where both opinions and quotations of these claims were presented by the media. I do not recall a new reporter presenting those words as fact, but consider the infotainment nature of the news it’s kind of hard to tell when they are reporting news or commenting on it.

Well, yes, but one has to take into account the actual numbers and who are the ones getting fooled:

Of course Trump is doing a bit better now, around 30% to 40% among registered Republican voters, but that could then include less reasonable conservatives to the already batshit insane conservatives and just plain discordians.

Thanks for writing this - I’ve seen plenty of good, solid news operations flounder providing exactly what people claim they want while the infotainment operations rake it in. Al Jazeera America is a fine example of a BBC style operation doing great work in the US, carried on a lot of cable ops and going nowhere. I think the last time I saw their ratings it was about 50k nationwide.

News operations aren’t a charity. It takes a lot of money to put on a show or create a newspaper.

Newspapers have been dying off because they have not been able to monetize the internet revolution to the point they can survive. Those same newspapers with lifelong veteran reporters were the ones who had contacts and sources that were most likely going to break an important story and keep the facts straight. They were sacrificed to the money saving cuts years ago, so now we depend on green reporters, often not from the area they are working in, trying to learn the truth and report it. It’s much harder.

As with most things you get what you pay for. In an advertising based broadcast or newspaper, eyeballs = money = survival. There’s no other way around it.

Because anyone who is posting political BS on message boards in this country :rolleyes: is either telling a lie :eek: or is so uninformed :confused: or so ignorant :smack: that they can not understand nor believe someone else is not lying. :cool:

Trump is just the most visible of all the totally useless potential presidents this country will pick as it self destructs.

Bawahahaha

To promote one’s own agenda, usually. However, since you’re a Brit, and it’s your media, I retract.

I agree that Trump and Carson are not possessed of what history strongly suggests are the appropriate qualifications to serve as President: former vice president, former governor, former senator, or former Supreme Commander, Allied Forces.

But I’m not sure I agree that Rubio and Huckabee are grotesquely unqualified. I wonder if you mean that they hold positions with which you strongly disagree?

Rubio is a first-term U.S. Senator and former state legislator and college professor – this is a background very similar to Senator Obama’s when he was a candidate.

Huckabee is a former Arkansas governor, which was the exact job held by Bill Clinton when he successfully ran in 1992 for President.

Trump is arrogant, obnoxious, and belligerent. Many people interpret these traits as “being confident,” and hence the reason for his popularity.

The problem is that the headlines here just refer to him wanting to ban all Muslims

Here’s one from The Guardian.

See also the BBC:

Trump is not afraid to speak his mind. Contrast that with our president. For years we have been engaged in war in Syria. Obama issues foolish statements that always turn out to be untrue…“ISIS is led by the “JV” team”…“we have contained ISIS”…“ISIS sales of oil to Turkey are insignificant”. Now we learn that over $500 million has been spent on the “good rebels”-who somehow have dwindled down to 5 people. The Russians have demonstrated that there was a huge oil export business that funds ISIS…based upon oil sales to Turkey. We have been bombing ISIS for years…with no (apparent) results. Finally, Obama won’t interrupt his golf game when 6 US soldiers are blown to bits in Afghanistan…but he makes an apology of sorts days later. Give me Trump’s plain speaking any day.

Makes sense - Trump was never one for using his own money.

Why do people assume rudeness is sincere? Chris Christie benefits from the same assumption that mean=truthful. Why? Is it just that it’s not what we expect from politicians, so it startles people out of their cynicism?

IME people who say he “speaks his mind” are really saying he “says things I agree with.”

Tangentially, there’s some interesting analysis of his (bizarre or grotesque?) hyper-repetitive rhetorical style here.

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=22691

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=23057

I should not have to point out that those headlines refer to his much-derided proposal to halt immigration of Muslims into the U.S., whereas “ban all Muslims” suggests that he wants to make the faith illegal and/or deport all Muslims (which I doubt even Trump is nutty enough to call for, although the campaign has a ways to run).

Some of your examples hold bizarre views or are just plain bizarre (i.e. Cruz, who in addition looks like a cross between Joseph McCarthy and a grown-up Eddie Munster). But if we’re calling candidates like Cruz and Rubio unqualified based on experience, then numerous past Democratic (and Republican) presidential candidates would have to have been regarded as unqualified as well.

Some of them performed competently or even admirably, others - the less said the better.*

*examples include U.S. Grant and Eisenhower (who as former generals have a rather divergent position in history), and Woodrow Wilson, whose elective experience consisted of two whole years as governor of New Jersey.

This.

And I’d also say the media’s power to shock with He / She said stories is deteriorating since so often they take sentences out of context or do a very misleading paraphrase. Heck, that’s even happened plenty of times with the donald, even considering what he said in the first place was already bile.

That said, I don’t know why they don’t do it the UK way, and just say things like “Pressure building for X to resign” (omitting that “the pressure” is coming from the media writing such stories).