# Trying to curry favor; help me dahling. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 5, 2013, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200 "2013-01-05T22:48:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/1 "2013-01-05T22:48:44Z")
I’m finally venturing into Indian cooking, with all its complexities and wonderful flavors. I’ve started with lentils (dal, or daal, or dahl), making two versions of masoor dal so far that were pretty damn tasty. Any recipes that you’ve had success with would be appreciated, whether it’s vegetarian or with meat. Any tips also appreciated. I have access to pretty much any spices I want about six blocks from my house, and don’t wish to use prepared ‘curry’ powder, if I can avoid it. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/2 "2013-01-05T23:12:27Z")
I recommend Maggi biriyani paste–I think it’s better than Shaun. But I guess in the end it all comes down to individual taste, so my suggestion is that you shoudn’t assume that all brands are the same. And see if your local store has Koshy’s garam masala. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/3 "2013-01-05T23:30:08Z")
You’ll need cardamom for a lot of dishes, and you may want to mix garam masala to keep around. Here’s an[Indian Food site](http://www.indiasnacks.com/)I go to for recipe ideas. I made a homemade tandoor oven a couple of years ago. There’s no way to make really good nan without something that gets that hot. And real tandoori is way better than any of the oven cooked simulations. I like to spice up dhal by pouring a hot mustard sauce over the the finished dish. Start your dahl. Then take ghee and cook whole mustard seeds and coriander seeds in it until they crack open. Reduce heat and let them sit hot until the dhal is done. Crush the seeds, then filter the broth out onto a bowlful of dhal. One of my favorite dishes, and a hit at parties is Madras Tomato Soup. Make tomato soup your favorite way, I usually just simmer canned crush tomatoes for a while. Near the end add the curry mix you like, browned first in a saute pan, and some fresh or frozen peas. I often do this using the canned curry powder if I’m not making a whole Indian meal. Always brown the curry spices to bring out their real flavor. I like a few spinach and lamb dishes. [Saag Gosht](http://www.indiasnacks.com/recipe/485/Lamb-With-Spinach-(Saag-Gosht).php)is very good, and pretty easy to make. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/4 "2013-01-05T23:34:19Z")
A question I forgot to ask. The cookbook I have is pretty authentic. Many of the recipes refer to ground red chili. There’s a lot of room for interpretation (and error) with that one ingredient. Are they referring to paprikas or ground hot peppers or something else entirely? I’ve already bought and used cracked mustard seed, cumin seed, cardamom, garam masala, and turmeric. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/5 "2013-01-05T23:34:21Z")
Make yourself a big jar of garam masala. There are as many recipes for garam masala as there are cooks, I think. The one I made: Coriander seed, cumin seed, bay leaf, half a cinnamon stick broken up, whole cloves, black peppercorns and sesame seeds in a dry frying pan at medium high. (Note: almost all recipes call for cardamom pods, which I didn’t have and hardly any have sesame seeds, which I did have.) Toss them around the pan until the cumin seeds turn brown. When they’re cool enough, crush them (I use a mortar and pestle cuz I’m old school, plus my 20 year old food processor doesn’t have the blade that’ll crush it right) adding dashes of nutmeg and mace. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/6 "2013-01-05T23:37:57Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > A question I forgot to ask. The cookbook I have is pretty authentic. Many of the recipes refer to ground red chili. There’s a lot of room for interpretation (and error) with that one ingredient. Are they referring to paprikas or ground hot peppers or something else entirely? > > I’ve already bought and used cracked mustard seed, cumin seed, cardamom, garam masala, and turmeric. Ground Asian Chili peppers. I usually substitute cayenne. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/7 "2013-01-05T23:41:30Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > A question I forgot to ask. The cookbook I have is pretty authentic. Many of the recipes refer to ground red chili. There’s a lot of room for interpretation (and error) with that one ingredient. Are they referring to paprikas or ground hot peppers or something else entirely? Checking my Indian cookbooks, I see the one who addresses this is Madhur Jaffrey, who calls for cayenne pepper in recipes that typically mention “ground red chili.” Edit: _shakes fist at **TriPolar** _ Oh yeah, and always lightly toast the spices before adding them to anything. They burn quickly, so watch carefully and get them out of the pan ASAP when they’re ready. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/8 "2013-01-05T23:49:44Z")
re: ground red chilis > [@TriPolar](#): > > Ground Asian Chili peppers. I usually substitute cayenne. Really? I’ve just used chili powder. Is chili powder just ground red peppers? It doesn’t taste as hot as, say, cayenne to me. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/9 "2013-01-05T23:51:29Z")
I do a LOT of Indian cooking, mostly vegetarian. [Non-slimy, excellent okra](http://chefinyou.com/2012/07/bhindi-fry/). [Aloo dam](http://www.manjulaskitchen.com/2009/10/14/aloo-dum-potato-curry/) - potato curry. Tons of variations online. IMO the most important thing if you want to play with Indian recipes: find an Indian grocery, and stock up with a ton of spices - whole, fresh, dried. Mustard seeds (a must for vegetable dishes), whole coriander and cumin, asafetida powder, garam masala, fish sauce, red chili sauce, fresh chiles and ginger (keep in freezer and grate as needed), and hey: prepared curry powder is really, really handy so don’t discount it. 🙂 Honestly with the right spices and some decent oil, you can turn two potatoes, a couple of tomatoes or a can of them and a can of peas into a gourmet [aloo mattar](http://www.indianfoodforever.com/punjabi/aloo-matar-rasewale.html). I cook about 50% of my meals using vegetarian/Indian recipes. Once you have a “base” of spices and some canned or frozen staples you can do amazing things. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/10 "2013-01-05T23:56:51Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > re: ground red chilis > > Really? I’ve just used chili powder. Is chili powder just ground red peppers? It doesn’t taste as hot as, say, cayenne to me. American chili powders have different (and I think better) flavors than the small red Asian chilis. I’ve used good chili powders in Indian, but it changes the flavor. There’s something still a little unique about the Asian variety, but cayenne is a pretty good substitute. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/11 "2013-01-06T00:19:25Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > re: ground red chilis > > Really? I’ve just used chili powder. Is chili powder just ground red peppers? It doesn’t taste as hot as, say, cayenne to me. The red chili powder that we’re accustomed to in the US is most likely ground ancho peppers, which in turn are just dried poblano peppers, and very low on the heat scale. Unless you’re referring to what is sold in supermarkets as ‘chili powder’, which is usually a blend of ancho, cumin, oregano, garlic and salt. A ‘hot’ chili powder blend just has cayenne added to it. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/12 "2013-01-06T00:22:11Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > I do a LOT of Indian cooking, mostly vegetarian. > > [Non-slimy, excellent okra](http://chefinyou.com/2012/07/bhindi-fry/). > > [Aloo dam](http://www.manjulaskitchen.com/2009/10/14/aloo-dum-potato-curry/) - potato curry. Tons of variations online. > > IMO the most important thing if you want to play with Indian recipes: find an Indian grocery, and stock up with a ton of spices - whole, fresh, dried. Mustard seeds (a must for vegetable dishes), whole coriander and cumin, asafetida powder, garam masala, fish sauce, red chili sauce, fresh chiles and ginger (keep in freezer and grate as needed), and hey: prepared curry powder is really, really handy so don’t discount it. 🙂 > > Honestly with the right spices and some decent oil, you can turn two potatoes, a couple of tomatoes or a can of them and a can of peas into a gourmet [aloo mattar](http://www.indianfoodforever.com/punjabi/aloo-matar-rasewale.html). I cook about 50% of my meals using vegetarian/Indian recipes. Once you have a “base” of spices and some canned or frozen staples you can do amazing things. That aloo dum recipe refers to “funnel seed”. Do they mean _fennel_ seed? Also, what is ‘gram’ flour? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/13 "2013-01-06T00:34:04Z")
Yep, fennel seed. [Gram flour](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram_flour) is made from beans of various sorts. To me, one of the great thing about my local Indian market is that they’ll make flour out of just about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/14 "2013-01-06T00:35:29Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > That aloo dum recipe refers to “funnel seed”. Do they mean _fennel_ seed? Also, what is ‘gram’ flour? Gram flour is chickpea flour. And yeah, I’d assume it’s a typo for fennel; I see typos on “corainder” as well on the aloo matar page. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/15 "2013-01-06T01:04:53Z")
Yes, and IRT typos and spelling variances: I’ve noticed that most Indian cooking blogs (where I’ve found some of the best recipes) originate in the UK. So there’s an extra layer of possible spelling and terminology variance so you sort of have to stay alert for that! I get some Indian cooking tips from an aquaintance who passes on recipes (and spices) from his wife to me. But I think there’s a lot of both personal and regional variation, so stay loose. 🙂 He’ll tell me things like “NEVER serve onions with okra!” or "“My wife’s family would never combine tomatoes and potatoes in the same dish that’s just wrong!” but then I find gazillion recipes recommending both. So staying flexible is probably also a good tip. 🙂 ---
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> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’m finally venturing into Indian cooking, with all its complexities and wonderful flavors. I’ve started with lentils (dal, or daal, or dahl), making two versions of masoor dal so far that were pretty damn tasty. > > Any recipes that you’ve had success with would be appreciated, whether it’s vegetarian or with meat. Any tips also appreciated. I have access to pretty much any spices I want about six blocks from my house, and don’t wish to use prepared ‘curry’ powder, if I can avoid it. Thanks. What are your recipes for dal? I’ve made probably about ten different versions, none that came close to restaurant dal. ---
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I have so much to share with you, **chef** , I’ll consign that data dump to private messages to you. I’d like to recommend the works of Yamuna Devi, the _best writer_ of the _best Indian recipes_. Yamuna Devi’s recipes and instructions are not only are for some of the best dishes you ever tasted, she writes them with such comprehensive intelligibility, clarity, and common sense, it’s like a miracle. Too often you find poorly written, sketchy recipes for Indian dishes, ones in which a great deal of unwritten personal experiential knowledge is assumed. Yamuna Devi writes for skilled cooks who can benefit from her well-written books. ---
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Find yourself a good source of fresh curry leaf. Through the internet, I bought a small tree to grow my own but it arrived damaged. There are a couple of shops I can buy from, but it’s really best to have fresh stuff available. The dried leaf does not impart much flavor. I love the flavor it gives sauteed vegetables. A friend from Chennai taught me how to make the stuff. Heat oil, add brown mustard seed, curry leaves and chilies or chili powder to taste and then dump in the veggies and stir. It’s about the only way I eat cauliflower any more. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/19 "2013-01-06T14:23:21Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > I have so much to share with you, **chef** , I’ll consign that data dump to private messages to you. I’d like to recommend the works of Yamuna Devi, the _best writer_ of the _best Indian recipes_. Yamuna Devi’s recipes and instructions are not only are for some of the best dishes you ever tasted, she writes them with such comprehensive intelligibility, clarity, and common sense, it’s like a miracle. Too often you find poorly written, sketchy recipes for Indian dishes, ones in which a great deal of unwritten personal experiential knowledge is assumed. Yamuna Devi writes for skilled cooks who can benefit from her well-written books. There are a variety of her books on Amazon. Do you have a specific recommendation? ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200/20 "2013-01-06T15:49:25Z")
> [@carnut](#): > > Find yourself a good source of fresh curry leaf. Through the internet, I bought a small tree to grow my own but it arrived damaged. There are a couple of shops I can buy from, but it’s really best to have fresh stuff available. The dried leaf does not impart much flavor. > > I love the flavor it gives sauteed vegetables. A friend from Chennai taught me how to make the stuff. Heat oil, add brown mustard seed, curry leaves and chilies or chili powder to taste and then dump in the veggies and stir. It’s about the only way I eat cauliflower any more. I was recently in an Indian family’s house and they had not one, but three curry trees growing inside! Quite pretty houseplants as well as being edible. 🙂 Do you crush the leaves before throwing them in the pan? I bought fresh curry leaves at an Indian grocery store, but there really didn’t seem to be much flavor. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trying-to-curry-favor-help-me-dahling/646200.md?page=2)