# TSDMB Enemies List **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 5, 2000, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739 "2000-02-05T01:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/41 "2000-02-05T19:14:00Z")
APB said: > [@](#): > > Andrew Weil (sounds familiar, but I can’t quite place it). He’s the “alternative medicine guru” who claims he has all sorts of evidence coming any second now but never quite gets around to it so he just uses cute little stories instead and then complains when people point this out. He also wrote the intro to Uri Geller’s newest book (which should right there be enough to get him on the list). Got another one: Michael Hyatt – the author who wrote _The Millenium Bug_ and tried to scare people into thinking Y2K would be practically the end of civilization. And Kent Hovind, creationist liar. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/42 "2000-02-05T19:25:00Z")
In response to your request for a quote, I am supplying the following from a webpage devoted to Gloria Allred: “It is a luxury to be frustrated.” May she always live in luxury. ---
**Author:** ![APB9999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB9999](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB9999)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/43 "2000-02-05T19:50:00Z")
Kathy Lee Gifford - ON THE LIST Regis Philbin - ON THE LIST (for both his shows!) Michael Hyatt - ON THE LIST We already have Jerry Falwell and Oral Roberts engraved with their personal names; if we just add “and the other televangelists” it may seem to mark out JF and OR as the worst. We should name each in their own right. Rysdad, that helps a little, but who _is_ she? ---
**Author:** ![APB9999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB9999](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB9999)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/44 "2000-02-05T19:52:00Z")
Woops! Kent Hovind - ON THE LIST ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/45 "2000-02-05T20:06:00Z")
APB-- Gloria Allred is an attorney that is a very vocal proponent of women’s rights…an admirable vocation. Her means, however, are such that, even when I agree with her basic premises, the _way_ she advocates is so confrontational and whiny it’s like listening to fingernails on a blackboard. I can’t remember who it was (Pamela Lee?) who said, when asked by Ms Allred if she could offer her services in a spousal abuse case, “Get off my side.” ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/46 "2000-02-05T20:19:00Z")
APB: Make sure Weil is there also! Also: David Irving (the Holocaust denier suing Deborah Lipstadt). ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/47 "2000-02-05T20:21:00Z")
Dunno if he’s there already (gotta run and don’t have time to check), but also Joerg Haider, leader of the “Freedom Party” in Austria. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/48 "2000-02-05T21:18:00Z")
Add these: Programming directors who pre-empt regular programming–like we really need to sit there while news commentators, having no specific information to pass on, chat with each other and stammer–which you should never do unless you are Mell Tillis, Bedrich Smetana or Porky Pig. Ad copy-writers who think we consider a “victim” in a commercial (Got Milk?, etc.) staring blankly into the camera to be funny. Neighbors who allow their dogs to bark all night–and poop in someone else’s yard. (I would have a good mind to pick it up with my shovel and fling it at the dog’s owner the next time I see him.) Mental midgets who pop onto Chat lines long enough to post ads for porno websites–then leave immediately. People in authority who act as if they are drill sergeants–that is, they think they must be surly and bellicose in order to exercise authority properly. Store clerks who give you the amount you’re to pay twice–the first time as if they have a mouth full of hot marbles. Ad infinitum. ---
**Author:** ![APB9999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB9999](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB9999)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/49 "2000-02-05T21:40:00Z")
Thanks Rysdad, she sounds deserving to be on the EL. Weil is already on there, DavidB. David Irving - ON THE LIST What is Haider doing to promote fuzzy thinking? He sounds unpleasant, but the only specific statements I’ve heard attributed to him are that Hitler had “sound fiscal policies” or some such thing, and that he wants to keep out the immigrants. Sounds vaguely Californian. But I confess I know little about it, I haven’t been following the story. So I will again defer to precedent and extend the benefit of the doubt; Joerg Haider is…ON THE LIST dougie\_monty, I’m sorry, but those are all people we can _hate_, true enough, but they don’t seem particularly prone to the sins of promoting ignorance which would make them the Doper’s collective _enemies_ - with the possible exception of the neighbors dog, who, as you point out, is a great spreader of shit. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/50 "2000-02-05T21:45:00Z")
Well, they don’t _promote_ ignorance–they just _exude_ it so damn much. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/51 "2000-02-05T21:56:00Z")
The entire English department of any High School. They force students to tediously dissect novel , poems & plays; at the end of this, one is expected to “appreciate literature”. More often, my fellow classmates of days gone by (& today’s kids too, I’ll bet) came to hate the material they were exposed to. You can’t "teach " literature. Not if you want kids to **love** literature. The techniques that we use in our English courses have always seemed to me to be the primary source of the dislike of reading that so many people display after leaving high school. Fortunatly, I learned to love reading very early on. By the by–there **are** flying monkeys! Genetic examination of bats indicates that they are not rodents, as was once believed; no, they are genetically monkeys or apes. But don’t tell the people in Kansas–they hate the “E-word”, and would take it all personally. * * * With magic, you can turn a frog into a prince. With science, you can turn a frog into a Ph.D, and you still have the frog you started with. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/52 "2000-02-05T22:50:00Z")
Two more Holocaust deniers: Fred Leuchter, author of The Leuchter Report. L. A. Rollins, author of The Myth of Natural Rights. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/53 "2000-02-05T22:52:00Z")
Excuse me, but how exactly does Jesse Ventura promote ignorance? Not liking someone does not make them a purveyor of ignorant attitudes. He seems like the only politician on Earth that actually speaks his mind instead of just rambling on about “a bright new tomorrow and blah blah blah blah blah.” * * * The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reasoning. –Voltaire ---
**Author:** ![APB9999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB9999](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB9999)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/54 "2000-02-05T23:00:00Z")
Shadowfox, your nomination has been challenged. Want to back it up with a quote from governor Ventura? If no one has a good reason to keep him, I’ll remove him. Besides, he has other things to worry about than our enmity. Heck, he’s so busy with his duties I hear he ain’t got time to bleed. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2000, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/55 "2000-02-05T23:57:00Z")
Couple more TV evangelists for you: Jimmy Swaggart Jim and Tammy Faye Baker And I can’t believe no one has pointed out that you’ve forgotten Geraldo Rivera. And Aaron Spelling, for _90210_ and _Melrose Place_. ---
**Author:** ![SeaDiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SeaDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2000, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/56 "2000-02-06T00:11:00Z")
Shaquille O’Neill- When asked about Greece after a European tour(paraphrased): “Shaq, did you go to the Parthenon while you were in Greece?” “No, we didn’t really go to any clubs while we were there.” ---
**Author:** ![special](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2000, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/57 "2000-02-06T03:02:00Z")
apb, i really don’t want anyone to feel that i am prejudiced against any particular religion; therefore, i feel it’s only fair to indict them all. & even a 12-step program to free one from 12-step programs would follow the same formula of persuading participants to feel they have no personal control of their destiny. ergo . . . still, it’s your list & your call. sorry about the kansas double nomination. guess i missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Louie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c68b51/32.png) [@Louie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Louie)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2000, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/58 "2000-02-06T06:14:00Z")
Don’t these two quotes sound a little related? > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor: > The entire English department of any High School. > They force students to tediously dissect novel , poems & plays; at the end of this, one is expected to “appreciate literature”. More often, my fellow classmates of days gone by (& today’s kids too, I’ll bet) came to hate the material they were exposed to. You can’t "teach " literature. Not if you want kids to love literature. The techniques that we use in our English courses have always seemed to me to be the primary source of the dislike of reading that so many people display after leaving high school. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by puffington: > **Fred Durst** , lead singer of Limp Bizkit, who claims to have never read a book in his entire life. * * * …and remember, duct tape fixes _all_ your problems, big and small. [Fun with HTML (tutoral) : The True Sequal](http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/19991103-2-000302.html) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2000, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/59 "2000-02-06T07:24:00Z")
How about George Dubbya Bush’s pappy, who once said that atheists weren’t real Americans because the U.S. was founded on the bible. The asshole never recanted, and the American press never called him on it. Hell, put them on the list, too. ---
**Author:** ![evilbeth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/evilbeth/32/2268_2.png) [@evilbeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/evilbeth)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2000, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739/60 "2000-02-06T10:40:00Z")
Representative Bob Barr, Georgia * * * The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they’re going to be when you kill them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tsdmb-enemies-list/13739.md?page=4)