# Tshirt: bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms--where are these? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 15, 2006, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714 "2006-02-15T23:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2006, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/1 "2006-02-15T23:32:51Z")
I know I’ve seen tshirts around that say “bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms” on them, but my google-fu is not turning them up. Does anyone know where these are? I think my boy might like one as part of his birthday present. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/2 "2006-02-15T23:43:13Z")
I found [this](http://www.thoseshirts.com/atf.html), which I don’t think is quite what you’re looking for. Also [this](http://cgi.ebay.com/ATF-ALCOHOL-TOBACCO-FIREARMS-BLACK-T-SHIRT-T-SHIRTS-LG_W0QQitemZ8382695493QQcategoryZ15687QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem), which again, is only tangentially like what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/3 "2006-02-16T17:36:59Z")
It’s now the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Perhaps the t-shirts have been updated too. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/4 "2006-02-16T17:38:55Z")
> [@Dag Otto](#): > > It’s now the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Perhaps the t-shirts have been updated too. Thet should rearrange the order: Firearms Alcohol Tobacco & Explosives ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/5 "2006-02-16T17:44:47Z")
I want this [t-shirt](http://www.ahajokes.com/crt124.html). ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/6 "2006-02-16T18:28:50Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s now the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Perhaps the t-shirts have been updated too. Wow, that Bureau just keeps getting cooler and cooler. Maybe they’ll add porn next. bouv, the first shirt looks like the one I saw–I don’t remember the “convenience store” bit and I thought it was navy blue, but it looks right. With that line it maybe is a _leetle_ red-necky, but I think my bf will get a kick out of it. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/7 "2006-02-16T18:38:33Z")
I like the slogan at **bouv** ’s site: “Effing the ineffable…” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/8 "2006-02-16T19:33:18Z")
> [@Dag Otto](#): > > It’s now the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Perhaps the t-shirts have been updated too. When I was much younger, my friends and I figured we’d live long enough to see it become the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Cannabis. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/9 "2006-02-16T19:43:22Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > Wow, that Bureau just keeps getting cooler and cooler. Maybe they’ll add porn next. If they add porn I will quit my job and join up. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![psycat90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@psycat90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psycat90)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/10 "2006-02-16T20:14:46Z")
Just an FYI - (I swiped this right from [answers.com](http://www.answers.com/topic/bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-and-explosives) because it summed up what I wanted to say nicely.) > [@](#): > > On November 25, 2002, the Homeland Security Act of 2002 split the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms/more commonly the BATF, into two different parts. > > ``` > * The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) was renamed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and was moved into the Justice Department from the Treasury Department, and is responsible for the law enforcement effort. > > * The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) was kept within the Treasury Department and continues to operate most of the tax collection side. > > ``` > > The changes took effect in March 2003. [Older article with more info on the split.](http://www.csa-compliance.com/html/Articles/GoodbyeATFHelloTTB.html) Much of my daily work is related to or involved with regulations and requirements of [TTB](http://www.ttb.gov/index.htm), and as far as we’re concerned, BATF no longer exists. I wasn’t able to find actual BATF, just found the ATF one that bouv found [here](http://www.copshoes.com/p-JWT-ATF.html). ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/11 "2006-02-16T20:16:09Z")
I have one that says on the back: Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms Whose bringing the chips? The brand is “Police State”, and it has a badge logo with these words on the left front chest. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/12 "2006-02-16T20:20:59Z")
Stupid code. the ‘chips’ line should be smaller than the rest and in italics. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tshirt-bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-and-firearms-where-are-these/344714/13 "2006-02-16T20:25:37Z")
> [@CynicalGabe](#): > > I have one that says on the back: > > Alcohol > Tobacco & > Firearms > Whose bringing the chips? > The brand is “Police State”, and it has a badge logo with these words on the left front chest. “Whose,” and not “who’s”?