# Tuba Diva, why did you lock this thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [November 2, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250 "2010-11-02T21:13:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/21 "2010-11-03T02:41:34Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > I’m sure they have more than one. They added the 2010 Election forum not too long ago, and it’s numbered 34. There are quite a few hidden/inactive forums here. Hmmm. A smoking gun for an evil conspiracy if I’ve ever seen one. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/22 "2010-11-03T02:55:54Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Hmmm. A smoking gun for an evil conspiracy if I’ve ever seen one. What the hell are you talking about? My point was that the idea that mods/admins are somehow forbidden to vent their frustrations about moderating is silly. It wouldn’t surprise me if they had a hidden forum for that very purpose. Hell, if they don’t, they should, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/23 "2010-11-03T03:00:02Z")
Whoosh! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/24 "2010-11-03T03:11:06Z")
Locking the thread that SfG has brought into question is the real abuse of power - not the defensive response in this thread. The response given here might be emotional and inappropriate. But it pales in comparison to shutting down discussion with a padlock - censorship style. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/25 "2010-11-03T04:08:34Z")
At the risk of being labelled one of the usual suspects, I don’t see why that thread needed to be locked instead of just allowed to die a natural death, either. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/26 "2010-11-03T04:28:58Z")
> [@kidneyfailure](#): > > Of course, I meant to say: > > “This is the most unprofessional, ridiculous, bullshit post I have ever read on this forum from _someone in a position of authority_.” You should read some of the old ones. This is nothing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/27 "2010-11-03T05:23:58Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > What is your mission here, anyway? When did it become your job to constantly harangue the staff here? > > Why should the community be expected to put up with it? > > Why should the moderators? > > We get bouquets and brickbats around here and we handle problems as they arise. We’re not perfect and sometimes we make mistakes. When that happens we undo and make amends. > > What more do you want from us? And why? This is parody, right? Right? ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/28 "2010-11-03T05:41:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You should read some of the old ones. This is nothing. 😉 Yeah, it’s not even the most unprofessional, ridiculous, bullshit post I’ve ever read this week. Can’t believe I’m making a “me too” reply to a **Guin** post. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/29 "2010-11-03T11:15:26Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > Yeah, it’s not even the most unprofessional, ridiculous, bullshit post I’ve ever read this week. > > Can’t believe I’m making a “me too” reply to a **Guin** post. Well, shit…in that case it’s even worse than I thought ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/30 "2010-11-03T12:12:04Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Would you like to comment on whether or not you feel it’s appropriate for a moderator to lock an on-topic thread when they’ve already indicated that they are emotionally involved in the topic to the point of breaking cardinal board rules? For example, a case like posting personally-identifiable information about (an admittedly despicable) SDMB poster on another social site, out of a sense of personal mission and moral indignation? About five years ago? Yeah, I can see why someone here might not want to see where that conversation leads. And before I get accused of stirring shit up: hey, abusing one’s authority now only calls attention to times when one has abused that same authority in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@Hawkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkins)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/31 "2010-11-03T13:07:56Z")
You know what? Why don’t all you malcontents just fuck off? Boo fucking boo. I don’t like the mods. They’re so unfair. They closed my thread. They’re really awful and they don’t moderate good. So fuck off already. Go start your own board. Assholes. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/32 "2010-11-03T13:11:45Z")
Wouldn’t it be simpler for you to move to a board that doesn’t have malcontents? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@Hawkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkins)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/33 "2010-11-03T13:42:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Wouldn’t it be simpler for you to move to a board that doesn’t have malcontents? No. It would deprive me of the opportunity to ridicule people who think it’s okay to criticize their hosts. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/34 "2010-11-03T13:53:36Z")
I love how you honor your hosts by breaking their rules. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@Hawkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkins)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/35 "2010-11-03T13:58:23Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > I love how you honor your hosts by breaking their rules. Yeah, I realized that right after I hit submit. I apologize and it won’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/36 "2010-11-03T14:48:13Z")
> [@Hawkins](#): > > You know what? Why don’t all you malcontents just fuck off? > > Boo fucking boo. I don’t like the mods. They’re so unfair. They closed my thread. They’re really awful and they don’t moderate good. > > So fuck off already. > > Go start your own board. > Assholes. > [@Hawkins](#): > > Yeah, I realized that right after I hit submit. > > I apologize and it won’t happen again. As you’ve recognized the post quoted above violates ATMB rules. I appreciate your promise that it won’t happen again, and I hope I won’t need to hold you to it. **Gfactor** ATMB Moderator ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/37 "2010-11-03T14:51:22Z")
I find it interesting that **twix** apologizes and it isn’t mentioned by other mods but regular posters still get a public scolding. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/38 "2010-11-03T15:07:20Z")
Regarding the other thread closure, I was confused by > [@](#): > > It was dead until you resurrected it. And why? To no useful purpose that can be seen. Let’s see, **Shot From Guns** posted on Friday afternoon with a comment quoting me and a question directed at me. I didn’t check the board to Monday (horror of horrors) and at that time replied out of courtesy to let her know I thought the conversation was over. Waiting 3 days over a weekend now constitutes “resurrecting” a thread? I thought that was a bit much. Regarding > [@](#): > > Would you like to comment on whether or not you feel it’s appropriate for a moderator to lock an on-topic thread when they’ve already indicated that they are emotionally involved in the topic to the point of breaking cardinal board rules? Or for the moderator to insist that an on-topic discussion be taken to another thread because they don’t like what’s being said, even though it breaks no board rules? I thought that had already been answered. You’ve had at least one other moderator state he would have locked that thread for the same reasons, and no moderator has contraticted that. The mods and admins have stated that they are not going to make a rule that moderators cannot participate in threads the moderate or moderate threads in which they participate. As for taking the topic to another thread, that is a difference of opinion between you and the mods. They feel that the in depth discussion of the merits of AA was a hijack from the topic of the thread, “What should I do about my drinking problem?” (paraphrased). You disagree - we get that - but it was a judgement call and no mod is second guessing it. And that’s why the mods are feeling a bit beat up. This has been stated several times in the other thread. The mods felt that the debate over AA was a hijack from a “I want help” thread, and moderated that thread accordingly, in like with exactly how they moderate threads that hijack a MPSIMS or IMHO thread with a Great Debate. **Shot From Guns** disagrees and thinks that the AA debate was on topic for the thread because the OP asked about AA as an option and what people think, and so at worst the mods should have moved the thread to GD. Well, it’s a judgment call, and in the mods’ judgement, it was a hijack - a new GD thread was opened for the hijack and instructions were given to take the MPSIMS thread back on topic of “what should I do”. That’s the call that was made and that’s the call they are sticking with. So get over it. That, and the fact you keep bringing up “twicks broke the rules in that other thread”. Yes she did, and she acknowledged it and apologized. Continuing to repeat that looks like you are just trying to poke her with a stick rather than actually address any issues. If this is a policy issue that you question, let’s divorce the issue from the specific incident and try to ask the question in a more general way: Should a moderator continue to moderate in a thread when they have become so invested that they themselves break the rules that they are supposed to be enforcing? Notice I’ve constrained the question not just by the moderator being invested in the thread, but given an objective and observable condition by which to measure the level of involvement - the mod violating the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/39 "2010-11-03T15:24:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Let’s see, Shot From Guns posted on Friday afternoon with a comment quoting me and a question directed at me. I didn’t check the board to Monday (horror of horrors) and at that time replied out of courtesy to let her know I thought the conversation was over. Waiting 3 days over a weekend now constitutes “resurrecting” a thread? I thought that was a bit much. If that’s how she’s going to define the term, then every ATMB addressing tomndebb is going to have to be locked. ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/40 "2010-11-03T15:43:57Z")
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