# Tuba Diva, why did you lock this thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [November 2, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250 "2010-11-02T21:13:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/121 "2010-11-11T15:20:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Only a mod can \*order \*you to move a discussion to another forum. Fellow members may \*suggest \*a venue that may be more appropriate, but it’s generally considered a better practice to just report the thread if you think it should be moved. Well, if we’ve accomplished little else here, at least you should be completely free of nits by now. Take it home boys! \*Call me up in dreamland A radio to me man Get the message to me Anyway you can Let your river roll A way down in your soul Never to grow old On a saxophone\* All together now! _On-a the sack-a-sa pho-o-o-one._ ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/122 "2010-11-11T15:27:59Z")
alright! ~gets **Contrapuntal** a beer~ Anyone else want a beer? **tom?** ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/123 "2010-11-11T18:32:15Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > The staff do not seem interested in creating a rule that moderators are _required_ to recuse themselves from moderating a thread in which they demonstrate a strong opinion, even if that mod violates the rules they are supposed to enforce. Then perhaps someone from the staff could come and explicitly say, “We are not going to require moderators to recuse themselves from subjective moderation in threads where they have a investment in one side of the debate.” I don’t think it’s a particularly helpful position to take, but if they’re going to take it, they could at least have the courtesy to say that’s what they’re doing. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > No, settle down, I’m thinking of several. Then you probably want [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=584708), where other people are complaining about the complainers. > [@the lone cashew](#): > > Anyone else want a beer? Five beers. Please. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/124 "2010-11-12T16:43:41Z")
**pseudotriton ruber ruber** , if you have something meaningful to contribute to the thread, feel free. All I meant was that the back and forth between me and **Shot From Guns** has stalled out. Because really we’re the only two who have been actually discussing this for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/125 "2010-11-12T17:10:06Z")
What about **prr** ’s posts wasn’t meaningful, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/126 "2010-11-12T17:56:26Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > What about **prr** ’s posts wasn’t meaningful, exactly? Um, _everything_, since it was obvious to anyone who has ever posted on a message board that **Irishman** was referring to yours and his conversations only. Plus **Irishman** did not say what prr said wasn’t meaningful, in fact he welcomed his postings on the subject at hand. Further clues can be gathered by reading what **Irishman** _actually posted, right here in this thread_, instead of just playing “hammer looking for a nail” as you typically do in your shopworn, and frankly quite boring, anti-SDMB-Moderation-bitches-o-the-week. So your question is actually really, really stupid, to quote you yourself. Having the straight-shooting “tuff grrl” persona you put on when you post on this message board, I’m _sure_ you’ll agree in your very next post. Yeah. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/127 "2010-11-12T18:02:39Z")
:checks thread: Yup, still in ATMB. Maybe you were thinking of the Pit, **Una**? There’s even an open thread there related to this one. Of course, given the way that turned out, I can understand why you’d be reluctant to post negatively about me there. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/128 "2010-11-12T18:04:26Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Um, _everything_, since it was obvious to anyone who has ever posted on a message board that **Irishman** was referring to yours and his conversations only. Plus **Irishman** did not say what prr said wasn’t meaningful, in fact he welcomed his postings on the subject at hand. Further clues can be gathered by reading what **Irishman** _actually posted, right here in this thread_, instead of just playing “hammer looking for a nail” as you typically do in your shopworn, and frankly quite boring, anti-SDMB-Moderation-bitches-o-the-week. > > So your question is actually really, really stupid, to quote you yourself. Having the straight-shooting “tuff grrl” persona you put on when you post on this message board, I’m _sure_ you’ll agree in your very next post. > > Yeah. :rolleyes: Feeling tired? Want a soda? OK we’ll get you a soda. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/129 "2010-11-12T18:28:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > :checks thread: Yup, still in ATMB. Maybe you were thinking of the Pit, **Una**? There’s even an open thread there related to this one. Of course, given the way that turned out, I can understand why you’d be reluctant to post negatively about me there. “How it turned out”…hmm…basically, “how it turned out” was you randomly snarking on me for asking what you thought was a stupid question, and then your continuing to make personal attacks because, well…you know. However, you probably shouldn’t bring business from the Pit into ATMB; speaking as your sister in Christ, I don’t think that’s going to go very well for you, and I’m not going to address things in the Pit any further lest you get into trouble. After all, you’re a genuine _asset to this message board_ and the Straight Dope, because given the “nature” of your posts you likely generate _oodles_ of page hits for advertisers. And I mean, _gosh_, who doesn’t like to read an ongoing Jeremiad in multiple parts of the crimes the Moderators and Administrators have committed against the Goode Folke o’ the SDMB? I for one am glad - damn glad! - to see you take your brave stand against…what are the code words the snarkers use again? Oh yes, _capricious Moderation_ which casts a _chilling effect._ I do hope I got that right! But your pet topic aside, I simply thought that since you try to cast yourself as a straight-shootin’ Annie Oakley who’s interested in the facts and who has a strong moral sense of honour, you’d be the first to good-naturedly admit that you too ask stupid questions. Don’t let me down! ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/130 "2010-11-12T18:30:35Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Feeling tired? Want a soda? OK we’ll get you a soda. No, dammit! My tomato crop failed, yes FAILED, in Farmville! Oh, if only someone could help me understand that haven of the _intelligentsia_, known as Facebook! Until then, my life is but the pale shadow which joy casts! :(:(:(:(:(☹ ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/131 "2010-11-12T18:37:50Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > “How it turned out”…hmm…basically, “how it turned out” was you randomly snarking on me for asking what you thought was a stupid question I thought your name sounded familiar. So what, you’ve returned for your revenge? You’re really stickin’ it to her. Not sure why you didn’t do it in that thread, though. I’m sure you have your reasons. > [@Una\_Persson](#): > > No, dammit! My tomato crop failed, yes FAILED, in Farmville! Oh, if only someone could help me understand that haven of the _intelligentsia_, known as Facebook! Until then, my life is but the pale shadow which joy casts! > > :(:(:(:(:(☹ Don’t worry guys, a ride in the car’ll put her right to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/132 "2010-11-12T18:39:10Z")
Geez, let it go already **Una**. You’re coming across as very childish and butthurt. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/133 "2010-11-12T18:41:00Z")
Everyone, take your personal attacks on each other (back to?) the Pit. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/134 "2010-11-12T18:42:02Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > So what, you’ve returned for your revenge? You’re really stickin’ it to her. Not sure why you didn’t do it in that thread, though. I’m sure you have your reasons. I’m not sticking anything to anyone. I want to be a tuff grrl straight-shooter just like she is, so I’m calling it like I see it. She schooled me what stupid questions were, and I now follow her teachings. How can you fault me for trying to reach for that rainbow? She’s special! > [@](#): > > Don’t worry guys, a ride in the car’ll put her right to sleep. I sure hope so. Only…OMFGOD, I’m the one driving tonight! :eek: Edited to add: Sorry Twickster, you caught me posting in the bitstream. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/135 "2010-11-12T18:53:11Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > **pseudotriton ruber ruber** , if you have something meaningful to contribute to the thread, feel free. All I meant was that the back and forth between me and **Shot From Guns** has stalled out. Because really we’re the only two who have been actually discussing this for a while. Let’s see, now: you wrote “Continuing to discuss this does not appear to be changing anything,” not “the private conversation between me, **Irishman** and you, **SFG** , has ceased to interest me, so I would like to stop posting but I do wish you a good day,” right? I took your “Continuing to discuss this” to mean the whole topic of discussion, which thought MIGHT just change something if it were allowed to continue. If you really meant the exchanges between the two of you, then you should have said so. Or gotten a room. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/136 "2010-11-12T20:23:27Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > “How it turned out”…hmm…basically, “how it turned out” was you randomly snarking on me for asking what you thought was a stupid question, and then your continuing to make personal attacks because, well…you know. No, I mean the Pit thread about me being a whiner, which is a direct result of this thread. Not the Pit thread that has you mad at me and bringing that attitude into other areas of the board. > [@](#): > > However, you probably shouldn’t bring business from the Pit into ATMB; speaking as your sister in Christ, I don’t think that’s going to go very well for you, and I’m not going to address things in the Pit any further lest you get into trouble. 1.) \*You \*brought things from the Pit into ATMB, not me. As far as I can see, your _sole purpose in this thread has been to snark at me…_ in ATMB \*\*like I snarked at you… **in the Pit**. I’ve generally been impressed by both your participation in the board and the work you do for the column; you’ve said you’re having a bad day (bad week?), so I politely suggest that you take a break, but that doesn’t excuse you following me around to other areas of the board because of something I said to you _in the Pit_. 2.) You’re not my sister in Christ. I’m an atheist. > [@](#): > > But your pet topic aside, I simply thought that since you try to cast yourself as a straight-shootin’ Annie Oakley who’s interested in the facts and who has a strong moral sense of honour, you’d be the first to good-naturedly admit that you too ask stupid questions. Feel free to do searched for my name plus “I was wrong,” “ignorance fought,” “you were right,” “I’m sorry,” “mea culpa,” etc. and you’ll turn up plenty. However, asking me to admit that I’m wrong simply to prove that I can is ridiculous and childish. \*\*prr \*\*has made worthwhile contributions to this thread (as has **Irishman** ). For \*\*Irishman \*\*to imply that all of **prr** ’s postings to this thread are without purpose because he disagrees with one or more of them was inappropriate. Even looking just at his one post that responded specifically to Irishman saying that further discussion wasn’t going to change anything, his input was entirely valid, seeing as his response was “No, I think more discussion is a good thing.” That’s not “meaningless.” ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/137 "2010-11-12T21:13:39Z")
And because there’s more I’d like to say to \*\*Una \*\*but I understand that ATMB is not the place, [I’ve started a thread in the Pit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=585382). ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/138 "2010-11-12T22:15:13Z")
I was going to let this go, but then **Shot From Guns** said: > [@](#): > > **prr** has made worthwhile contributions to this thread (as has **Irishman** ). For **Irishman** to imply that all of **prr** ’s postings to this thread are without purpose because he disagrees with one or more of them was inappropriate. Even looking just at his one post that responded specifically to Irishman saying that further discussion wasn’t going to change anything, his input was entirely valid, seeing as his response was “No, I think more discussion is a good thing.” That’s not “meaningless.” Let’s look at all the value **pseudotriton ruber ruber** has added: Post #7 - meaningful contribution, if condemnatory of mod behavior. Post #44 - non-meaningful jab at mods. Post #76 - interpretation of mod behavior couched in provacative language, with little actual contribution to improving the board or communication. More poking the mods. Post #78 - nothing to do with topic of this thread or thread that spawned it. More generic poking at mods, though it was technically in response to another poster. Though that poster’s comment was rhetorical. Post #86 - outright bitching, non-value added. Post #98 - sniping at another board member; not contributing to discussion. Post #100 - Response to a rhetorical remark with a deliberate reinterpretation in order to snipe at mods. Nothing constructive. Post #105 - more sniping with another board member, non-constructive. Post #113 - possibly constructive comment giving opinion on a type of mod behavior he condemns, but couched as if it is a frequent occurrence and generally aimed as a broadside of mods. Post #116 - whine at me for having the gall to state the obvious fact that nothing has changed on the two conclusions I stated since the previous thread was closed. Plus an unnecessary dig at the mods. That was the sum total of his posts prior to my remark to him. Since then he has contributed Post #135 - > [@](#): > > I took your “Continuing to discuss this” to mean the whole topic of discussion, which thought MIGHT just change something if it were allowed to continue. If you really meant the exchanges between the two of you, then you should have said so. Plus a bunch more gibberish aimed at me. I stated a _conclusion_ drawn based upon the content of this and the previous thread. That conclusion was that nothing has changed about the two points I stated in post 115. Nothing about my observation can or should be taken to mean the staff are precluded from coming in and posting their opinions/collective decisions at any time. Nothing I said indicates that the conversation cannot continue without me - I just don’t feel that there is anything productive to be gained because if there were, we should have seen something prior to this - like in the thread that spawned the topic, for instance. Anyone wishing to continue discussing either of those two points - the specific action from that thread and the general question about moderator policy in similar situations - are free to continue talking about them. My participation or permission is not required. Anyone wishing to continue discussing why **Tubadiva** closed the prior thread, or her response in this thread may continue without my permission. So what value was gained out of post 116 and post 135 exactly? Other than a dig at me? From post 116 **pseudotriton ruber ruber** said: > [@](#): > > I see virtues in a higher standard of mod recusal, and would like to continue discussing it and recommending it. I see virtues in a higher standard of mod recusal as well, and have said so. I just also see practical considerations. Your desire to continue discussing and recommending it does not change the fact that I do not see there having been _any_ change on the point through the whole thread. And I personally feel that your over-the-top and unsupported\* claims of blatant moderator corruption are counterproductive - all you are doing is ensuring that the mods dismiss this thread as another blanket moderator crucifixion rather than a question deserving of response. * * * - Accusations have been made without any references to support those accusations. That is “unsupported” by definition. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/139 "2010-11-12T22:27:00Z")
The point of #116 was that \*\*prr \*\*read, as I did, your sentence as saying that you thought the thread was over. We very well may have misinterpreted you, but that doesn’t mean a response based off that misunderstanding is meaningless. #135 was simply a further response clarifying his original interpretation. Is \*\*prr \*\*not happy with the way some mods have been using their powers? No. Does that mean his opinions are invalid and meaningless or just whining? No. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250/140 "2010-11-12T23:37:32Z")
What. Does. “Sister in Christ” mean. I know what it means, generally. I must have an explanation for what it means in this thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuba-diva-why-did-you-lock-this-thread/559250.md?page=8)