# TubaDiva, a word (or hundreds) if you please **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 29, 2007, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006 "2007-03-29T17:33:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/61 "2007-03-30T00:51:57Z")
[QUOTE=Queen Tonya] That indignant defense would work so much better if any of what you quoted wasn’t true, **Oy!**. [/QUOTE] Can you give me any examples? My reading of the SDMB is highly erratic, and today was the first time I noticed the new and improved **Liberal**. If he’s been back-sliding, I still say he’s trying pretty hard, but perhaps not as successful as I had (to my shock!) found today. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/62 "2007-03-30T00:52:59Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] Sure, people might hurl it as an insult. You can misuse any word you want as an insult if you really work at it. [/QUOTE] Cool! Devilpesterer! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/63 "2007-03-30T01:07:10Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] I’m usually accusing **Lib** of trainwrecking threads, rather than defending him from the charge, but i’m not sure i agree with you here. It might be that his comparison was unfair in your view, but i think it was sufficiently on point to at least merit discussion. Also, whether it was unfair or not, that doesn’t excuse the personal insult he got in return, and for which the perpetrator wasn’t even admonished by the moderators. And if the response he got from **TubaDiva** is as he described, i think that’s a relevant issue, independent of whether his initial point in that thread was a valid one. [/QUOTE] I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/64 "2007-03-30T01:42:38Z")
[QUOTE=Oy!] Can you give me any examples? My reading of the SDMB is highly erratic, and today was the first time I noticed the new and improved **Liberal**. If he’s been back-sliding, I still say he’s trying pretty hard, but perhaps not as successful as I had (to my shock!) found today. [/QUOTE] I agree with **MrDibble** ’s characterization that you quoted, that’s all. Regardless of what **Lib** did way back when and if/how he’s different and or completely new and improved, he totally shit in that thread, whined about being called on it, tattled, emailed when his tattling wasn’t resolved to his personal expectation then opened a huge pit thread when his emailing didn’t get him the response he desired. What you perceive as whirling about from his incessant cheek-turning I view as petty and manipulative passive-aggressiveness. I understand why you might be thrilled that his total measure of obnoxious suckitude may have lessened dramatically, I’ll take your word for it, but don’t feel the need to cheer for someone who still, y’know, sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/65 "2007-03-30T01:46:02Z")
[QUOTE=Queen Tonya] I understand why you might be thrilled that his total measure of obnoxious suckitude may have lessened dramatically, I’ll take your word for it, but don’t feel the need to cheer for someone who still, y’know, sucks. [/QUOTE] Translation: I decided long ago to hate him and, by damn, I will not change. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/66 "2007-03-30T01:47:57Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble] I used the word _godbothere_r both as a Pratchett reference and because that’s what **Lib** was doing, dragging his massive _fundie_ chip into a thread where it wasn’t really relevant [/QUOTE] But, as you pointed out in the closed thread, one doesn’t get to use context as an excuse when offensive terms are thrown around. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/67 "2007-03-30T01:53:21Z")
Now I’m confused about Inuit and Eskimos. I guess I’ll call Canadians Inuit and Americans Eskimo - that seems to be the division. Boil-brained rudesbys. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/68 "2007-03-30T01:57:58Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] Usage varies in different parts of the arctic: [Alaska Native Language Center University of Alaska Fairbanks](http://www.uaf.edu/anlc/inuitoreskimo.html) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Sounds like the Alaskans haven’t been notified yet that they’re supposed to be offended. Give it time—sometimes it takes outrage a while to replicate through the whole system. [/QUOTE] You’re correct, of course. I was in a hurry to get somewhere, and neglected to mention that those persons who find it offensive are Canadian Inuit. I should have said ‘across the Canadian Arctic’, not merely ‘across the Arctic’. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/69 "2007-03-30T02:05:29Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] Translation: I decided long ago to hate him and, by damn, I will not change. Whatever. [/QUOTE] See, now that’s rather amusing to me since I truly haven’t been involved in or even followed any of (what I surmise are) **Lib** ’s previous shenanigans. I’d seen his name in enough titles in the Pit to figure he regularly riled some folks up, but really couldn’t tell you what any of it was about. Thru the closed thread and now this one I’d guess that he participates mightily in a lot of religious debates, which I don’t, and political debates, which I don’t, and apparently is much more heavily involved in this board than I am, but other than noticing whether we like or dislike the same contestants in the American Idol threads, I had no previous impression. My opinion is based solely on what happened in **MrDibble** ’s thread and then this one, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/70 "2007-03-30T02:34:03Z")
[QUOTE=GingerOfTheNorth] You’re correct, of course. I was in a hurry to get somewhere, and neglected to mention that those persons who find it offensive are Canadian Inuit. I should have said ‘across the Canadian Arctic’, not merely ‘across the Arctic’. My apologies. [/QUOTE] I recall reading in a biography of John Rae that 18th-century European explorers could never figure out why Arctic natives didn’t suffer from scurvy. Rae avoided the condition by sensibly adopting the native diet, which contained large quantities of raw meat. Other Europeans, by cooking their meat in a ‘civilized’ fashion, destroyed the Vitamin C content that shielded natives from the disease. If ‘Eskimo’ really does mean ‘eater of raw meat,’ then it’s sort of funny that the Canadian Inuit consider it pejorative, since eating raw meat was actually very sensible. I’d think that the term should be used with pride as a vindication of Arctic peoples’ extremely well-adapted culture. “Hey, man, I hear your ancestors ate raw meat.” “Screw you! They were just as dumb as Europeans!” ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/71 "2007-03-30T03:45:13Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] I recall reading in a biography of John Rae that 18th-century European explorers could never figure out why Arctic natives didn’t suffer from scurvy. Rae avoided the condition by sensibly adopting the native diet, which contained large quantities of raw meat. Other Europeans, by cooking their meat in a ‘civilized’ fashion, destroyed the Vitamin C content that shielded natives from the disease. If ‘Eskimo’ really does mean ‘eater of raw meat,’ then it’s sort of funny that the Canadian Inuit consider it pejorative, since eating raw meat was actually very sensible. I’d think that the term should be used with pride as a vindication of Arctic peoples’ extremely well-adapted culture. “Hey, man, I hear your ancestors ate raw meat.” “Screw you! They were just as dumb as Europeans!” [/QUOTE] Ancestors, hell. They still do, some of them. Frozen, raw meat (called kwak, phonetically) is still pretty common in the Western Arctic. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/72 "2007-03-30T06:39:28Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] But, as you pointed out in the closed thread, one doesn’t get to use context as an excuse when offensive terms are thrown around. [/QUOTE] …which is why I said I was wrong to use it there, and apologised for it. I guess Lib is just stingy in accepting apologies that aren’t in some “spirit” he approves of - I would guess a grovelling, bootlicking one. I was sorry I insulted him, but I wasn’t sorry that I called him on his threadshitting. I see this thread as Lib not having the balls to pit me himself, and little quips like this: [QUOTE=Liberal] There was no deliberate act by anyone, other than MrDibble, in any of this. [/QUOTE] confirm it. Note that it’s not my name in the thread title, but the OP is all about me. Yet I didn’t get a mail or PM to enable me to sespond until he’d already done his grandstanding. Why he didn’t just take it to the Pit like I told him to in my very first reply to him is anybody’s guess. But if the words _Queen_, _Reigning_ & _Drama_ feature in your guess, I’d say you were on the right track. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/73 "2007-03-30T07:16:48Z")
I just wanted to chime in and ask **Loach** how he feels about “fuzz, Barney, Smokey, or po-po” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/74 "2007-03-30T07:27:39Z")
[QUOTE=Oy!] Oh horseshit! I’ll grant you that **Lib** used to be one of the most obnoxious posters on these boards, but since his return, I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he is resuming his old ways. [/QUOTE] You missed the whole “bottom-feeding cunt” incident, did you? Lib is perfectly capable of dishing it out when he wants to, but gets all p/a when it suits him. [QUOTE=Oy!] In fact, in this thread alone, he’s turned the other cheek so many times he’s practically whirling. [/QUOTE] When, in this thread, has he turned the other cheek? He has not once said he was wrong to shit in my thread, for instance. [QUOTE=Oy!] When you say stuff like this, what you’re doing is saying to the world “Don’t bother trying to change, because people have already decided you’re an asshole and there’s no point in doing anything different now.” I think that’s a lousy message to send. [/QUOTE] I think the message I intend is "You \*\*are _still acting like an asshole. I thought you were supposed to change, but I don’t see it." Note that I didn’t invite him into the thread personally, nor was the thread about insults in general or about previous “bad” moderation. I had a very specific complaint, about a racial slur, and I wanted something done about it, without a Pitting of **VH**. **Lib** came in on the attack_, with a hostile tone right from the start. He knows I’m an atheist, and he was trying to push my buttons. I _responded_. I shouldn’t have done it the way I did, but there it is Sidenote to one of Lib’s complaints: I thought ATMB was the best place to address the issue, as it had to do with Board rules, and wasn’t a pitting of **VH** _per se_. Next time, I’ll do it by PM (I’m still not used to the PM system, but I’m rapidly getting used to it with all the supportive ones I’ve been getting, believe me.) ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/75 "2007-03-30T07:39:34Z")
Well, that’s the longest damn thread in ATMB in a long fucking time. I learned a few things, and thank you for that McDi, MrDri,… **MrDibble**. And no, **Lib** hasn’t mellowed out, it’s the normal **Lib** time frame. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/76 "2007-03-30T08:22:46Z")
[QUOTE=GingerOfTheNorth] Ancestors, hell. They still do, some of them. Frozen, raw meat (called kwak, phonetically) is still pretty common in the Western Arctic. [/QUOTE] Is that duck meat? Btw, since ISTR that “Inuit” means “people” and therefore rather arrogantly dehumanises the rest of the hind-leg-walking anthropoids on the planet, I’ll run with “Eskimo” for now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/77 "2007-03-30T08:45:56Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] Is that duck meat? Btw, since ISTR that “Inuit” means “people” and therefore rather arrogantly dehumanises the rest of the hind-leg-walking anthropoids on the planet, I’ll run with “Eskimo” for now. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Well, I would hope you would be on the sled with the dogs, you don’t have to run. :dubious: I mean on the sled pulled by the dogs, didn’t mean to imply you were running with Eskimos pulling white guys and dogs. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/78 "2007-03-30T08:48:01Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] Is that duck meat? Btw, since ISTR that “Inuit” means “people” and therefore rather arrogantly dehumanises the rest of the hind-leg-walking anthropoids on the planet, I’ll run with “Eskimo” for now. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Khoi means people too. Well, it means “man [with Cattle]”. KhoiKhoi is an emphatic duplicative or whatever they’re called, it makes the word plural, so “Men[with cattle]”, but mentally I always use the alternative translation “men of men” - it’s a brag. But, really, I gather lots of people call themselves “the people”. I just think it’s nice to use the names people choose for themselves when you can. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/79 "2007-03-30T08:55:35Z")
What is an emphatic duplicative? ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006/80 "2007-03-30T09:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=featherlou] I hadn’t even heard of the term “hand-stabber” until this thread. Hunh. Learn something new every day. [/quote] I had never heard it outside **Lib** ’s posts. Until this thread I thought it was something he made up because he was pissed there were no pejorative terms for “atheist”. [QUOTE=MrDibble] And here I thought we were _such pals_ after he thanked me in his cat thread. Aah well, fair weather and all that… :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] _That_ is **Lib** ’s MO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-a-word-or-hundreds-if-you-please/398006.md?page=5)