# TubaDiva, are you kidding me? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [March 24, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672 "2010-03-24T21:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/141 "2010-04-09T08:55:46Z")
It was not a joke, it was a deliberately provacative act aimed at me. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/142 "2010-04-09T09:23:27Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [Moderator Note] > > I see no instance of **Arnold** “junior modding” in this thread; he is just giving his opinions on the matter like any number of other posters. If he deserves a warning, then so does most other posters in this thread. (In any case, **Arnold** , as a moderator emeritus on this board, has a lot of insight on the subject.) If you think he is in violation of the rules, then report it. By publicly calling for a warning, you are junior modding. Don’t do this again. You see, **Colibri** , what **brownie55** was doing there was not so much calling for a warning but pointing out that our rules are couched in such subjective language and applied so indiscriminately that no one can really tell what behavior is proscribed. One can no longer differentiate between ribbing and insults; talking about the rules and junior modding. For this “offense” of pointing out problems with the SDMB rules and their enforcement by the modes, you—and it had to be you, **Colibri** —gave him an admonition, revealing that you don’t quite understand what this particular forum, ATMB, is all about. And it’s obvious that this mod note you gave him originates in his criticism of your friends, **Arnold** and **xash** , and not any real worry that someone might mistake him for a moderator. I’d use a specific word here, but I’d hate to instigate a knife-fight. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/143 "2010-04-09T09:31:53Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > It was not a joke, it was a deliberately provacative act aimed at me. Well, sheeeee-yit, **Irishman**. Wait till you see what the big, bad world has in store for us. Toughen up. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/144 "2010-04-09T11:06:26Z")
> [@Sapo](#): > > More so in the case of the mods who have made a lifestyle of being rude and flippant. I have a big head and it still doesn’t have enough room for my eyes to roll all the way they need when one of those characters plops a “I haven’t answered because you didn’t say pretty please with sugar on top”. Unless I missed it, no moderator in here has said that. I was just offering my opinion, but I’m not a moderator here. > [@brownie55](#): > > And while we are at it, where is Arnold’s warning for his constant junior modding? You mean, only people on one side of the issue should be allowed to offer their opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/145 "2010-04-09T11:08:46Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Of course he was joking. The problem is that if you have a no insults rule, you can’t be in the business of having to figure out if an insult is really a joke or not. You just have to warn them all and let God sort it out or whatever. This is why the rule is a bad one. So what’s the solution? Not have a no insults rule? Or allow the moderators to use their best judgement, and then have another slew of “Inconsistency in moderation” threads? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/146 "2010-04-09T12:05:18Z")
I think a great solution would be for everyone to stop fucking crying about what the Mods do and don’t do. I can’t go three threads without running into this shit. Even better, can we have a sub-forum of ATMB **just** for complaints about Mod action, and can you also block it from showing up in the “New Posts” search? I’d pay $5/year for that. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/147 "2010-04-09T13:05:21Z")
^ What (s)he said. While I do find some of the whining and butthurt posts amusing, I sometimes wonder why some of these people bother staying here if they hate the way the board is run so much. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/148 "2010-04-09T13:07:41Z")
> [@Arnold\_Winkelried](#): > > Unless I missed it, no moderator in here has said that. I was just offering my opinion, but I’m not a moderator here. > > You mean, only people on one side of the issue should be allowed to offer their opinions? Not at all. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/149 "2010-04-09T14:43:39Z")
> [@Arnold\_Winkelried](#): > > So what’s the solution? Not have a no insults rule? Or allow the moderators to use their best judgement, and then have another slew of “Inconsistency in moderation” threads? Yes, the solution, in my opinion, is to not have a “no insults” rule. If not, all insults, no matter how mild, have to be actionable. A middle ground doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/150 "2010-04-09T15:24:36Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > Not at all. So what, exactly, was your basis for asking for a warning for **Arnold**? Or was it merely trolling? ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/151 "2010-04-09T15:32:29Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > So what, exactly, was your basis for asking for a warning for **Arnold**? Or was it merely trolling? Is this an official question? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/152 "2010-04-09T15:33:21Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Well, sheeeee-yit, **Irishman**. Wait till you see what the big, bad world has in store for us. > > Toughen up. Irony! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/153 "2010-04-09T15:41:59Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > ^ > What (s)he said. While I do find some of the whining and butthurt posts amusing, I sometimes wonder why some of these people bother staying here if they hate the way the board is run so much. For the lulz. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/154 "2010-04-09T15:53:28Z")
While I don’t agree with the people who are attacking the mods, I don’t think that we should just expect them to leave if they don’t like the way things are run. You can like the content of the board and its posters without liking the small minority who run things. It’s comparable to the superpatriots who like telling all their detractors “if you don’t like how things are done in this country you can geeeeeet out!” ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/155 "2010-04-09T15:56:30Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > Is this an official question? Yes. Please indicate to me exactly where you think **Arnold** was “junior modding,” and explain how it differs from the statements by other posters in this thread. Publicly accusing another poster of a rules violation and requesting a warning should not be undertaken gratuitously. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/156 "2010-04-09T16:09:34Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yes. Please indicate to me exactly where you think **Arnold** was “junior modding,” and explain how it differs from the statements by other posters in this thread. Publicly accusing another poster of a rules violation and requesting a warning should not be undertaken gratuitously. To me, it’s a matter of tone. I could link to the posts, but you won’t see it. As has been said many times on these boards, tone is hard to get from text. I can see where you would have an entirely different reading from the same messages. I will say that the use of the phrases like “I am not a moderator here, but…” which is used twice in this thread, is meant to remind us of his former mod status, and is probably a trigger for me. That said, because I disagree with a position does not mean I want a warning issued for every person on the other side. There are plenty of others on **Arnold’s** side of the argument and I suggested no warning for any of them, hence my response to him. I don’t think accusations of trolling should be made gratuitously either. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/157 "2010-04-09T16:13:32Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > To me, it’s a matter of tone. I could link to the posts, but you won’t see it. As has been said many times on these boards, tone is hard to get from text. I can see where you would have an entirely different reading from the same messages. In other words, your accusation was complete bullshit. > [@](#): > > I don’t think accusations of trolling should be made gratuitously either. It wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/158 "2010-04-09T16:16:39Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Yes, the solution, in my opinion, is to not have a “no insults” rule. I would be curious to see how many posters here would think we need to get rid of the “no insults” rule for all the forums. My guess is that a great majority would think it’s better to have forums where insults are not allowed. I would be willing to bet money on it. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/159 "2010-04-09T16:21:42Z")
> [@Arnold\_Winkelried](#): > > I would be curious to see how many posters here would think we need to get rid of the “no insults” rule for all the forums. My guess is that a great majority would think it’s better to have forums where insults are not allowed. I would be willing to bet money on it. What the majority of posters want? When has that ever been a consideration? You didn’t ask me what I thought most people wanted. You asked me what I thought. How is this even relevant? ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672/160 "2010-04-09T16:26:13Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > What the majority of posters want? When has that ever been a consideration? I don’t happen to think that the staff here make major decisions without considering the reaction of the posters. But if you think so, you are entitled to your opinion. I’ll just say then that IMHO allowing personal insults in every forum is a bad idea and will make conversations in GQ or GD unpleasant to participate in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-are-you-kidding-me/533672.md?page=9)