# TubaDiva is back as an admin after less than 30 days - how do YOU feel? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470 "2005-03-14T15:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/181 "2005-03-15T05:38:24Z")
> [@Moe](#): > > I agree with **roger thornhill** Piss off! I don’t need you affirmation. Creep. Private mail on the way 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/182 "2005-03-15T06:10:44Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > Hey Lynn, I have a question. Despite your position as an admin, am I able to say “fuck you” in the pit? > > Inquiring minds want to know. Ditto. Two inquiring minds. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/183 "2005-03-15T06:10:46Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > Unless people start making new points and arguments fairly quickly, I’m going to close this thread down soon. We’ve gone over and over this issue, and I don’t think that people’s minds are going to change, one way or the other. > > Lynn > For the Straight Dope And once again, the staff shows that they Still Don’t Get It. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/184 "2005-03-15T06:30:47Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > She’s only human, anyway; No. Way. > [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > what she did was a mistake any one of us could have made. Riiiight. Even if that were true (it’s not; “any one of us” is not an admin and would therefore have no knowledge of the alleged accusations were it not for TubaDiva’s “mistake”), “any one of us” would probably have been banned for all this. Sorry, Lynn, I’ve no “new points” to discuss. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Flamsterette\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/41988e/32.png) [@Flamsterette\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flamsterette_X)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/185 "2005-03-15T07:06:34Z")
Me either. I’ve got to think on this. ---
**Author:** ![peri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/67e7ee/32.png) [@peri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peri)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/186 "2005-03-15T07:42:43Z")
> [@](#): > > **Originally Posted by Lynn Bodoni** > _Unless people start making new points and arguments fairly quickly, I’m > going to close this thread down soon. We’ve gone over and over this issue, > and I don’t think that people’s minds are going to change, one way or the > other._ I don’t recall ever seeing that particular rationale used for closing a thread. So, we should just STFU then? Shh! If it’s not mentioned it’s like it never happened. ::sweep, sweep, sweep:: My feelings on the whole matter? Absolute disgust. Tuba’s back with her Administrator title still appended. No real apology. People fawning all over her for actions that would have gotten any one else banned. She broke the only written rule and was grounded for a month. Others have been let go for much less. Which leads to… New point, just for **Lynn** —\> The much vaunted new ironclad rules concerning privacy aren’t even in place. They’re still in review. And what might those be? Why, the new rules that are supposed to prevent any spilling of the guts by the staff. The new rules that are now so very, very important, and thanks so much for pointing out just how badly we need them, TubaDiva. The new rules that now have to be massaged by the attorneys and formalized due to TD’s actions. The least you could have done was kept her on time out until that was finished. You know, the simpler you make these things the easier they are to enforce. Here, let me help you. _“Message Board staff will not disseminate board related matters on any venue other than the SDMB. Discussion by email between staff members will not constitute public dissemination. Staff will not post **any** personal information **off** the SDMB about another member, unless that member has given consent. Staff will not post **any** personal information **on** the SDMB about another member, unless that member has given consent or previously posted the same information. Concerns regarding possible criminal activity will be directed to legal counsel or, if immediate action is required, the appropriate law enforcement agencies. Failure to abide by these rules will result in immediate termination.”_ You all may want to consider changing the SD motto. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/187 "2005-03-15T07:47:21Z")
I feel fine, thanks. Maybe a trace of a headache. I ought to be in bed, and I’ll go to sleep after I rewatch Sunday’s _Arrested Development_. How do you feel? Oh, I get it, I’m supposed to post my outrage about **Tuba**. Sorry, haven’t got any. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/188 "2005-03-15T07:57:21Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > BTW- **Tubadiva** could have contacted the proper authorities and taken protective action behind the scenes. Instead, she posted twice on LiveJournal. There she revealed private information saying “There’s no privacy policy here.” This is the part that bothers me most. It wasn’t just a ‘heat of the moment’ action, done without thinking. She knew exactly what she was doing, and made a deliberate decision to violate a poster’s privacy. Put me down as one who thinks she should be removed from admin duties at the very least, and preferably banned. Not outraged, just very disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Nightime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Nightime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightime)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/189 "2005-03-15T08:00:21Z")
I don’t agree with what Tuba did, but the reason I won’t be back is not because of that, but because of posts like Lynn’s. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/190 "2005-03-15T08:01:46Z")
Privacy - that’s nothing. This was about setting somebody up to get hurt. Hopefully she was right about who he was and what he did. Welcome back Tuba! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/191 "2005-03-15T08:35:24Z")
How do I feel? I’m… 1. Getting tired of threads like these… no matter how you attempt to frame the issue, it all comes down to the same arguments and the same accusations, and nothing’s going to change. 2. Glad to see at least the veneer of apology and contrition, although the substance is not terribly convincing. 3. Understanding that it was a boundary situation that could cause many people to lose their rationality, but… 4. Taking this outcome as a sign that double standards between mods and members exist, and said duplicity is tacitly accepted by SDMB management. But since it’s just a message board and I don’t have much stake in it, I’ll just quietly live with the extremely minor injury to my sense of “how things ought to be” and continue to use the board without making it a major part of my life. It really is a shame though… I came here thinking this was one of the unusual places on the internet where integrity and principle prevail, and this is sort of a letdown. This seems to be an endemic problem to volunteer-supported organizations… it’s hard to get free help, so there’s very little leverage to control staff behavior. Can’t tell you how many volunteer groups I’ve walked away from for exactly that reason. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Ruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Blue\_Ruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Ruin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/192 "2005-03-15T09:00:48Z")
> [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > 1. I agree with everyone that what Stage Manager has done is despicable, and he should be prevented from repeating it. > > 2. Eutychus lost his mod position merely for mentioning **on his own LJ** a matter of much less importance to the SDMB itself that Ed had ordered him not to discuss. I thought this was harsh, but would be fair only if it was enforced equally in all future circumstances. > > 3. I have no problem with TubaDiva’s performance as an admin up to this point. What I do object to is her method of handling the current matter, flagrantly circumventing SDMB policy as she herself proudly announced, with potential legal ramifications for the SDMB. For this she is only suspended for 30 days. As others have said elsewhere, a mistake like this in a business setting would be dealt with by the loss of her position regardless of her previous record. > > This really, really stinks. From what I understand, there are aspects of administering this message board that nobody except TubaDiva knows how to do. I think that the administrators realized that if they did the right thing, there would be a lot more work for them to do. So they did the wrong thing. ---
**Author:** ![unclviny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e274bd/32.png) [@unclviny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unclviny)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/193 "2005-03-15T09:12:39Z")
“T” is for **TUBADIVA** and “T” rhymes with…“T” which stands for TROUBLE. “Won’t someone please think of the children!”. “ **TUBADIVA** is evil incarnate and should be stricken from the face of the planet”. Let’s see, have I missed anything…oh yeah: IT’S JUST A FREAKING INTERNET MESSAGEBOARD!!, FOR THE LOVE OF OG PLEASE DON’T LET IT RUN YOUR LIFE. IF YOU ARE STAYING, STAY. IF YOU ARE LEAVING, BUH-BYE. Lynn, Please lock this train wreck!!! Unclviny ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/194 "2005-03-15T09:24:07Z")
> [@unclviny](#): > > Lynn, > Please lock this train wreck!!! > > Unclviny Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Carnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carnick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnick)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/195 "2005-03-15T10:41:47Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Who are you, **Blue** , and what stake do you have in this? > > Daniel Who the fuck are YOU? Why should he automatically answer to you, asshole? I like this place, I really do, but this club mentality that crops up from time to time makes me want to puke my fucking guts out. That combined with Lynn’s threats to close this thread really make me regret signing up. Not that you give a shit since my post count is only a fraction of yours. ---
**Author:** ![drgnrdr07](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/71e660/32.png) [@drgnrdr07](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drgnrdr07)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/196 "2005-03-15T10:42:23Z")
I am not outraged at TD at all. It is a mistake that plenty of people could have made if they were in the same position. What does piss me off is the way this was handled by the SDMB adims. I can’t believe that previous record counts for so much. How many posts do I need to have? How many hours do I need to volunteer to be exempt from the SDMB’s policies? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/197 "2005-03-15T11:44:17Z")
> [@](#): > > **DocCathode** said: > I doubt strongly I’m the only one reading your post as ‘Quiet down so we can dump this in the memory hole’. You’re not. > [@](#): > > **NotWithoutRage** said: > Ditto. Two inquiring minds. Three. > [@](#): > > **Guinastasia** said: > And once again, the staff shows that they Still Don’t Get It. Sad, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > **Sublight** said: > This is the part that bothers me most. It wasn’t just a ‘heat of the moment’ action, done without thinking. She knew exactly what she was doing, and made a deliberate decision to violate a poster’s privacy. And she still appears to believe she did the right thing, and only regrets that she got caught and punished. I don’t think she’s said a damn thing that indicates she’s aware of just how wrong what she did was. Now it seems like the rest of the administration wants everybody to forget about this as quickly as possible. Is that maybe so the next time **TubaDiva** does something that’s deliberately nasty and unacceptable, they can tell us all it was ‘just once’ and she’s done so many good things for such a long time? > [@](#): > > **NightTime** said: > I don’t agree with what Tuba did, but the reason I won’t be back is not because of that, but because of posts like Lynn’s. You don’t like being told to shut up and forget about it so it can all be swept under the rug? For shame! 😉 > [@](#): > > **unclviny** said: > Lynn, > Please lock this train wreck!!! Lock it up, throw away the key, and forget all about it. Hey maybe they can disappear the thread too, so that we can just remove all trace that the administration’s not the most ethical, wonderful, selfless people on the planet. I think there is new business here being discussed. Like the complete lack of understanding by **TubaDiva** of the actual wrongness of her actions, specifically because she made out in ATMB like she got slapped for being the martyr who did the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/198 "2005-03-15T11:59:50Z")
Just posting to put on the record a vote of confidence in **TubaDiva**. She has long had my respect and my trust, and that has not faltered in any way after this incident. Not for a nanosecond. There should be more like her. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/199 "2005-03-15T13:09:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And once again, the staff shows that they Still Don’t Get It. Or perhaps it shows that they Just Don’t Agree With You. An unpardonable sin, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2005, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/200 "2005-03-15T13:15:15Z")
> [@minty green](#): > > Fat chance of that happening. Well, thank God we live in a country where access to justice is primarily dictated by money. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=11)