# TubaDiva is back as an admin after less than 30 days - how do YOU feel? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470 "2005-03-14T15:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/301 "2005-03-16T16:30:37Z")
> [@don't ask](#): > > But God forbid that she should become “one of us”, the SDMB has no attractions without priviliges so fuck the benefit of the majority just do what you like. Just ask yourself if you had to choose between what was best for you and what was best for the SDMB (giving up some bullshit rights to butt in to threads) which would you choose. If you pick your self-aggrandizement look for the “I’m Back” thread. You can’t mean that! But she’s **so humble**!! Hasn’t she vaunted her humility many times on SDMB?? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/302 "2005-03-16T16:59:38Z")
> [@don't ask](#): > > Just ask yourself if you had to choose between what was best for you and what was best for the SDMB (giving up some bullshit rights to butt in to threads) which would you choose. . See, this I don’t get. I get being called an ‘asslicker’ for being happy TD is back, even though I don’t agree. Thing is, who the fuck are you to decide what’s best for the SDMB? You don’t agree with the Admins’ decision here. Great. I respect that. But once you start spouting ‘all she has to do is x and we’ll all be okay,’ you’ve crossed over into self-righteous asshattery, especially since you’re the one making a stink. I could just as easily tell you to stop bitching because you’re harming the SDMB with your negativity. Since we’re talking about ‘what’s best’ I can tell you what I think is best- getting TD back to work as an admin, somehow keeping this place running, and everyone shutting up about it, and either staying or going as they see fit without all of the hystrionics. See how easy that is? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/303 "2005-03-16T17:16:31Z")
> [@Mauvaise](#): > > For example, say your bank’s manager commited a violation of another customer’s privacy outside of the bank. Gave out personal financial information in a very public way. Then say that the manager’s only punishment was a 30-day suspension, and the owners of the bank basically said it’s no big deal and why are all these other customers so upset about it. Would you feel comfortable banking there after the suspension was lifted? You’re suggesting here that the manager went into the bank’s database and released that information. Tuba did nothing even remotely similar to this. If she had gone into the DB to get this info, and publicized it, I’d call for her head also. If our bank manager, on his own time, using his own devices, publicized information about someone, would you call the bank accusing the bank of violating their privacy policy? I wouldn’t. This would be an issue between him and the manager. I think the SDMB is taking action because the masses demand it. If we were all taking this in stride, as though it weren’t a big deal, they wouldn’t do a thing. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/304 "2005-03-16T17:20:52Z")
> [@](#): > > _StoneBrow said:_ > You don’t agree with the Admins’ decision here. Great. I respect that. But once you start spouting ‘all she has to do is x and we’ll all be okay,’ you’ve crossed over into self-righteous asshattery, especially since you’re the one making a stink. I could just as easily tell you to stop bitching because you’re harming the SDMB with your negativity. A lot of the wind would have been knocked out of the sails of this negativity if she had come back as a normal member, or say a MPSIMS mod. 🙂 I would think that’s self evident. If you are glad that Tuba is back as admin you can’t just wish away the negativity. It’s part of the cost of having her as admin. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/305 "2005-03-16T17:21:04Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I think the SDMB is taking action because the masses demand it. If we were all taking this in stride, as though it weren’t a big deal, they wouldn’t do a thing. That they are. And that makes it even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/306 "2005-03-16T17:29:20Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > If you are glad that Tuba is back as admin you can’t just wish away the negativity. It’s part of the cost of having her as admin. True. Though you guys on the other side would have to deal with our negativity at what we perceive to be the railroading of a good admin. Look, even if she resigned now, I’d be pissed because of all of the ‘she should fall on her sword for the good of the many’ comments tossed off here. If the other admins bowed to that pressure and forced her out, I’d feel the same betrayal you are no doubt feeling, and my future status would be in doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/307 "2005-03-16T17:36:40Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > You’re suggesting here that the manager went into the bank’s database and released that information. Tuba did nothing even remotely similar to this. If she had gone into the DB to get this info, and publicized it, I’d call for her head also. No, what I’m suggesting here is that the bank manager released information that they were privy to ONLY because of their position as bank manager, not because it was in the database. Hence the major violation. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/308 "2005-03-16T17:41:55Z")
Oh you’re right **StoneBrow**. It’s too late. If she was forced out now, it would only escalate the storm. The time for a compromise decision is passed. The staff has to move on, be cautious of a replay by Tuba, and find new ways to revitalize the board. I’m waiting for some checkmarks on the other side of the ledger, as the shine has come off my SDMB experience in a few ways. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/309 "2005-03-16T17:54:40Z")
> [@](#): > > **Left Hand** said: > (Not everyone who thinks she did ill is being a jerk–Guin, catsix, and others are disagreeing civilly, and I thank them for that). Thank you for recognizing that I have not behaved like a cunt in this thread. I think for the most part, the disagreement is going well. > [@](#): > > **Guinastasia** said: > If it what she posted wasn’t priviledged info, then why did she have to go to LJ-why not just spill it here? And why in the tone she used? That whole ‘I can’t post this without your permission. Bet you won’t give it to me, either, so I’m sticking it on LJ’ thing just - wow - was not the tone of someone who was trying to do the ‘right thing’. > [@](#): > > **yojimbo** said: > Anyway we’re well into the legal area that we were asked not to go to and although I’ll be leaving soon I still realise that there are rules that I don’t want to break just for shits and giggles. It’s ironic then, that this territory wasn’t so dreadfully forbidden for **TubaDiva** , but it is for us. > [@](#): > > **ZombiesAteMyBrain** said: > You can’t mean that! But she’s so humble!! Hasn’t she vaunted her humility many times on SDMB?? I’ve also heard that you should never trust someone who describes him(her)self as honest. > [@](#): > > **Guinastasia** said: > That they are. And that makes it even worse. Right you are. They should be taking action, more than they have, because it would be the right thing to do. Not demonstrating that they will only attempt to do the right thing when their arms are twisted. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/310 "2005-03-16T18:33:42Z")
> [@Mauvaise](#): > > No, what I’m suggesting here is that the bank manager released information that they were privy to ONLY because of their position as bank manager, not because it was in the database. Hence the major violation. Violation of what? Of my personal privacy, perhaps. Violation of the bank’s privacy policy, probably not. If the information I provided to the bank was kept secure and private, then the bank upheld its part of the bargain. The manager may have violated my privacy, but that is between me and him, not between me and the bank. This is a bit of a fine point, Tuba has arguably violated someone’s privacy, but I don’t think the SDMB privacy policy has anything to do with it. Obviously the bank could have a very expansive privacy policy that covers these sorts of things. I don’t believe the SDMB had such a policy, though they might in the future. Would you be as pissed off if it were a barista from Starbucks who overheard all this while building me a MochaFrappaLatteccino? Starbucks takes my CC info in payment, they have a duty to keep my info (name, CC#, address, etc) a secret, but BaristaBoy trots my name, address (from phone book) and situation around town… Unless he took my name from the CC or Starbucks’ system, the company is not where the problem is. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/311 "2005-03-16T18:46:53Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > This is a bit of a fine point, Tuba has arguably violated someone’s privacy, but I don’t think the SDMB privacy policy has anything to do with it. > > Obviously the bank could have a very expansive privacy policy that covers these sorts of things. I don’t believe the SDMB had such a policy, though they might in the future. SDMB policy be damned – ANY kind of privacy violation needs to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/312 "2005-03-16T18:47:40Z")
If she didn’t violate the SDMB policy, then WHY did she go over to Live Journal and spill, instead of doing it here? ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/313 "2005-03-16T18:53:39Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > If she didn’t violate the SDMB policy, then WHY did she go over to Live Journal and spill, instead of doing it here? Not to mention that _according to her_, she certainly THOUGHT she would have been violating the SDMB privacy policy. Nothing stands out to me in this more than her words: “The privacy policy prevents me from doing this on the boards, so I’m doing it here.” She knew what she was doing was wrong and she didn’t care. Not a shining characteristic of a “humble” person of authority. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/314 "2005-03-16T18:55:07Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > This is a bit of a fine point, Tuba has arguably violated someone’s privacy, but I don’t think the SDMB privacy policy has anything to do with it. > > Obviously the bank could have a very expansive privacy policy that covers these sorts of things. I don’t believe the SDMB had such a policy, though they might in the future. I’ll address this in a more focused manner: I believe a mod or admin (or a paying member, for that matter) should be held accountable for more than simply following SDMB policy. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/315 "2005-03-16T18:56:31Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > This is a bit of a fine point, Tuba has arguably violated someone’s privacy, but I don’t think the SDMB privacy policy has anything to do with it. Then why did she specifically say that the SDMB privacy policy prohibits her from saying what she wanted on the SD, and without Stage Manager’s permission? Because the SDMB privacy policy has EVERYTHING to do with it. She said wasn’t bound by those same policies off the SD. That’s what I’m calling bullshit on. If she’s bound by the SDMB policy on the SD, then as an Admin, she’s bound by the same policy off the SD. Especially when she puts her SD Admin signature on a post off the SD. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/316 "2005-03-16T18:58:28Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > If she didn’t violate the SDMB policy, then WHY did she go over to Live Journal and spill, instead of doing it here? It seems she thought that that the onus to follow SDMB policy was not in effect during visits to other Internet sites. **Cheesesteak** appears to agree with this – if so, I strongly disagree with him. IMHO, the SDMB policies to which mods and admins (and members) are accountable should be portable. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/317 "2005-03-16T18:59:32Z")
**Cheesesteak** , you’re missing a big fat point here: Ed has admitted this was a serious fuck up. From [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302206): > [@Ed Zotti](#): > > 1. **TubaDiva’s posting of personal information about the user on LiveJournal constituted a serious violation of SDMB/Reader privacy policy.** Although the information about the user, including his real name, was obtained through publicly-available sources, our privacy policy draws no distinction with respect to where the personal information originated. Accordingly, we’ve suspended Tuba as an SDMB administrator for 30 days and revoked her posting privileges for a like period. > > 2. **We have apologized to the user for disclosing his personal information.** His banning is still in effect and we’ve taken appropriate steps to deal with the issue that prompted it. (bolding mine) Got it? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/318 "2005-03-16T19:07:54Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > It seems she thought that that the onus to follow SDMB policy was not in effect during visits to other Internet sites. **Cheesesteak** appears to agree with this – if so, I strongly disagree with him. > > IMHO, the SDMB policies to which mods and admins (and members) are accountable should be portable. Exactly-if the policy only means releasing the information ON THIS BOARD, then what good is it? That’s not a “privacy” policy, that’s a “Do not talk about this openly, but we’ll go other places and gossip” policy. ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/319 "2005-03-16T19:12:29Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > If our bank manager, on his own time, using his own devices, publicized information about someone, would you call the bank accusing the bank of violating their privacy policy? I wouldn’t. This would be an issue between him and the manager… That’s a false analogy, bub. You’re not taking into the account the publication by said bank manager of an uninvestigated (at least by the proper authorities) accusation made by one of his customers during the course of an interview with him, and only him, for an overdraft extension that another customer, who happens to be, let’s say, a Mafia heavy, is stealing from the first customer. Clearly Mr Bank Manager has a duty to release this information to the authorities so they can investigate the claims. What he should NOT under any circumstances do is release this information publicly where Mr Mafia Heavy can read it. As he has, not only has he possibly tainted and disrupted the proper investigation, and unnecessarily attacked Mr Mafia Heavy’s reputation, he has also endagered the life of the accusor. Continue to defend **TubaDiva** if you feel you have to, but at least _try_ to understand what it was she did wrong (hint: not the release of StageManager’s Meagan’s Law info). ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2005, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/320 "2005-03-16T19:27:38Z")
Ok, I know when I’m beat. I still don’t quite get it, but I’m willing to concede the point. It’s probably my black and white thinking on the subject. Violating the privacy policy is a big no-no, so I want a more egregious violation (like pulling CC info from the database) than we have here before calling it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=17)