# TubaDiva is back as an admin after less than 30 days - how do YOU feel? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470 "2005-03-14T15:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/361 "2005-03-17T14:12:23Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > **Zombies** , you called people in the ATMB thread sycophants for welcoming **Tuba** back, said that we were nauseating and suck-ups. Are you really in a position to criticize other people for being insulting? Show me where I called anyone here a filthy name? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/362 "2005-03-17T14:17:44Z")
I can’t show you where you called someone a filthy name, but I can show you where you called someone a lemming, a bully, told them they were pathetic, all in violation of my grandmother’s “Be sweet” song, and all in violation of your own stricture against “ignorantly insulting people who don’t agree with you.” Daniel ---
**Author:** ![35340](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/8baadc/32.png) [@35340](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/35340)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/363 "2005-03-17T14:36:18Z")
> [@Legolamb](#): > > the public revelation of a private allegation of abuse directed at SM by a younger poster in an email to Tuba \*\*that she could have only known about through her position as an admin was a big privacy violation. _touches nose_ And posting the information, whether it came from the white pages, a discarded holiday card envelope, or the Megan’s Law website, did violate the Live Journal policy on posting personal information about people without their permission. As well as just generally being dispicable. 😉 Still think SDMB should not have brought her back as an admin, or she should have not accepted it. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/364 "2005-03-17T14:38:08Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > I have come to the conclusion that this board is not about fighting ignorance - it’s about ignorantly insulting people who don’t agree with you. Actually, pointing out that you have absolutely no evidence, and apparently no spine, to call **TubaDiva** a liar, is fighting ignorance. You tried to hide behind irrelevant legal ideals and idiotic conclusions to slam someone who does not have the ability to respond to your attacks. I’m just trying to get you out into the light of day. > [@Zombies](#): > > Like a little lemming, you are blindly following a moderator in this ignorant name-calling … does it make you feel big?? Powerful??? Pot. Kettle. You know the rest. > [@](#): > > I feel sorry for you, honestly, if the only way that you can find to counter an argument is to call another member a dirty name. What argument? I pointed out you have neither evidence, nor the courage, to make an accusation, and you instead intimate crap. How the hell does that kind of cowardice need countering? > [@Zombies](#): > > STFU yourself - you’re pathetic, like a schoolkid in the playground, copying the bigger boys to make a name for yourself as a bully. Honey, if I ever the opinion of a hysterical, self-righteous drama queen, I’ll let you know. Till then, I don’t much care what you say. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/365 "2005-03-17T14:48:19Z")
> [@Legolamb](#): > > …the public revelation of a private allegation of abuse directed at SM by a younger poster in an email to Tuba that she could have only known about through her position as an admin was a big privacy violation. Whose privacy? In what sense was “privacy” violated, and what exactly do you mean by “privacy?” Do you mean to say that if an adult makes a sleazy come-on to a minor, that should be the adult’s own business? And if someone finds out about it they shouldn’t say anything? Screw that. Shout it from the rooftops, I say. Turn on the lights on and watch the cockroaches scurry. Tell me, if a reporter finds out about illegal activity, should they respect the alleged criminal’s privacy and just quietly report the matter to the police? Or should they publish the allegations to the community at large? ---
**Author:** ![jester21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed655f/32.png) [@jester21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jester21)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/366 "2005-03-17T14:59:35Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Tell me, if a reporter finds out about illegal activity, should they respect the alleged criminal’s privacy and just quietly report the matter to the police? Or should they publish the allegations to the community at large? even a reporter must include: alleged And they usually don’t include home address and map on how to get there w/ thier report. Along w/ directions to nearby torch and pitchfork stores. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/367 "2005-03-17T15:06:45Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > even a reporter must include: alleged Did Tubadiva include wiggle-words or not? Please support your answer. > [@](#): > > And they usually don’t include home address and map on how to get there w/ thier report. Along w/ directions to nearby torch and pitchfork stores. Excellent–neither did Tubadiva! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/368 "2005-03-17T15:12:33Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I can’t show you where you called someone a filthy name, but I can show you where you called someone a lemming, a bully, told them they were pathetic, all in violation of my grandmother’s “Be sweet” song, and all in violation of your own stricture against “ignorantly insulting people who don’t agree with you.” I have only used descriptive words used in normal conversation - unlike your dear mod. and his hangers-on - who called me something so rude that I have never heard it spoken. But that’s OK with you, because Ike’s a moderator, and this whole TD thing has shown me that some of you are quite happy with mods and admins being able to abuse their powers. Go sing your grandmother’s “Be sweet” song to Ike, Tubadiva, Lynn Bodoni and the rest of them - maybe it would have some effect on them - they certainly need sweetening up, bigtime. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/369 "2005-03-17T15:17:46Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > I have only used descriptive words used in normal conversation - unlike your dear mod. and his hangers-on - who called me something so rude that I have never heard it spoken. YOu have different rules for what’s insulting, apparently. > [@](#): > > But that’s OK with you, Well, bless your heart! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/370 "2005-03-17T15:18:21Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > even a reporter must include: alleged A reporter doesn’t “have” to say alleged. They do it to protect themselves from libel claims. But truth is an absolute defense to slander and libel claims. It ain’t libel or slander if it’s true. Besides which, did **Tuba** not say that the matter had been _reported_ to her? (I don’t recall the exact wording.) ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/371 "2005-03-17T15:24:30Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Did Tubadiva include wiggle-words or not? Please support your answer. Not that I recall. It was more along the lines of “You’re a registered so-and-so, and now you’re using the SDMB to hunt for victims.” Course, it’s hard to cite this as it’s been shuffled away to the dark corners of the internet. And someone got the snarkfest over at LJ shut down, so can’t cite from there either. > [@](#): > > Excellent–neither did Tubadiva! > Daniel Um, actually that’s exactly what she did (minus the pitchfork store of course). Did you not see her post in LJ? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/372 "2005-03-17T15:26:32Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Not that I recall. And this is where the “please support your answer” bit comes in. If she included no wiggle words, then I retract my defense of her–but my recollection is that she did. > [@](#): > > Um, actually that’s exactly what she did (minus the pitchfork store of course). Did you not see her post in LJ? I saw quotes of it over here. She put up a map telling how to get to SM’s house? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/373 "2005-03-17T15:28:09Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Not that I recall. It was more along the lines of “You’re a registered so-and-so, and now you’re using the SDMB to hunt for victims.” Still not a problem if it’s a true statement (which it appears to have been). ---
**Author:** ![jester21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed655f/32.png) [@jester21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jester21)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/374 "2005-03-17T15:32:55Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Still not a problem if it’s a true statement (which it appears to have been). you have absolutely no evidence of that 🙂 reply to replies to my previous posts: Leftist-Hand of Dorkness: you ninny. I was exagerating to make a point. duh. if you missed the point, then there’s no point discussing it further. Irregardless… most of this he said/she said stuff is pointless, cuz as pointed out, the Administrators (as well as LJ) have gone to great lengths to bury/delete/purge any actual evidence of transgressions of un-named (by me) Admins. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Ruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Blue\_Ruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Ruin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/375 "2005-03-17T15:37:48Z")
> [@byomtoob](#): > > Count me in the “she did nothing wrong” category. > > In fact, I believe she was trying to perform a public service by informing people about a potential threat to them and their loved ones. She made her post on Stage Manager’s LiveJournal, where he had already openly admitted that he was a former sex offender, so she wasn’t warning anyone of anything they didn’t know. What she DID let people know was his full name and address, and that she had, as an administrator of this board, received a PRIVATE report that SM was talking to a minor on this board. Stage Manager admits to online communications with an underage board member, so he now has an idea who reported him - UNLESS it was an unfounded accusation, then he’s going to wrongly suspect whoever he was talking to of reporting him. Either way, she made it a lot harder for SM to be caught at anything improper he may or may not have been doing, and TubaDiva has violated the privacy of whomever reported the supposed improper communications. I’d say both Stage Manager and whoever reported him to TubaDiva have grounds for a lawsuit against the Chicago Reader for her actions. BTW, I just noticed that trainwreckspot has been closed. I think my hypothesis that whoever was posting TubaDiva’s personal contact info (which is publically available anyway) was trying to get it shut down, and succeeded. Go vigilante censorship! ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/376 "2005-03-17T15:38:06Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > And this is where the “please support your answer” bit comes in. If she included no wiggle words, then I retract my defense of her–but my recollection is that she did. Well, I just did a quick search and found it. Obviously, I can’t post it here, but if you’d like I’ll e-mail it to you. No “wiggle-words” were included. > [@](#): > > I saw quotes of it over here. She put up a map telling how to get to SM’s house? > Daniel Okay, no map either, though I think over at the site she linked to there is a map. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/377 "2005-03-17T15:38:33Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > Leftist-Hand of Dorkness: you ninny. I was exagerating to make a point. duh. if you missed the point, then there’s no point discussing it further. Jester, you fool, I know you were exaggerating. That was kinda my point, which I guess **you** missed. Stripped of the exaggeration, I think she did nothing wrong. And if the he-said she-said stuff is pointless, it’s probably a good idea to quit discussing it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/378 "2005-03-17T15:41:17Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > you have absolutely no evidence of that I do have evidence: the fact that someone reported such activities to **TubaDiva**. (It is not _direct_ evidence, since I was not a party to those communications, but it certainly is _evidence_.) Do you have evidence that the report was false? What is more likely: that the report was true, or that it was an elaborate hoax? As I said, it appears (to me at least) that **TubaDiva** ’s statement was true. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/379 "2005-03-17T15:41:45Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Well, I just did a quick search and found it. Obviously, I can’t post it here, but if you’d like I’ll e-mail it to you. Sure, go for it! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/380 "2005-03-17T15:51:46Z")
> [@Blue Ruin](#): > > I’d say both Stage Manager and whoever reported him to TubaDiva have grounds for a lawsuit against the Chicago Reader for her actions. Do you have a law degree? Or at least some measure of expertise in the field? If not, why should we care about your opinion on a legal issue? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=20)