# TubaDiva is back as an admin after less than 30 days - how do YOU feel? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470 "2005-03-14T15:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/401 "2005-03-17T16:21:15Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Oh, I have no problem with said info being revealed to proper authorities, like the police. But _only_ to proper authorities. Agreed. There’s too much potential danger if that action isn’t the only action. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/402 "2005-03-17T16:26:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What it means is that someone made an accusation against SM. THAT is true. And that is the true fact which **TubaDiva** reported: that she had received an accusation against SM. ---
**Author:** ![jester21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed655f/32.png) [@jester21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jester21)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/403 "2005-03-17T16:26:10Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I’m still not seeing the ethical breach, though I’m seeing some unwise behavior. It’s not unethical to take a person’s word at face value. > > Daniel So take this at it’s face value: I call TubaDiva a **LIAR**. And I have proof. She acted solely in a self-serving vindictive manor to lash out against someone she didn’t know solely based on his status as a RSO. I can back this claim and accusation. The question is will she answer it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/404 "2005-03-17T16:28:58Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Still, since the one thing that makes the admin here quake at the knees is the threat of a lawsuit, you’d think they’d be more careful. I would think they talked with their attorneys and were told that the threat of a lawsuit from any party was essentially nil, despite what a lot of very upset non-attorneys on the messageboards were insisting. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/405 "2005-03-17T16:32:20Z")
> [@Blue Ruin](#): > > But instead she had to go warn Stage Manager, so she could enjoy watching him squirm and imagining him worry about what was going to happen. It’s amazing how your concerns have completely changed in 8 pages from what they were in your OP. Funny that. > [@leander](#): > > Well, some folks have tried to sue message boards before. I think, though, that you are right that none has ever been “held legally responsible…” Still, since the one thing that makes the admin here quake at the knees is the threat of a lawsuit, you’d think they’d be more careful. Oh, I agree. However, you are never going to be able to completely protect yourself from frivolous lawsuits. It’s the cost of doing business nowadays that you could be sued no matter what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/406 "2005-03-17T16:33:09Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > So take this at it’s face value: > I call TubaDiva a **LIAR**. And I have proof. She acted solely in a self-serving vindictive manor to lash out against someone she didn’t know solely based on his status as a RSO. I can back this claim and accusation. The question is will she answer it. What’s the question? Is it whether I think you’re behaving unethically? No, I don’t. If you show me your proof and you convince me, then great; if you show me your proof and you don’t convince me, then that’s fine, too. If, however, you show me your proof **and it’s completely unconvincing** , to such a degree that I don’t believe you made this claim in good faith, THEN I’ll say you acted unethically. If you’re making some other point through this post, you’ll need to clarify. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![jester21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed655f/32.png) [@jester21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jester21)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/407 "2005-03-17T16:36:59Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > What’s the question? Is it whether I think you’re behaving unethically? > > No, I don’t. If you show me your proof and you convince me, then great; if you show me your proof and you don’t convince me, then that’s fine, too. If, however, you show me your proof **and it’s completely unconvincing** , to such a degree that I don’t believe you made this claim in good faith, THEN I’ll say you acted unethically. > > If you’re making some other point through this post, you’ll need to clarify. > > Daniel I will not post the information here directly. That would guarentee a thread “disappearance”. However, there’s always email 🙂 … however… any immediate inquiries will not be immediately answered, as i would like to see if TD actually steps up to the accuastion first. (and/or immediate lashing out by responding EMT Admins) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Ruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Blue\_Ruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Ruin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/408 "2005-03-17T16:37:10Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > It’s amazing how your concerns have completely changed in 8 pages from what they were in your OP. Funny that. My concerns haven’t changed…but after about 7 pages talking about how she had violated SMs privacy, it’s all been pretty well covered. I admit I hadn’t even thought about the issue from the P.O.V. of the person who reported him until recently, but now that I have, I see that her violation of their trust was as bad, if not worse, than her violation of SMs trust. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/409 "2005-03-17T16:38:30Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > I will not post the information here directly. That would guarentee a thread “disappearance”. However, there’s always email 🙂 … however… any immediate inquiries will not be immediately answered, as i would like to see if TD actually steps up to the accuastion first. (and/or immediate lashing out by responding EMT Admins) Well, until I see the information, I’m going to give it no credence at all; I’m sure you understand. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/410 "2005-03-17T16:49:11Z")
> [@jester21](#): > > I will not post the information here directly. That would guarentee a thread “disappearance”. However, there’s always email 🙂 … however… any immediate inquiries will not be immediately answered, as i would like to see if TD actually steps up to the accuastion first. (and/or immediate lashing out by responding EMT Admins) I wouldn’t hold your breath. They won’t answer you; in fact, they will pay you no mind at all unless you do something which attracts their attention…and in this case, just saying you have proof of a lie isn’t going to do it. IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/411 "2005-03-17T16:55:04Z")
Yup, **Lynn Bodoni** hasn’t commented in here since her original threat to lock the thread because it wasn’t changing minds. She never answered or explained her comments after being called to the mat about it. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/412 "2005-03-17T16:56:02Z")
> [@leander](#): > > I wouldn’t hold your breath. They won’t answer you; in fact, they will pay you no mind at all unless you do something which attracts their attention…and in this case, just saying you have proof of a lie isn’t going to do it. IMHO. Or, maybe. Just maybe, everyone has been told not to discuss the issue, in part to protect the identity of the minor who reported SM. I know that may shake your worldview that they are trying to protect someone, but, they have said, over and over again that they can’t discuss the issue. **jester21** asking for **tubadiva’s** response is completely unfair because he, and anyone with the ability to read, knows that neither she, nor anyone in the administration can comment on the issue. Instead, they have to quietly take it when idiots take potshots at them. ---
**Author:** ![jester21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed655f/32.png) [@jester21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jester21)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/413 "2005-03-17T17:06:08Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Or, maybe. Just maybe, everyone has been told not to discuss the issue, in part to protect the identity of the minor who reported SM. I know that may shake your worldview that they are trying to protect someone, but, they have said, over and over again that they can’t discuss the issue. **jester21** asking for **tubadiva’s** response is completely unfair because he, and anyone with the ability to read, knows that neither she, nor anyone in the administration can comment on the issue. Instead, they have to quietly take it when idiots take potshots at them. actually no… my accusation has absolutely nothing to do w/ SM himself and/or the supposed ‘victim’. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/414 "2005-03-17T17:07:02Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Or, maybe. Just maybe, everyone has been told not to discuss the issue, in part to protect the identity of the minor who reported SM. I know that may shake your worldview that they are trying to protect someone, but, they have said, over and over again that they can’t discuss the issue. **jester21** asking for **tubadiva’s** response is completely unfair because he, and anyone with the ability to read, knows that neither she, nor anyone in the administration can comment on the issue. Instead, they have to quietly take it when idiots take potshots at them. Fair enough. Tuba can’t respond here. But…if they wanted to protect the minor to the best of their abilities, then they would have handled this thing differently in the first place. And call me a skeptic, but I think now their motives are more trying to protect themselves than the minor. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/415 "2005-03-17T17:07:22Z")
Now, **jester** , is the time to put up or shut up. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![jester21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed655f/32.png) [@jester21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jester21)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/416 "2005-03-17T17:08:21Z")
> [@leander](#): > > I wouldn’t hold your breath. They won’t answer you; in fact, they will pay you no mind at all unless you do something which attracts their attention…and in this case, just saying you have proof of a lie isn’t going to do it. IMHO. you are probably right. in addition to being a LIAR. she’s a guttless coward. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/417 "2005-03-17T17:16:14Z")
Doesn’t anyone feel, however, that her actions-even if they hadn’t violated any laws or policies, were, at the very least, extremely unprofessional? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/418 "2005-03-17T17:20:34Z")
Not really, **Guin**. I mean, we’re talking messageboard admin here, not attorney or physician. There’s not some sort of sacred code that the admins sign onto. It’s a pretty informal profession. It really doesn’t bother me what she did. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/419 "2005-03-17T17:27:01Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Doesn’t anyone feel, however, that her actions-even if they hadn’t violated any laws or policies, were, at the very least, extremely unprofessional? Of course. **Tuba** messed up. Her, Ed, and most everyone else has said so. Repeatedly. But rather than accept an apology, an apology that had nothing to do with them, many posters in this thread feel the need to continually harp on her, call her a liar, and rake her over the coals, regardless of the fact that she is completely unable to respond to them. They’ve made it a policy to close down threads bashing posters who cannot defend themselves, but this one stays open, in my mind to appease those posters who haven’t had their fill of beating a dead horse. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/420 "2005-03-17T17:35:22Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Not really, **Guin**. I mean, we’re talking messageboard admin here, not attorney or physician. There’s not some sort of sacred code that the admins sign onto. It’s a pretty informal profession. > > It really doesn’t bother me what she did. > > Daniel Except that she has put her position as admin of this board on her resume, and asked us not to post TMI threads because of that. And the fact that we now PAY to post here. So she can’t have it both ways. **Hamlet** , I don’t think it’s that we won’t accept an appology and still want to rake her over the coals. It’s that her appology came off as extremely self-serving-she didn’t so much regret what she had done because it was wrong, but because she had to deal with the consequences. And then the whole, “Well, it’s over and done, let’s not discuss it!” sounds like more bullshitting, sweep it under the rug. This was a serious breach, and the board admins aren’t taking it as such. She’s still in a position of authority, she still seems to insist that she had good intentions, and that she was vindicated. But some of us are seriously pissed about the way it has been dealt with, and the way they’re STILL running this board as they did when it was a private, free service. Sorry, things changed when we started ponying up to come here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=22)