# TubaDiva is back as an admin after less than 30 days - how do YOU feel? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470 "2005-03-14T15:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/481 "2005-03-17T20:38:48Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Theoretically, if I shout, “Hey, that dude stole my car!” at some dude driving my stolen car, I’m putting him at increased level of risk for vigilantism. That doesn’t mean I’ve done anything wrong, and it’s bizarre to claim otherwise. Not a valid analogy. If the guy stole your car in such a way that you can identify him, _you are both victim and witness_. TD was dealing with much less information about the offense than the stolen-car victim above. She was neither victim no witness. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/482 "2005-03-17T20:40:59Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > A missing car would be evidence. No property was stolen in this case. Furthermore, the one shouting “Hey, that dude stole my car” didn’t share any private information. Fine: if I shouted it while pointing at some dude **walking down the street** , I still wouldn’t be acting as a vigilante. Without some sort of call to action, it’s not vigilantism. And you can use that guideline to come up with your own analogy. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/483 "2005-03-17T20:41:13Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Administering a web forum isn’t really all that technically difficult. Let me see…nope you’re not an admin. So you don’t know the technicalities of this particular forum, or what TD’s work has been. I was a volunteer sysadmin for a Unix cluster in college, and it’s definitely true that the volunteers would specialize and hand off tasks to the person who specialized in that particular niche issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were the same here. But if someone crosses the line that TD crossed, you have to eject her, even if it means more work for the rest of the admins. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/484 "2005-03-17T20:43:37Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Otherwise, I’ll give credence to the victim’s word over that of a sex offender known to have a propensity for committing the offense alleged. See, to me, this kind of statement is out-of-bounds for this discussion. There’s a lack of focus on Tuba’s actions subsequent to receiving the e-mail accusation, and how they reflect on her general ability to (a) fairly administer the board, and (b) both enforce and follow the spirit of SDMB policy. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/485 "2005-03-17T20:48:19Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Fine: if I shouted it while pointing at some dude **walking down the street** , I still wouldn’t be acting as a vigilante. Without some sort of call to action, it’s not vigilantism. And you can use that guideline to come up with your own analogy. > > Daniel The appropriate analogy, since apparently you need one, would be a stranger comes up to you on the street, points at a car and says “that’s my stolen car driving away”. You take a picture of the person in the car and make posters in the city that that person is a car thief. The person driving the car may in fact be legally driving his own car, even if he was convicted of car theft in the past, that’s poor form to accuse the person in the car of stealing a car at that point in time. Because you don’t know for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/486 "2005-03-17T20:49:09Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > There’s a lack of focus on Tuba’s actions subsequent to receiving the e-mail accusation, and how they reflect on her general ability to (a) fairly administer the board, and (b) both enforce and follow the spirit of SDMB policy. On the contrary, there’s been an effort to distract from the conduct to which **TubaDiva** was responding. She did not act in a vacuum; she was reacting to the alleged misdeeds of the registered sex offender. I shall not subscribe to your proposed boundary for our discussion. I believe **TubaDiva** ’s motives are entirely relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/487 "2005-03-17T20:54:08Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > On the contrary, there’s been an effort to distract from the conduct to which **TubaDiva** was responding. She did not act in a vacuum; she was reacting to the alleged misdeeds of the registered sex offender. > > I shall not subscribe to your proposed boundary for our discussion. I believe **TubaDiva** ’s motives are entirely relevant. The fact she would act on such motives without consideration for legal concerns, the regulations of the board she was posting on, or of the board she was posting as an official representative of are entirely relevant to why she is not suitable to remain in her position. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/488 "2005-03-17T20:56:57Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > On the contrary, there’s been an effort to distract from the conduct to which **TubaDiva** was responding. She did not act in a vacuum; she was reacting to the alleged misdeeds of the registered sex offender. > > I shall not subscribe to your proposed boundary for our discussion. I believe **TubaDiva** ’s motives are entirely relevant. Her motives are unimpeachable. Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is still doing the wrong thing, though. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/489 "2005-03-17T20:59:44Z")
[slight hijack] Thanks to everyone for keeping this thread pretty much civil, despite the forum in which it resides. [/slight hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/490 "2005-03-17T21:00:21Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > The appropriate analogy, since apparently you need one, would be a stranger comes up to you on the street, points at a car and says “that’s my stolen car driving away”. You take a picture of the person in the car and make posters in the city that that person is a car thief. With the provisos that you put up the posters only in the neighborhood where the alleged incident took place, that you take only a couple of minutes to put up such posters, that putting up posters is the default method of communication in this neighborhood, and that the person in the car has a rap sheet of stealing cars, I’ll take your analogy, and see nothing wrong with it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/491 "2005-03-17T21:02:48Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > With the provisos that you put up the posters only in the neighborhood where the alleged incident took place, that you take only a couple of minutes to put up such posters, that putting up posters is the default method of communication in this neighborhood, and that the person in the car has a rap sheet of stealing cars, I’ll take your analogy, and see nothing wrong with it. > > Daniel Livejournal is not the “neighborhood” in which this alleged offense took place, nor is Livejournal the default method of official communication from the Administration of the SDMB to its members. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/492 "2005-03-17T21:04:52Z")
> [@Avenger](#): > > The fact she would act on such motives without consideration for legal concerns, the regulations of the board she was posting on, or of the board she was posting as an official representative of are entirely relevant to why she is not suitable to remain in her position. What legal concerns? What law has she violated? None. TD has received punishment commensurate with her _perceived_ transgression. (I’m still not convinced there has been an _actual_ transgression of any sort.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/493 "2005-03-17T21:05:02Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > Livejournal is not the “neighborhood” in which this alleged offense took place, nor is Livejournal the default method of official communication from the Administration of the SDMB to its members. Fair enough: the posters got put up in the dude’s own neighborhood, beside and in response to his own posters that protested his expulsion from Tuba’s neighborhood. I still got no problem with it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/494 "2005-03-17T21:05:06Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > With the provisos that you put up the posters only in the neighborhood where the alleged incident took place, that you take only a couple of minutes to put up such posters, that putting up posters is the default method of communication in this neighborhood, and that the person in the car has a rap sheet of stealing cars, I’ll take your analogy, and see nothing wrong with it. > > Daniel Sounds good, I did forget that the driver had his driving privileges taken away without warning and was escorted out of the city. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/495 "2005-03-17T21:15:06Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Sounds good, I did forget that the driver had his driving privileges taken away without warning and was escorted out of the city. True, since this neighborhood has vested limited law enforcement powers in Tuba–and also the driver put a license plate on his car with his first and last names on it, making the posters much easier to create. Can we put this analogy to bed yet? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/496 "2005-03-17T21:17:00Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > What legal concerns? What law has she violated? None. The legalities with regard to use of the Megan’s Law information are still not entirely clear. Given that fact, the fact that after the incident, several threads were removed, and that we were asked for ‘legal reasons’ not to repeat the information in them, I’d say that there were ‘legal concerns’, wouldn’t you, regardless of whether, in the end, you consider that any laws were actually broken? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/497 "2005-03-17T21:22:51Z")
> [@Blue Ruin](#): > > Don’t expect logic or consistency from spoke. I hear he molests babies, those people are crazy. You’re a nice piece of work. Way to make your case. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/498 "2005-03-17T21:32:14Z")
**Avenger** , you do understand that anyone can threaten litigation? That anyone can file a frivolous lawsuit? Regardless of whether the facts and the law support it? The extra precuations undertaken by the administration in this matter (_with the benefit of hindsight_) are in no way indicative that the registered sex offender has any valid basis for complaint. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/499 "2005-03-17T21:32:23Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > True, since this neighborhood has vested limited law enforcement powers in Tuba–and also the driver put a license plate on his car with his first and last names on it, making the posters much easier to create. > > Can we put this analogy to bed yet? > > Daniel That wouldn’t work because then we’d know the car wasn’t stolen. I think your camera would have to have face recognition technology that was able to search through the DMV’s pictures and verify the identity with a 100% accuracy rate. Then it’s to bed with the analogy. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/500 "2005-03-17T21:35:18Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > **Avenger** , you do understand that anyone can threaten litigation? That anyone can file a frivolous lawsuit? Regardless of whether the facts and the law support it? > > The extra precuations undertaken by the administration in this matter (_with the benefit of hindsight_) are in no way indicative that the registered sex offender has any valid basis for complaint. Do you understand what the phrase ‘legal concerns’ means? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=26)