# TubaDiva is back as an admin after less than 30 days - how do YOU feel? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470 "2005-03-14T15:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/521 "2005-03-18T00:59:19Z")
> [@andros](#): > > šŸ˜• > > Were you really meaning to respond to me, **Guin**? Yes-I was pointing out that this was **Jester21** ā€™s so-called ā€œsecret evidence.ā€ I wasnā€™t mocking you, but him making a big deal out of nothing. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/522 "2005-03-18T01:07:35Z")
Oh, for the love of Kdapt. _Thatā€™s_ his definite proof that **Tuba** ā€œacted solely in a self-serving vindictive manor to lash out?ā€ What a complete tool you are, **Jestie**. _And_ a fucking coward. ---
**Author:** ![laigle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@laigle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/laigle)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/523 "2005-03-18T01:13:23Z")
You know, is it really necessary to be evil to be removed as a mod? Call me crazy, but were I in charge I would say this shows a monumental lack of judgement and remove the mod privelages for good. Really, itā€™s not like everyone here gets to ban people and close threads, itā€™s a privelage reserved for those who are deemed especially fit for the task. Incompetence alone should be a reason for dismissal. I donā€™t see any grounds for banning though, since from what Iā€™ve garnered\* the outing took place on another forum. \*Yes, thatā€™s right, I donā€™t give two shits about board politics and havenā€™t been keeping detailed notes. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/524 "2005-03-18T01:17:59Z")
> [@laigle](#): > > You know, is it really necessary to be evil to be removed as a mod? Call me crazy, but were I in charge I would say this shows a monumental lack of judgement and remove the mod privelages for good. Really, itā€™s not like everyone here gets to ban people and close threads, itā€™s a privelage reserved for those who are deemed especially fit for the task. Incompetence alone should be a reason for dismissal. I donā€™t see any grounds for banning though, since from what Iā€™ve garnered\* the outing took place on another forum. > \*Yes, thatā€™s right, I donā€™t give two shits about board politics and havenā€™t been keeping detailed notes. Exactly. And, **andros** , even though Iā€™m totally disgusted by the whole affair and think **Tuba** should either step down, or be dismissed from her position, even I donā€™t believe she acted out of malice, per se. More out of anger-she was angry and disgusted and wanted to lash out. I donā€™t think she was calculating and evil, just pissed off and impulsive. Weā€™ve all lashed out in anger, and it doesnā€™t make us evil. In some situations, however, it DOES happen in such a way that we must bear the consequences of doing so, and I believe this is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/525 "2005-03-18T01:32:42Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > \ > > And your entire analogy hinges on the fact that we know someone stole a car, whereas in this case, **the alleged ā€œvictimā€ had had no demonstratable proof to support your notion.** A copy of emails sent from the RSO to his intended victim isnā€™t evidence? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/526 "2005-03-18T01:50:55Z")
> [@LordVor](#): > > I think the quote people are referring to is from the Meganā€™s Law website itself, namely: > > ā€œThe information on this web site is made available solely to protect the public. Anyone who uses this information to commit a crime **or to harass an offender** or his or her family is subject to criminal prosecution and civil liability.ā€ Not quite the section-subsection cite I asked for, but close enough. One may presume that harassment is indeed a crime of some sort in California. But do you contend that posting a registered sex offenderā€™s publicly-available information from the sex offender registry is, by itself, harassment? > [@](#): > > And from the FAQ: The FAQ is not the law. Jeez, doesnā€™t anybody read statutes anymore? > [@](#): > > \*"I want to share with others the information I found on the Attorney Generalā€™s Meganā€™s Law Website. Does the law prohibit me in any way from sharing this information? > > A person may use the information disclosed on the Attorney Generalā€™s Web site only to protect a person at risk.\* The FAQ omits that the provision in Meganā€™s law that this refers to ā€“ subsection (i), IIRC ā€“ makes it perfectly clear that the ā€œuseā€ of such information for purposes other than protecting a person at risk ā€“ which, of course, is exactly what TDā€™s post indicated she believed she was doing ā€“ is not a criminal act at all, but instead creates a cause of action for civil liability, allowing the registered sex offender to recover his actual damages proximately caused by the unauthorized use. The registered sex offender in our particular instance has no legally cognizable damages. No harm, no foul, no lawsuit. > [@](#): > > _It is a crime to use the information disclosed on the Attorney Generalā€™s Internet Web site to commit a misdemeanor or felony._ Yes, thatā€™s what I said. Now kindly point me to the misdemeanor or felony that you believe to apply to this situation, or stop fucking harping on Meganā€™s fucking law already. (Not you in particular. Iā€™m just trying to stop this legally-baseless line of argument before it gets wrongly repeated for the next 10 pages.) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/527 "2005-03-18T01:57:07Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > A copy of emails sent from the RSO to his intended victim isnā€™t evidence? If not, why not? Except, WE do not know if that exists, do we? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/528 "2005-03-18T02:32:22Z")
> [@](#): > > _minty green said:_ > The registered sex offender in our particular instance has no legally cognizable damages. What? Heā€™s out $7.48! For me the main problem is that **Tuba** stuck her nose in what should have been a criminal investigation. I just donā€™t know who she thought she was protecting. As noted, he had outed his past on the LJ before the personal info was posted. She was already in direct correspondence with the SDMB member who was the supposed target. And I pretty much agree with post 523 by **laigle** and said as much a few pages ago. I guess I wonā€™t bump this thread anymore as I accept it as a done deal for now, which I also said already. ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/529 "2005-03-18T02:36:10Z")
You know, this has moved beyond ridiculous. The ā€œpowers that beā€, have stated that none of our personal information is available to them. Your credit card or PayPal information is encrypted and only accessible to the Chicago Reader. The only information the admins/mods here have that is not available to the board in general is hidden email addresses. StageManagerā€™s email was NOT hidden, it was posted in his SDMB profile. TubaDiva lost her temper, over an issue that is admittedly a ā€œhot buttonā€ for herā€¦and for MOST of usā€¦ abusing and taking advantage of children. And she posted to an off-board site, linking to publicly available information about a person who was a registered sex offender. If she had done this as a regular person, instead of using her signature as ā€œAdministrator of the Straight Dope Message Boardā€, there shouldnā€™t have been ANY issue as far as this board is concerned. If I had done it, I might have had people throw tomatoes at me, but all I would have gathered was some enemies. Which, in the interest of protecting children, would have been worth it. She lost her temper, for what I consider to have been a good cause, and made a mistake by ACTING ON HER LOST TEMPER. Yes, she shouldnā€™t have done it. Yes, it was a major mistake. Yes, she screwed up. Yes, administrators should not lose their temper and Yes it had better not EVER happen again. But for heavenā€™s sakeā€¦after this major storm of a thread, after ALL this sturm and drangā€¦do you really think there is any possibility that she would ever be stupid enough to repeat her mistake? She may not be perfect, but she is certainly not stupid. If you have lost faith in the administration of this board, If you donā€™t trust the CR to keep your CC info encrypted, if you just have an axe to grind?..then by all means find another message board home. Because this is starting to sound more like hysteria than actual valid concern. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/530 "2005-03-18T02:40:00Z")
**Scotti** , itā€™s not that I donā€™t trust her with my CC, or any other info, itā€™s the bigger picture-can we trust her NOT to lose her temper, to let her emotions affect her decisions here? Because this isnā€™ t the first time sheā€™s done that, as I pointed out. I can understand WHY she was upset-but since she IS an admin of this place, she should have known better. She was pissed and yes, lost her temper and admitted that at the time she didnā€™t care. But she still doesnā€™t seem to see the seriousness of her action. Sometimes, even if what we did was a mistake, and we didnā€™t mean to do harm, we still have to suffer the consequences. And sometimes they arenā€™t pleasant. But thatā€™s life. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/531 "2005-03-18T02:50:50Z")
**scotticher** , itā€™s so juicy I canā€™t resist: > [@](#): > > _[long ago Scotticher said:](http://207.97.195.229/sdmb/showthread.php?t=128450&page=6&pp=50)_ > TubaDiva gave an honest explanation of her action. she was HONEST, nowhere did she say that it was going to be a policy of the board to disallow future threads that she personally thinks are not in good taste, just that THAT one, at THAT time, struck her as too tasteless to exist. Perhaps she had just read 20 others she thought were tasteless too, and on the 21st she had had it and closed it. She explained that the fact that she is looking for a job influenced her decision. Perhaps it would influence YOUR decision too, if you were running the place and had just read 21 posts that you felt were tasteless. > > Many people jumped all over her for her honest explanation. > > I conclude from all of this that: > > A) A Moderator is not allowed to make a mistake. > > B) An Administrator is not only not allowed to make a MISTAKE, > she/he is not even allowed to be HUMAN!!! > > Is that a fair assessment of this thread? Heh. More things changeā€¦ šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![meanoldman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@meanoldman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/meanoldman)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/532 "2005-03-18T02:51:21Z")
Iā€™m a newly paid member. Been reading the boards for years. Had the books since they first came out. Hell, itā€™s been long enough that Iā€™m not sure a book was even published when I first started enjoying ā€œThe Straight Dopeā€ in alternative newspapers. AFAIK, or can recallā€¦ TubaDiva has been there. UncleBeer has been around. Polycarp was there. Bosda blah blah was there. Qadop whatever was there. Others, whose names I now forget have been there. People who probably donā€™t -want- me mentioning their names were there. Be that as it mayā€¦they were there. Part of what makes the SDMB what it is, for good or for ill, they were there. Guinastasia or whatever your name isā€¦ your name doesnā€™t register with me except as an outspoken member against ā€œthe way things were recentlyā€. In the pantheon of posts ā€œI shall rememberā€ and ā€œreasons I finally joinedā€ā€¦ those that have posted against TD seem shrill and small. Those in favor of tdā€™s return, whether in truth they be toadying sycophants or not, strike me as the kind of people I wish to hang with. _These_ are the people that got me off the fence and committing my pittance of dollars toward real membership. On a more personal levelā€¦ not meant for critical analysisā€¦ Blue Ruinā€¦ suck my dick, cuz Iā€™m sure you must be a pro. ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/533 "2005-03-18T03:01:43Z")
Oh, I think she knows she screwed up. Part of the problem here is that it is not possible for anyone to actually discuss all of the facts pertaining to the situation that caused her to lose her temper and do what she did. And it is never going to BE possible for anyone to go into it. There is a child who was approached who has to be protected. That is not going to change. It would be wrong to do so. Even if the child involved was willing to have the facts to be placed here, for all the world to see. It would be wrong. Jenny did the best she could to handle this situation off-board, and for various reasons that I cannot and will not go into, there was nothing more that could be done. But, she tried. She DID spend untold hours with various law inforcement agencies trying to handle this. Frankly, IMHO, law enforcement let her (and all of us, but mostly the child) down for various reasons. So when SM posted his whiney appeal to the SDMB community about ā€œwhy was I banned,ā€ she snapped. She lost her temper. Again frankly, if I had followed exactly the same path that Jenny did, I might have snapped too. I think she has learned her lesson, and I donā€™t think that she deserves what she is getting from this community. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/534 "2005-03-18T03:02:30Z")
Ah, so now itā€™s a popularity contest? Make an argument with some sense. Thatā€™s about as stupid as the ā€œJoin Dateā€ spittle flying on the first page of this threadā€¦we wouldnā€™t want to go by that with you now, now would we? What about post count? Nope. See, the thing is, none of those things actually matter when there are real issues to discuss. Thatā€™s one of the reasons I like this place as much as I do: Postcounts and join dates donā€™t seem to play into things as much as they do other places. Iā€™d like to keep this place from becoming a huge popularity contest. ā€œShrill and smallā€? How do you think you come across to those of us who HAVE been here for a year or two or five, no matter how much our names donā€™t ā€œregisterā€? And yet we take your opinion as it is because thatā€™s the way things are done here. If youā€™d ā€œbeen reading the boards for yearsā€ Iā€™d think youā€™d realize that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/535 "2005-03-18T03:02:58Z")
Oh well let me be the first to welcome you and accuse you of sock puppery. I kid, I kid. šŸ™‚ This thread is addictive. NOW Iā€™m going cold turkey. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/536 "2005-03-18T03:03:33Z")
(my previous message was for **meanoldman** , obviously) ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/537 "2005-03-18T03:03:54Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > **scotticher** , itā€™s so juicy I canā€™t resist: > > Heh. More things changeā€¦ šŸ™‚ Iā€™m sorry, perhaps I have lost my brains tonight. Or perhaps my sense of humor? IOW, 'splain to me your point, please? ---
**Author:** ![mattmorgan64](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@mattmorgan64](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mattmorgan64)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/538 "2005-03-18T03:07:50Z")
To answer the OP, Iā€™m fucking thrilled about it. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/539 "2005-03-18T03:20:01Z")
> [@](#): > > **Scotticher** said: > TubaDiva lost her temper, over an issue that is admittedly a ā€œhot buttonā€ for herā€¦and for MOST of usā€¦ abusing and taking advantage of children. I wonder how much of her level of hot-buttonness comes from the fact that an RSO lives across the street from her. > [@](#): > > Which, in the interest of protecting children, would have been worth it. It wasnā€™t about protecting children, or she wouldnā€™t have made that bitchy-as-hell ā€˜Bet you wonā€™t give it to me, either.ā€™ comment. > [@](#): > > She may not be perfect, but she is certainly not stupid. Which makes it all the worse, in my opinion. > [@](#): > > There is a child who was approached who has to be protected. Pardon me if Iā€™m not just going to take your, or her, word for it. > [@](#): > > Even if the child involved was willing to have the facts to be placed here, for all the world to see. It would be wrong. No more so than her original actions. > [@](#): > > she snapped. She lost her temper. And proved just what a vicious bitch she can be. > [@](#): > > Again frankly, if I had followed exactly the same path that Jenny did, I might have snapped too. That doesnā€™t make me feel any better about her, only worse about you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470/540 "2005-03-18T03:23:32Z")
Well, I donā€™t think anyone here has any sympathy for **Stagemanager** , **Scotti**. I sure as hell donā€™t. And if what was alleged actually happened, then I truly feel for the kid he targeted. Butā€¦ **Tuba** ā€™s big blow up gave him even MORE fuel, because heā€™s constantly bragging about how it was nothing, because the police never contacted him. And the rest of us are tired of hearing him go on and on about the whole deal. And the admins of this board donā€™t give a shit about the whole thing, they donā€™t CARE that weā€™re concerned over the way this place is run, and they probably wouldnā€™t even have done jack shit if we hadnā€™t kept at them. And that pisses a lot of people off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-back-as-an-admin-after-less-than-30-days-how-do-you-feel/294470.md?page=28)