# TubaDiva is not fit to be in a position of power on this board. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 30, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845 "2006-04-30T16:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/61 "2006-04-30T22:47:35Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > Isn’t that a bit contradictory? If she’s trying to overlook all that, she’s failed immediately by pointing it out. If we go by that way of looking at things, not only do we still have a potential threat in the “vague and unspecified” part, but also she’s broken a promise straight off the bat. Again, you’re reading it far more literally than is appropriate. I forget the name of the literary device where you comment on something by saying, “I’m not going to comment on that,” but it’s a pretty common device; calling it a broken promise is pretty hyperbolic, in my opinion. The standard reading of the device is that it’s an oblique reference to something that, in the author’s opinion, doesn’t merit full discussion. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/62 "2006-04-30T22:48:23Z")
I’m curious, Garfield, about two things: 1. What’s your end-game here if you get no response? 2. Who do you think is qualified to admin the SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/63 "2006-04-30T22:51:13Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I forget the name of the literary device where you comment on something by saying, “I’m not going to comment on that,” Paraleipsis, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/64 "2006-04-30T22:53:29Z")
> [@Helen's Eidolon](#): > > Paraleipsis, I believe. [Excellent–thanks!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paralipsis) Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/65 "2006-04-30T22:55:07Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Again, you’re reading it far more literally than is appropriate. I forget the name of the literary device where you comment on something by saying, “I’m not going to comment on that,” but it’s a pretty common device; calling it a broken promise is pretty hyperbolic, in my opinion. The standard reading of the device is that it’s an oblique reference to something that, in the author’s opinion, doesn’t merit full discussion. But you were the one to refer to the promise as an actual, literal promise to overlook something, not me. I personally think it wasn’t meant as an actual “I swear an oath” type of thing, but more along the lines of “I’ll try not to”. It may be a literary device, but if we go by the more casual conversation approach of looking at it rather than a formal literal approach, generally pointing out a flaw in someone else and then remarking on how you’re _not_ going to attack them for it is fishing for compliments. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/66 "2006-04-30T23:05:02Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > I’m curious, Garfield, about two things: > > 1. What’s your end-game here if you get no response? > 2. Who do you think is qualified to admin the SDMB? 1. As I said in the other thread, it’s the latest entry in **Tuba** ’s book of “How to act unprofessionally for fun and profit” and that’s about all. It’s already there, but if I’m misreading things, **Tuba** has had ample time to clear it up. Other than that, there’s not really a lot I can do, obviously, except chalk it up into the intangibles column of whether or not I stick around (which at this point, I imagine, would bother many people not at all). 2. For the most part, I feel the administration and moderation around here is acceptable-to-very good. As I stated before, I feel even **Tuba** has offered much to this board. I feel there are any number of people who could do her job in an acceptable manner (i.e. without screwups like last year and this one (as relatively insignificant this one is when compared with that one)). Whether they would take the job or not is another matter entirely. As for naming names, I have no idea, since I don’t pay much attention to the administration around here when things are running smoothly, which is much if not most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/67 "2006-04-30T23:15:47Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > [Excellent–thanks!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paralipsis) > > Daniel No, thank YOU. It’s not everyday my knowledge of Greek rhetorical techniques gets to be used. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/68 "2006-04-30T23:29:35Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I don’t see a threat in there. She said she’d like to do something vague and unspecified, but that what she would actually do is to “try and overlook all that.” Indeed, she promised to try and overlook all that. In reading the countless threads on this topic and the defences of **TubaDiva** therein, I still can’t see any reasonable reading of her statement other than, _I really wish to ban you. But I don’t have grounds to. I’ll **try** not to let that influence me, but I’m only human, so better watch yourself anyway._ And that’s a threat. And an inappropriate one, coming from someone who does have banning power. > [@Helen's Eidolon](#): > > No, thank YOU. It’s not everyday my knowledge of Greek rhetorical techniques gets to be used. If that doesn’t sum up what’s wrong with the world today, I don’t know what does… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/69 "2006-05-01T00:40:46Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > If I wanted to pay $7.50 to be treated like shit, I’d look in the yellow pages under “Dominatrix.” Or buy a ticket to the movies. At least there are no screaming kids or ringing cellphones in here. I’m sure about the cellphone part. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/70 "2006-05-01T01:51:53Z")
> [@Life goes on](#): > > Some little wimp gets a hair up his ass for Jenny. > > What is your fucking problem? You want to see this board fall apart? You keep pushing her to the door. > > Methinks he has the hots for her. > > Without Jenny this board dies. Why do you think this board would die without her? Sure, she has put a lot of work into the board over the years, but I certainly don’t see how the board would die without her. Especially since a shitload of people just paid more money to post here. If they want the board to go on, somebody will step up. I have been here a long fucking time, and think Tuba needs to resign. She has a short fuse now, and apparently doesn’t give a shit how she comes across anymore. So fucking what, life goes on, maybe the board will also. Although once the reup subscription thing shakes out, I think membership will drop way down. The Reader never figured out a way to make any money off the member database, so they probably don’t give a shit either. It’s just a fucking message board… ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/71 "2006-05-01T02:00:27Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > So fucking what, life goes on, maybe the board will also. > Although once the reup subscription thing shakes out, I think membership will drop way down. I’ll take that bet. > [@Klaatu](#): > > The Reader never figured out a way to make any money off the member database, so they probably don’t give a shit either. Not yet. Just you wait, 'enry 'iggins, just you wait… If they didn’t give a shit, your post would have been swallowed up in the ether. The board is still operating. They must give a shit. > [@klaatu](#): > > It’s just a fucking message board… Go find me one that equals this one. When come back, bring more than pie. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/72 "2006-05-01T02:01:44Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Go find me one that equals this one. When come back, bring more than pie. Exactly. And people wonder why I don’t want to just leave already … ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/73 "2006-05-01T02:11:14Z")
My point was, how much longer will they give a shit. And not to sound snarky, but this “just you wait” sounds suspiciously like the same shit Tuba said that started the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/74 "2006-05-01T02:16:13Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Methinks you are a fucking idiot, Rose. > > You’re banned, again. A Rose, by any other name Would still smell like Shalimar™ from Guerlain. Which, to me, has a strong vanilla base. Reminds me of my Grammer. Kelsey Grammer is in the new X-Men movie. Which is rated PG-13 Hmmmm… conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/75 "2006-05-01T02:19:58Z")
Oh, and Sam, I like the board, reupped myself months ago, just not in the April thing. I just see storm clouds on the horizon. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/76 "2006-05-01T02:33:18Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > My point was, how much longer will they give a shit. > > And not to sound snarky, but this “just you wait” sounds suspiciously like the same shit Tuba said that started the whole thing. They’ll “give a shit” until they figure out how to make a buck off of this gig. Why would you flush something that has a promise in the future world of the internet to give them an income that they can’t get off of the old world model of a print newspaper? Newspapers, god bless them, are in a world of hurt. My local paper, the Akron Beacon Journal, in in danger of folding. And yes, you sound snarky. I’m not about dissembling. I try to tell it like it is. I apologize when I think I’m wrong. Usually. Trust me. The Reader will allow this money pit to continue, because it’s tied to the future. You and I are just lucky that’s the case. In any other scenario, we’d be toast. Rye, please. Hold the butter. ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/77 "2006-05-01T02:41:05Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > They’ll “give a shit” until they figure out how to make a buck off of this gig. Why would you flush something that has a promise in the future world of the internet to give them an income that they can’t get off of the old world model of a print newspaper? With all due respect, if they still can’t figure out how to make a buck off this gig it’s because they’ve had their fingers in their ears and blindfolds on. For _years_ there have been talented, skilled people with real-life business experience offering their expertise on how to make the boards profitable. Offers of donations have been rejected for ages - members have been willing to _flat out give you money!_ and yet you’re still claiming someone up the chain is scratching their heads about how to be profitable? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/78 "2006-05-01T02:41:24Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > My local paper [is] in danger of folding. [creative snipping mine] I woke up this morning to find my local paper had folded. With a rubber band around it. And under the shrubs by my front porch. Damn paperboy. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/79 "2006-05-01T02:48:42Z")
Well, we obviously agree then, to a point. You said:" They’ll give a shit until they figure out how to make a buck off of this gig." I said: “The Reader never figured out a way to make any money off the member database, so they probably don’t give a shit either.” It’s just a matter of degrees on “giving a shit”. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/80 "2006-05-01T02:52:58Z")
> [@XJETGIRLX](#): > > With all due respect, if they still can’t figure out how to make a buck off this gig it’s because they’ve had their fingers in their ears and blindfolds on. For _years_ there have been talented, skilled people with real-life business experience offering their expertise on how to make the boards profitable. Offers of donations have been rejected for ages - members have been willing to _flat out give you money!_ and yet you’re still claiming someone up the chain is scratching their heads about how to be profitable? Sorry, Missy. You just don’t get it. This is not about the “little” boards. This is about how to make the big buck in the big world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845.md?page=5)