# TubaDiva is not fit to be in a position of power on this board. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 30, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845 "2006-04-30T16:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/121 "2006-05-01T13:33:17Z")
Originally posted by **Lissa** > [@](#): > > _As for the call for suspension of Tuba, etc…, that is way out there. Furthermore, persecution of her beyond a simple request of clarification is way out of line and she does not deserve that._ **Lissa** ; The voice of reason. Thank you. I agree. Just for this I re-subcribed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/122 "2006-05-01T13:34:25Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I have not read the three pages of this thread, and I don’t intend to. Well that’s sure a good way to be able to offer an informed opinion on the topic, idn’t it, punkin? > [@](#): > > Honesty, my ass. Y’all are not asking for honesty, you’re asking for an abject apology, grovelling, and a public whipping. You’re looking for revenge. Lie the first. This started with a simple question posed to **TubaDiva** , and she could have saved the rest of that ATMB thread and this one by simply answering it with her next post. > [@](#): > > So, drop the bullshit. no u > [@](#): > > You’re not going to get any of it. Well it’s good to know you’re making her decisions for her now. Hear that everyone? _picks up megaphone_ _The decision has been made. Return to your homes. All is well! ALL IS WELL!_ > [@](#): > > **TubaDiva** made her perspective clear long, long ago, but why listen when you can continue to flog the long-dead horse? It’s so much more fun, isn’t it, to rant and rave about injustice on the Message Boards. Lie the second. **TubaDiva** has not posted on this issue since I posed the direct question to her in ATMB. She may have “made her perspective clear” in your _head_ or in an email to you or in some other manner, but she has certainly not made it clear here, on the boards. > [@](#): > > Enough. Those of you who hate these boards, my best suggestion is that you go elsewhere. There are hundreds of unmoderated boards out there, be my guest. You’ll have no moderators to scream and yell about, and you can enjoy yourself without any frustration. Can you point out a single instance of anyone in any of these related threads saying they hate these boards? Didn’t think so. > [@](#): > > But recognize reality: any time there’s moderated boards, or authority of any type, you’re going to find decisions and situations that you don’t agree with. Recognize reality: when people in positions of authority make decisions that we hoi polloi disagree with, they generally _explain_ those decisions (if they’re good leaders, that is), and when they fuck up, they apologize (ditto on the “good leaders” thing). > [@](#): > > Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Yeah, good you got that one in…after subscriptions were due, of course. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/123 "2006-05-01T13:43:32Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I have not read the three pages of this thread, and I don’t intend to. This is a disappointing statement. It doesn’t take long, and allows an accurate response. > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Honesty, my ass. Y’all are not asking for honesty, you’re asking for an abject apology, grovelling, and a public whipping. You’re looking for revenge. So, drop the bullshit. You’re not going to get any of it. **TubaDiva** made her perspective clear long, long ago, but why listen when you can continue to flog the long-dead horse? It’s so much more fun, isn’t it, to rant and rave about injustice on the Message Boards. Actually the OP asked for a clarification by TubaDiva of a statement that could be interpreted as ‘menacing by a Mod’. I also think you need to be careful when using hyperbole about complaining about ranting. :eek: > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Enough. Those of you who hate these boards, my best suggestion is that you go elsewhere. There are hundreds of unmoderated boards out there, be my guest. You’ll have no moderators to scream and yell about, and you can enjoy yourself without any frustration. But recognize reality: any time there’s moderated boards, or authority of any type, you’re going to find decisions and situations that you don’t agree with. Yes, this is a fine board (thanks to both the moderators and the intelligent posters 🆒 ) and the only one I pay money for. Nevertheless it is a commercial operation and customers are enititled to protest (politely of course). > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Not helpful. > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Unless, of course, you get your jollies out of yelling at authority. In that case, I suggest you channel your energies where they’ll do some good: find some real injustices, out there on the streets or in the halls of government, and raise your voice in protest. There’s lots of worthy causes out there in the real world that matter, where you can get your emotional highs fighting for something meaningful. Posting from England, I find this message board very helpful in understanding the US viewpoint on all sorts of World issues. I also get rapid answers to difficult questions and learn about cultural topics. I don’t see why you mention all the above. I’m sure moderating is a thankless task (I’m a teacher, so I know about dealing with relentless pressure from ‘customers’), but you need to stay calm to keep the SDMB standards high. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/124 "2006-05-01T14:09:40Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > I’ve already said that although I think I deserve an apology for being called a liar, I am not asking for one nor do I ever expect there to be one. How exactly is saying “I deserve an apology” not a request for one? ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/125 "2006-05-01T14:20:01Z")
I think TubaDiva was making a snarky joke. I don’t think she ever paused to consider that it might be taken as a threat, simply because she would _never dream of_ banning catsix due to a personal disagreement, or whatever. She gets a little pissy sometimes. That’s it. She doesn’t go modzilla and squish mere members under her heels. Sometimes she shows the stress a little, and every twitch gets a 3-page Pit thread PLUS something locked in ATMB. I think I’d get irritable sometimes myself. Anyway, I do think that there should be a new rule to avoid future misunderstandings like this, which is that mods must not even joke about abusing their power like that. I mean, come on, you guys. Obviously, mods shouldn’t joke about banning people they don’t like. I think maybe that sort of got lost in the anti-tuba-diva BS, understandably, but it’s ridiculous to say that wasn’t the joke she was making. It’s also ridiculous to say it was anything but a (snarky) joke – calling it a ‘threat’ is silly and overdramatic, because she’d never actually do that, which is why she was comfortable joking about it. That’s my assessment, anyway. And all that’s fine, but given the result, I think it’s prudent to say that in the future, mods won’t make reference to their modly powers unless they’re actually planning to use them. I mean, even if there is another explanation and TD was saying something else entirely, that seems like a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/126 "2006-05-01T14:35:28Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I have not read the three pages of this thread, and I don’t intend to. > > Honesty, my ass. Y’all are not asking for honesty, you’re asking for an abject apology, grovelling, and a public whipping. You’re looking for revenge. So, drop the bullshit. You’re not going to get any of it. **TubaDiva** made her perspective clear long, long ago, but why listen when you can continue to flog the long-dead horse? It’s so much more fun, isn’t it, to rant and rave about injustice on the Message Boards. > > Enough. Those of you who hate these boards, my best suggestion is that you go elsewhere. There are hundreds of unmoderated boards out there, be my guest. You’ll have no moderators to scream and yell about, and you can enjoy yourself without any frustration. But recognize reality: any time there’s moderated boards, or authority of any type, you’re going to find decisions and situations that you don’t agree with. > > Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. > > Unless, of course, you get your jollies out of yelling at authority. In that case, I suggest you channel your energies where they’ll do some good: find some real injustices, out there on the streets or in the halls of government, and raise your voice in protest. There’s lots of worthy causes out there in the real world that matter, where you can get your emotional highs fighting for something meaningful. Well, that was helpful. At least there was a little humor in it: an administrator of a board devoted to fighting ignorance comes into a thread with guns blazing but starts off with an admission that he hasn’t read the posts in the thread. Hey guys, sit up straight. I think one of you is leaning on the SDMB “Self Destruct” button. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/127 "2006-05-01T14:38:52Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > However, a request to have authority figures explain themselves, admit when they are mistaken and act responsibly with that authority is not wholly unreasonable on a board that is about 1) “fighting ignorance” and 2) pay to post. I would normally agree, except for the nature of the request. This isn’t the student raising his hand in class asking the prof to restate his last paragraph. This is the drunk frat boy pushing his finger in your chest saying “What the fuck did you just say?” He didn’t mis-hear you, he thinks you insulted him and is now giving you the chance to back down, that’s what I think the crowd wants. If Tuba came in and said it wasn’t a veiled threat, I don’t think the Anti crowd would say “Oh, ok, thanks for setting it straight.” I think it would be a launching point for another few pages of rants and complaints picking apart every word of her explanation. Given that, I wouldn’t bother answering the question either. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/128 "2006-05-01T14:39:59Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > How exactly is saying “I deserve an apology” not a request for one? “I deserve an apology” is an opinion about the offense, a statement to the readers of the thread that the behavior, under normal circumstances, should have been apologized for. Something directed to the offending party along the lines of “You should apologize to me for what you did” would be a request for an apology. These are different things. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/129 "2006-05-01T14:41:17Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I would normally agree, except for the nature of the request. This isn’t the student raising his hand in class asking the prof to restate his last paragraph. This is the drunk frat boy pushing his finger in your chest saying “What the fuck did you just say?” He didn’t mis-hear you, he thinks you insulted him and is now giving you the chance to back down, that’s what I think the crowd wants. > > If Tuba came in and said it wasn’t a veiled threat, I don’t think the Anti crowd would say “Oh, ok, thanks for setting it straight.” I think it would be a launching point for another few pages of rants and complaints picking apart every word of her explanation. Given that, I wouldn’t bother answering the question either. Could you do me a favor and go back to the ATMB thread where I first asked the question, read it, then see if you still hold that opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/130 "2006-05-01T14:47:43Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > “I deserve an apology” is an opinion about the offense, a statement to the readers of the thread that the behavior, under normal circumstances, should have been apologized for. Something directed to the offending party along the lines of “You should apologize to me for what you did” would be a request for an apology. These are different things. I disagree. I view **catsix’s** “I think I’m owed an apology” statement like when my girlfriend said “I’m cold” to me last night. She wasn’t just stating that she was cold. She was insinuating that I needed to close the windows and get her a pair of socks and a blanket. For all this talk about what **TubaDiva** _really_ meant, despite her not actually saying it, I find this highly hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/131 "2006-05-01T15:09:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Well, that was helpful. > > At least there was a little humor in it: an administrator of a board devoted to fighting ignorance comes into a thread with guns blazing but starts off with an admission that he hasn’t read the posts in the thread. > > Hey guys, sit up straight. I think one of you is leaning on the SDMB “Self Destruct” button. Hmm. Could it be that **Dex** didn’t bother to read the three pages of this thread because he had a strong suspicion that it was identical in tone and matter to the two previous threads on the subject? If so, the suspicion was well-founded. ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/132 "2006-05-01T15:15:18Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I have not read the three pages of this thread, and I don’t intend to. Well, glad to see you’re taking an active interest in what the members are discussing. > [@](#): > > Honesty, my ass. Y’all are not asking for honesty, you’re asking for an abject apology, grovelling, and a public whipping. You’re looking for revenge. So, drop the bullshit. You’re not going to get any of it. **TubaDiva** made her perspective clear long, long ago, but why listen when you can continue to flog the long-dead horse? It’s so much more fun, isn’t it, to rant and rave about injustice on the Message Boards. Her perspective being “I regard you with such contempt that I refuse to dignify your concerns with a response.” Lovely behavior from someone in a position of power. > [@](#): > > Enough. Those of you who hate these boards, my best suggestion is that you go elsewhere. There are hundreds of unmoderated boards out there, be my guest. You’ll have no moderators to scream and yell about, and you can enjoy yourself without any frustration. But recognize reality: any time there’s moderated boards, or authority of any type, you’re going to find decisions and situations that you don’t agree with. > > Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Ah, yes, “if you’re not with us you’re against us.” You know what, **Dex**? I don’t hate these boards. I think the community here is, by and large, one of the best on the Internet. That’s what bothers me about this entire situation: those of you with titles other than “Member” under your names are acting in a manner that is unprofessional and insulting, quite frankly, and that’s not the SDMB I signed up for, and it’s damn sure not what I paid for. > [@](#): > > Unless, of course, you get your jollies out of yelling at authority. In that case, I suggest you channel your energies where they’ll do some good: find some real injustices, out there on the streets or in the halls of government, and raise your voice in protest. There’s lots of worthy causes out there in the real world that matter, where you can get your emotional highs fighting for something meaningful. And here’s the “it’s just a message board” argument again. If it’s “just a message board,” then how is what **Tuba** does essentially vital to the continued survival of the boards? After all, “it’s just a message board,” it’s not that big a deal, right? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/133 "2006-05-01T15:22:45Z")
I’m going to agree with Dex insofar as him not reading this thread. It was started by the same Op, about the same topic, as a very recent thread he did read. While the probability of a new topic being generated was not zero, it was low. Reading the last page suggested it was zero. Thus, he did not need to read the first several pages. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/134 "2006-05-01T15:27:01Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > Could you do me a favor and go back to the ATMB thread where I first asked the question, read it, then see if you still hold that opinion? Sure, no prob > [@Garfield226 from ATMB thread](#): > > Just what was it you would like to promise catsix in this quote: \ > > Because honestly, I can only read it as a threat of banning or suspension, which you’ve just clarified is “not something that happens here,” or another type of threat which you know very well is against the rules. You’ve admitted that you can only read it as a threat and you’re asking for clarification of just what sort of threat it is. You seriously expect me to believe you would have taken “It wasn’t a threat” from TubaDiva at face value? ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/135 "2006-05-01T15:50:55Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > You’ve admitted that you can only read it as a threat and you’re asking for clarification of just what sort of threat it is. > > You seriously expect me to believe you would have taken “It wasn’t a threat” from TubaDiva at face value? Actually, I admitted I could only read it as a threat, and I asked for clarification whether it was or not, not “what sort of threat it is”. Just because I could only read it as one doesn’t mean that’s definitely what it was: Unlike some of the folks in power around here, I don’t hold any delusions that I can read minds. That’s precisely why I asked for a response. As I allowed for later in the thread, it’s possible, and perhaps even likely that I haven’t considered all the possibilites for what **Tuba** meant, and indeed, some other members have come up with plausible interpretations. However, as I said, I can’t read minds (apparently unlike all those folks who said, “She meant this, duh.”), which is why I asked. I also said in that thread that “I’m sorry you saw what I said as a threat” wouldn’t answer my question because, well, it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/136 "2006-05-01T16:05:26Z")
> [@](#): > > **Lord Ashtar** said: > How exactly is saying “I deserve an apology” not a request for one? It was a simple statement of opinion. I’ve also stated several times that I will not ask for an apology, nor do I expect one. > [@](#): > > I disagree. I view catsix’s “I think I’m owed an apology” statement like when my girlfriend said “I’m cold” to me last night. She wasn’t just stating that she was cold. She was insinuating that I needed to close the windows and get her a pair of socks and a blanket. I’m not your girlfriend, and I believe that it’s unreasonable for you to assume that my statements should be interpreted the same way that you would interpret statements from your girlfriend. If I was asking for an apology, I would’ve said something like ‘You should apologize to me for what you said.’ or ‘I want an apology.’ Why would you project your girlfriend’s state of mind onto me? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/137 "2006-05-01T16:20:52Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Why would you project your girlfriend’s state of mind onto me? Because all you women are exactly alike. 😉 Seriously though, if you don’t want or need an apology, then why keep harping on this? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/138 "2006-05-01T16:25:20Z")
My first post in the thread here had nothing to do with an apology, it had to do with donations of time and labor to the boards, and a couple of suggestions of money making ideas and/or suggestions to make the place more appealing (T-shirt design contest, merch links, and the possibility of skins for vB). I only brought up that I had _not asked for one_ in response to **C K Dexter Haven** saying that I had. I haven’t started a single thread about the matter, and I doubt I have anywhere near the most posts regarding it. I don’t think the words ‘harping on it’ apply to me. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/139 "2006-05-01T16:30:51Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > _Irrational venting snipped_ In the future, try not to put the drugs and the sugar next to the coffeepot, lest you continue to accidentally spike your coffee with meth. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/140 "2006-05-01T16:38:06Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I have not read the three pages of this thread… Do you fiddle with the ball bearings and Tuba obsesses over the strawberry incident or vice versa? I’ve stayed out of this controversy so far, but with this post you’ve convinced me that it is time for you and Tuba both to step down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845.md?page=8)