# TubaDiva is not fit to be in a position of power on this board. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 30, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845 "2006-04-30T16:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/161 "2006-05-02T00:20:27Z")
Until today, I have never given a shit about these ridiculous battles between mods and members beyond a passing amusement, but holy hell after that post by Dex I am really starting to regret forking over my money. What a shameful way to treat your paying customers. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/162 "2006-05-02T02:04:35Z")
> [@Diane](#): > > Until today, I have never given a shit about these ridiculous battles between mods and members beyond a passing amusement, but holy hell after that post by Dex I am really starting to regret forking over my money. > > What a shameful way to treat your paying customers. What she said. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/163 "2006-05-02T02:43:49Z")
> [@Diane](#): > > Until today, I have never given a shit about these ridiculous battles between mods and members beyond a passing amusement, but holy hell after that post by Dex I am really starting to regret forking over my money. > > What a shameful way to treat your paying customers. I agree with your first thought, that the battles between mods (or admins) and posters is ridiculous, and that’s on a good day. But I wonder about the second part of the equation. Did your expectations of treatment from mods change when it went to pay to post? Did the fact you were now a “paying customer” change your expectations of how you would be treated? For me, I certainly didn’t. The mods and admins don’t really factor into my feelings about the dope, and, to be honest, $7.95 or $15.00 a year doesn’t really matter all that much to me. So I never really felt that all of a sudden now that I’m paying, the admins and mods couldn’t be annoying as hell. Now I agree that **Dex’s** post was stupid, inflammatory, and a waste. I can also see where it comes from, because him and his are constantly under attack and he, as **Tuba** did earlier, snapped. As has happened to pretty much every poster here. It happens. But I guess I never really understood the whole entitlement idea that comes with being a “paying customer”. If you get a second, and have the patience to, could you expand on the idea a bit? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/164 "2006-05-02T02:49:53Z")
I agree that **Tubadiva** does not deserve to be in a position of power over this board. As far as I can tell she has done nothing so terrible as to deserve having to put up with all the whiny bullshit, which can’t be half so bad as the histrionic self-important fabricated drama over mere pittances that she must embroil herself in on a day to day basis. I just assume that she must have been a very bad person in a previous life and this go around she is being forced to make amends. I like Tuba. She’s been nice to me. She hasn’t always been on my side. I don’t think she’s always right, but she seems very decent, and the times I’ve been in contact with her she’s always been generous with her time and considerate concerning issues that were really only important to me. If I was in her shoes I don’t think I would have been so nice with an asshole like me, and in my observations on the board in general she seems to be disproportionately accomodating to dipshits, drama queens, the inept, the generally confused, those damaged by collisions with reality, as well as your run of the mill assholes, and less accomodating to people she thinks oughtta know better. Perhaps she overestimated in this case. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/165 "2006-05-02T03:20:01Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Moderation here has now officially jumped the shark. Umm yeah. I also agree with: > [@Diane](#): > > Until today, I have never given a shit about these ridiculous battles between mods and members beyond a passing amusement, but holy hell after that post by Dex I am really starting to regret forking over my money. > > What a shameful way to treat your paying customers. I’m mainly a lurker here, and not a big catsix fan (major understatement here\<–) but I think she was totaly dissed. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/166 "2006-05-02T03:37:00Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I agree with your first thought, that the battles between mods (or admins) and posters is ridiculous, and that’s on a good day. But I wonder about the second part of the equation. Did your expectations of treatment from mods change when it went to pay to post? Did the fact you were now a “paying customer” change your expectations of how you would be treated? For me, I certainly didn’t. The mods and admins don’t really factor into my feelings about the dope, and, to be honest, $7.95 or $15.00 a year doesn’t really matter all that much to me. So I never really felt that all of a sudden now that I’m paying, the admins and mods couldn’t be annoying as hell. > > Now I agree that **Dex’s** post was stupid, inflammatory, and a waste. I can also see where it comes from, because him and his are constantly under attack and he, as **Tuba** did earlier, snapped. As has happened to pretty much every poster here. It happens. But I guess I never really understood the whole entitlement idea that comes with being a “paying customer”. If you get a second, and have the patience to, could you expand on the idea a bit? The mods put up with a lot of bullshit from some posters and some posters are treated (IMHO) unfairly by some mods. That’s just life at the SDMB. It’s always been that way and always will be. I agree, my $7.95 is pennies. I spend more than that renting a couple of movies at Blockbusters and that is for only a few hours of entertainment compared to an entire year on the Dope. However, once you take someone’s money, regardless of the amount, your obligations to your customers and your business changes. Dex’s post was completely out of line and while I was not involved in the Tuba/Catsix/Garfield thing (and really couldn’t care less), I still read his post as a slam on us, their customers. Not a good way to build, and keep, a lucrative business. $7.95 or $795.00, I have paid for the opportunity to use their services. Part of that service should include some type of customer relations. Dex’s post very clearly showed that the members of this board are thought of as nothing more than pain in their asses. I think it is shameful to take people’s money and then treat them with complete disregard. So yeah, my expectations may have changed a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/167 "2006-05-02T09:18:02Z")
**Dex** , I have kept out of the Tuba/catsix squabble because it had no bearing on me, but I have read the threads (hey, slow day at work). This post, however, I feel I have to answer. > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I have not read the three pages of this thread, and I don’t intend to. For you to answer the questions raised in this thread, you would have to actually read the thread. To declare you haven’t read it and don’t intend to says to me that you came in here with your mind made up about the situation and nothing anyone says will change it. This is a bad position for someone in your position and authority to assume. > [@](#): > > Honesty, my ass. Y’all are not asking for honesty, you’re asking for an abject apology, grovelling, and a public whipping. You’re looking for revenge. So, drop the bullshit. You’re not going to get any of it. Some people are asking for that, but most, like myself, are just looking for some clarification on the points raised in the threads. > [@](#): > > **TubaDiva** made her perspective clear long, long ago, but why listen when you can continue to flog the long-dead horse? It’s so much more fun, isn’t it, to rant and rave about injustice on the Message Boards. I may be wrong, but I don’t think I saw **Tuba** ever make her perspective clear about what she ment in the post to **catsix** about the “promise” to her that started all this mess. I must say that this lack of response has really disappointed me. I’m not looking for an apology or any grovelling, just an explanation. > [@](#): > > Enough. Those of you who hate these boards, my best suggestion is that you go elsewhere. There are hundreds of unmoderated boards out there, be my guest. You’ll have no moderators to scream and yell about, and you can enjoy yourself without any frustration. But recognize reality: any time there’s moderated boards, or authority of any type, you’re going to find decisions and situations that you don’t agree with. > > Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. > > Unless, of course, you get your jollies out of yelling at authority. In that case, I suggest you channel your energies where they’ll do some good: find some real injustices, out there on the streets or in the halls of government, and raise your voice in protest. There’s lots of worthy causes out there in the real world that matter, where you can get your emotional highs fighting for something meaningful. I don’t have much to say to this except most of the people I’ve seen posting in these threads aren’t complaining that they hate the boards, just that they are frustrated in how the mods and admins seem to “circle the wagons” instead of giving a straight answer when they are questioned. One post from **Tuba** could have ended this shit days ago. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/168 "2006-05-02T13:01:27Z")
Ah well, best of luck to you all. In my experience there are only three ways to deal with mods/Admins you are unhappy with in user communities: [ol] [li]Get over it[/li][li]Leave[/li][li]Become a mod/admin yourself and get to armwrestle your enemies on an equal basis[/li][li]Donate a server or something equally valuable and thereby bribe your way into the decision-making circles[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/169 "2006-05-02T13:27:17Z")
> [@slaphead](#): > > Ah well, best of luck to you all. In my experience there are only three ways to deal with mods/Admins you are unhappy with in user communities: > [ol] > [li]Get over it[/li][li]Leave[/li][li]Become a mod/admin yourself and get to armwrestle your enemies on an equal basis[/li][li]Donate a server or something equally valuable and thereby bribe your way into the decision-making circles[/li][/ol] That was four. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/170 "2006-05-02T13:36:55Z")
::Yawn:: Is this still going on? This is such a non-issue… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/171 "2006-05-02T13:53:06Z")
> [@Diane](#): > > That was four. Wait, he’ll come in again. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/172 "2006-05-02T14:47:32Z")
Ohhh… bad **Dex**. Bad BAD **Dex**! You apologize right now, young man! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/173 "2006-05-02T16:38:56Z")
> [@BooBoo316](#): > > One post from **Tuba** could have ended this shit days ago. I doubt it. Some of the people who have a bug up their ass about this would find something in her response that they didn’t like and would request further clarification. Then this whole thing would drag on even longer (of course, I’m not helping by posting to this thread, but whatever). ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/174 "2006-05-02T16:41:43Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > I doubt it. Some of the people who have a bug up their ass about this would find something in her response that they didn’t like and would request further clarification. Then this whole thing would drag on even longer (of course, I’m not helping by posting to this thread, but whatever). I never realized we had so many mindreaders around here. It really is amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/175 "2006-05-02T16:52:26Z")
> [@Who\_me?](#): > > ::Yawn:: > Is this still going on? This is such a non-issue… It was 'til **Dex** barged in. That guy has such a tin ear when it comes to things like this. Like I’ve said before 95% of the time **Dex** does a decent job. Nothing special, but good. The other 5% look like what he did in this thread and totally overshadow any good he’s done before. Some people just don’t do conflict and/or pressure well. **Dex** is clearly one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/176 "2006-05-02T16:55:39Z")
Perhaps someone should open a new Pit thread for Dex’s post - i’m sure a lot of people haven’t seen it, given that a lot of people would read the thread name and think there’s nothing new here. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/177 "2006-05-02T17:05:05Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > a lot of people would read the thread name and think there’s nothing new here. Which is what got **Dex** into trouble in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/178 "2006-05-02T17:17:12Z")
I don’t understand why everyone has to make the whole moderation thing so fucking out of proportion. Seriously. I’ve read these boards for more than 3 years. If you don’t discuss doing something illegal yourself, don’t directly flame someone and act like a proper sentient being, then you won’t have a run-in with the mods at all. If you want the power to flame incessantly and talk about your illegal activities, go to Fark or LiveJournal or something. You need to do something monumental like shoot a 1920’s Style Death Ray at the admin to get banned here, so it isn’t that big of a deal. This board is modded and administered by some of the most diligent people on the net. If you think it is bad here, I can name several places that would blind the average Doper in horror. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/179 "2006-05-02T17:22:28Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > I don’t understand why everyone has to make the whole moderation thing so fucking out of proportion. Seriously. I’ve read these boards for more than 3 years. If you don’t discuss doing something illegal yourself, don’t directly flame someone and act like a proper sentient being, then you won’t have a run-in with the mods at all. > > If you want the power to flame incessantly and talk about your illegal activities, go to Fark or LiveJournal or something. > > You need to do something monumental like shoot a 1920’s Style Death Ray at the admin to get banned here, so it isn’t that big of a deal. This board is modded and administered by some of the most diligent people on the net. If you think it is bad here, I can name several places that would blind the average Doper in horror. Thanks for your [del]massive strawman[/del] opinion, but it really has nothing to do with the thread or what precipitated it. What we’re talking about here is an administrator who, in some posters’ opinions, threatened a member with either physical harm or banning when the member hadn’t done something illegal or flamed someone and had been acting like a proper sentient being. The administrator then refused to clarify her statement when she was directly asked, even to say, no, you’re wrong, I meant this. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845/180 "2006-05-02T19:38:25Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > What we’re talking about here is an administrator who, in some posters’ opinions, threatened a member with either physical harm or banning when the member hadn’t done something illegal or flamed someone and had been acting like a proper sentient being. The administrator then refused to clarify her statement when she was directly asked, even to say, no, you’re wrong, I meant this. Will you fucking listen to yourself? Physical harm, my ass. Idiot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-is-not-fit-to-be-in-a-position-of-power-on-this-board/354845.md?page=10)