# TubaDiva: WTF? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574 "2009-02-12T18:55:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/21 "2009-02-13T13:42:53Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Did you read the thread or just the post? Liberal gave a snarky comment. Tuba called him on it. He apologized without reservation. Then there was civil back and forth between two posters trying to explain their positions on the topic at hand. Then Tuba came back and told them to break it up and stop arguing. It was minor. It wasn’t even a warning. Doesn’t deserve a pitting except for whatever other history there is behind it. But it was wrong. Ok, I see what you are saying. Lazy OP then. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/22 "2009-02-13T13:44:04Z")
> [@Sapo](#): > > Ok, I see what you are saying. Lazy OP then. Yeah, that’s fair. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/23 "2009-02-13T14:03:50Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Respect and regret are not functions of one another. I regretted my actions because I knew that I ran afoul of that forum’s guidelines, even though it was Tuba who called it. If you believe it was wrong to apologize, please explain your reasoning. I said “depth” so clearly that you quoted it. The rest of your post is misdirected, for one reason or another. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/24 "2009-02-13T14:11:32Z")
> [@hawthorne](#): > > I said “depth” so clearly that you quoted it. The rest of your post is misdirected, for one reason or another. I’ve read that a few times and I still can’t figure it out. I don’t mean that in a snarky way. I just don’t understand what you are saying. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/25 "2009-02-13T14:29:04Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’ve read that a few times and I still can’t figure it out. I don’t mean that in a snarky way. I just don’t understand what you are saying. Fair enough. I said that “the depth of **Liberal** ’s “apology without reservation” in that thread” was “pretty clear” - that is, that it was not very deep at all. And that **Liberal** ’s suggestions that I was saying that he was wrong to apologise or that various things were functions of each other were confusions - mistaken, deliberately introduced or crazy-arsed. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/26 "2009-02-13T14:33:45Z")
> [@hawthorne](#): > > Fair enough. I said that “the depth of **Liberal** ’s “apology without reservation” in that thread” was “pretty clear” - that is, that it was not very deep at all. And that **Liberal** ’s suggestions that I was saying that he was wrong to apologise or that various things were functions of each other were confusions - mistaken, deliberately introduced or crazy-arsed. Clear enough. I have to disagree. I don’t agree with what Liberal says a lot of the time but I believe he is honest and says what he believes. But other than that I got nothing. I’ll leave you two to fight it out. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/27 "2009-02-13T15:06:43Z")
> [@hawthorne](#): > > Fair enough. I said that “the depth of **Liberal** ’s “apology without reservation” in that thread” was “pretty clear” - that is, that it was not very deep at all. And that **Liberal** ’s suggestions that I was saying that he was wrong to apologise or that various things were functions of each other were confusions - mistaken, deliberately introduced or crazy-arsed. Since we’re being all tightly focused and everything on a single brief phrase — “apology without reservation” — to the exclusion of all else, it should be noted that I’m not the one who used it. As to the depth of my apology, I leave the measurement of that to you and J. Evans Pritchard, PhD. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/28 "2009-02-13T15:10:02Z")
Wow. **Lib, Sapo, TubaDiva** – and yet this pitting just can’t get any traction. Must not be much there to pit about, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/29 "2009-02-13T15:17:08Z")
I’m boring these days. What can I say. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/30 "2009-02-13T15:32:45Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Wow. **Lib, Sapo, TubaDiva** – and yet this pitting just can’t get any traction. Must not be much there to pit about, eh? 😉 Can’t win them all. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/31 "2009-02-13T20:36:31Z")
FWIW, **Tuba** ’s post was a WTF moment for me, as well. There didn’t seem to be any arguing going on. At least, nothing that needed moderator intervention. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574/32 "2009-02-13T21:04:54Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > FWIW, **Tuba** ’s post was a WTF moment for me, as well. There didn’t seem to be any arguing going on. At least, nothing that needed moderator intervention. Okay buster, that’s quite enough. If you’re looking for a place to air out your dirty laundry, I would suggest you go to Northeast England. This isn’t a thread for you to just take over and start rambling. Gitcher britches outta yer ear ‘n’ hold the coffee! Don’t make me peck out any more non sequiturs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tubadiva-wtf/485574.md?page=1)