# Tucker Carlson deserves to be afraid **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235 "2018-11-09T10:47:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/101 "2018-11-10T17:02:57Z")
From what I gather without actually paying attention, Tucker Tucker Bug Fucker is eating into Sean Hannity’s dominance at Fox. At this time, there is no actual prospect of a Steel Cage Death Match, but we can dream. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/102 "2018-11-10T17:32:32Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [Another guy who got harassed after Tucker spread hateful lies about him.](https://www.kqed.org/news/11705020/w-kamau-bell-to-fox-news-tucker-carlson-i-can-imagine-how-you-feel-right-now) > > And here’s the deal: people get doxxed all the time by right-wing nuts. Most of them are ordinary people who happened to say something that some group of wingnuts took offense at. They usually don’t have much in the way of resources to deal with the crap that gets thrown at them. Did Tucker Carlson post this guy’s home address? Did he tell his followers to harass this person? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/103 "2018-11-10T17:44:07Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [Another guy who got harassed after Tucker spread hateful lies about him.](https://www.kqed.org/news/11705020/w-kamau-bell-to-fox-news-tucker-carlson-i-can-imagine-how-you-feel-right-now) So, the foundation for our factual evaluation of this report is “Tucker Carlson is known to make up phony stories about ‘antifa’ terrorism?” Hokay. You guys chase the wolf that is supposedly attacking the herd; I’m gonna sleep in. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/104 "2018-11-10T17:49:25Z")
False flag! Fake news! Hey…that’s easy. I can see the attraction. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/105 "2018-11-10T19:16:59Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Did he tell his followers to harass this person? Who told Cesar Sayoc that Trump’s twitter feed was a hit list? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/106 "2018-11-10T19:27:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So you are pro-terrorist up until the publicity is bad. Such morality! The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is pretty much up to their publicist. > [@Blalron](#): > > Personally, I’d take a selfie of my self standing right next to one, wearing an “I’m With Stupid” [arrow sign pointed toward tiki torcher] shirt. I wouldn’t stand next to a Nazi and claim that I am with them, but you do you. Mabe a shirt that says, “I am _not_ with this stupid racist nazi.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/107 "2018-11-11T01:06:13Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [Another guy who got harassed after Tucker spread hateful lies about him.](https://www.kqed.org/news/11705020/w-kamau-bell-to-fox-news-tucker-carlson-i-can-imagine-how-you-feel-right-now) > > And here’s the deal: people get doxxed all the time by right-wing nuts. Most of them are ordinary people who happened to say something that some group of wingnuts took offense at. They usually don’t have much in the way of resources to deal with the crap that gets thrown at them. > > But Tucker Carlson’s fucking _rich_. He earns more in a year than most people will see in their lifetimes. If he feels the need for a security detail outside his door 24/7 for the next year, he can afford it. Christine Blasey Ford can’t. W. Kamau Bell probably can’t. The guy who tweets as Sleeping Giants can’t. > > If Tucker was saying, “this shouldn’t have happened, but at least it happened to someone like me that has the resources to keep his family safe, but think of all the people who are on the receiving end of this sort of treatment who aren’t so lucky,” I might actually have a smidgen of respect for him. Instead, he’s just “me, me, me.” Stuff like this shouldn’t be happening to **him**. And that’s as far as it goes for him. > > Fuck him. Perhaps you need reminding that [Republicans are ALWAYS the REAL victims! :rolleyes:](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=864487) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/108 "2018-11-11T01:09:04Z")
> [@Batano](#): > > I have no idea. You went off on a tangent about crazy people when I was talking about alternatives to violently confronting people you disagree with. :rolleyes: A direct reply to what you posted is a “tangent” now. :rolleyes: There’s a connection there, **Batano** : the people you were talking about and the people I was talking about _are the same people_. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/109 "2018-11-11T04:14:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Robert McNamara. Big time. For whatever that is worth. He’s probably the ONLY one. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/110 "2018-11-11T04:19:18Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Speaking of “dumb”, this is an example of how illiteracy impairs communication. It’s impossible to tell if you’re alleging that Carlson believes that _ **none** _ of the people in the migrant caravan are asylum seekers, or that _ **some** _ of them might not be, in which case the appropriate statement is “… he realizes that those in the caravan are _ **not all** _ asylum seekers”. Both are bullshit, of course, but I find that bullshit and illiteracy are usually highly correlated. > > Yes, most people are sane, and most people know this. Unfortunately one of the most prominent ones who does _ **not** _ know it is the racist bigot who is the Dear Leader of the party you appear to be aligned with, who once openly called for “Second Amendment remedies” at one of his Nazi-style rallies, who has been implicitly supportive of white supremacists, and whose hateful and racist rhetoric emboldened and incited the pipe bomber, who was practically a caricature of a Trump sycophant. Well said. Ah yes, the Caravan Of Doom. It was SO important. Dear Leader had to mobilize the Army for uhhhhhhhh something or other. Death. Destruction. Doom. Saying (without ACTUALLY saying because he has no balls) that it would be OK to shoot them if they brandish imaginary rocks). So right AFTER the election day, suddenly we don’t hear SHIT about it. How bout dat. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/111 "2018-11-11T04:21:21Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > OK, let’s examine the possibility that some of them intend terrorism. They would have started their charade somewhere in Central Mexico and waited around until a mob decided they wanted to travel to the US. They knew there were enough victims of crimes, looting, rape, drug gangs, and other such horrors who would want to leave their homes permanently. They just waited around a few years for the caravan of victims to form while avoiding the same dangers themselves. > > Then, they were willing to walk thousands of miles all the way to America for a chance to sneak in and make mischief. Why wouldn’t they just fly in and say they’re Trump’s new groundskeepers instead? That would save a lot more work, time, and give them access to Mar-A-Lago like tootsie rolls from a goose’s ass. Remember the 911ers? I’m sure they came up with a much easier way to infiltrate than having to wait for human caravans to pass by. From what I see, the terrorists have all been right wing white guys, home grown. And TRUMPIES. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/112 "2018-11-11T04:28:31Z")
> [@poweroftheglory](#): > > Why are liberals so naive? This obsession with never riling up the right is absurd. It doesn’t matter how much you try to appease the right, the right wing of this country will always hate you no matter what you do and will make up whatever bullshit to justify that hate. This. Now where is that old NY Times “editorial”, where Jews were being told to be nicer to Nazis??? Here it is… > **[URGES GOOD WILL BY JEWS FOR NAZIS; Prof. Cadbury of Society of Friends Says...](https://www.nytimes.com/1934/06/15/archives/urges-good-will-by-jews-for-nazis-prof-cadbury-of-society-of.html)** > > H J Cadbury says good will by Jews toward Nazis will gain more than hate; Rabbi S H Goldenson sees remedy to situation through improvement of soc relations “, WERNERSVILLE, Pa., June 14.-- Good will, not hate or reprisals, will end, or offset, the evils of the Hitler government’s persecution of Jews, Professor Henry J, Cadbury, Professor of Biblical Literature at Bryn Mawr College, told the Central Conference of American Rabbis as it opened its convention here today. …” Yeah. THAT worked real good. Uh huh. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/113 "2018-11-11T06:29:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This. Now where is that old NY Times “editorial”, where Jews were being told to be nicer to Nazis??? > Here it is… > > [https://www.nytimes.com/1934/06/15/archives/urges-good-will-by-jews-for-nazis-prof-cadbury-of-society-of.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1934/06/15/archives/urges-good-will-by-jews-for-nazis-prof-cadbury-of-society-of.html) > > “, WERNERSVILLE, Pa., June 14.-- Good will, not hate or reprisals, will end, or offset, the evils of the Hitler government’s persecution of Jews, Professor Henry J, Cadbury, Professor of Biblical Literature at Bryn Mawr College, told the Central Conference of American Rabbis as it opened its convention here today. …” > > Yeah. THAT worked real good. Uh huh. It’s interesting looking at the some of the editorials from that era. Many people completely missed the threat that Hitler posed, and just branded him a buffoon, a clever politician who was just riling people up but didn’t mean all the terrible stuff he said he was going to do. Besides, the Weimar Constitution will keep him in check! No need to worry our pretty little heads about him. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/114 "2018-11-11T07:11:40Z")
A few things: Tucker Carlson wasn’t home during the event, his wife was. Also, he has two kids, what is their sin? Having a piece of shit for a father? What is the hoped for outcome of this event? Really, what positive thing is going to come out of a bunch of suburban kids playing activist? The comparison to Nazi Germany is not fitting, not because I don’t think that America is on the path to authoritarianism, but because Tucker does not represent the state. Now, if people were to take violent action against supporters of voter suppression within the state government of Georgia, I think that is different and warranted; they are legitimate targets. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/115 "2018-11-11T14:55:53Z")
Just a small quibble/ sidenote: > [@madmonk28](#): > > …Tucker does not represent the state… Certainly not _de jure_. But a rational case can be made that he is an integral part of the State’s propaganda arm. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/116 "2018-11-11T16:40:55Z")
He’s certainly part of the GOP’s propaganda arm, but even then I believe it is wrong and pointless to vandalism his home. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/117 "2018-11-11T16:58:36Z")
Carlson’s a verbal bomb-thrower. I’m perfectly good with people throwing verbal bombs back in proximity. Vandalism no, and I presume pretty early on, you run afoul of disturbing the peace or whatever. That’s for the cops to enforce. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/118 "2018-11-11T17:22:32Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > So, the foundation for our factual evaluation of this report is “Tucker Carlson is known to make up phony stories about ‘antifa’ terrorism?” > > Hokay. You guys chase the wolf that is supposedly attacking the herd; I’m gonna sleep in. You’re acting like that’s not a good argument. It is. Past indication of lying is a good indication of lying in the future. Someone who has lied about a particular issue in the past more than twice is assumed to be lying again in the future. We have this moral encoded as stories: the boy who cries wolf. That said, it’s not the entire basis, since we apparently have footage that shows he lied, and direct physical evidence that showed he lied. Problem is, they fucking said shit online that is bad enough. They didn’t control their rhetoric to make sure it was nonviolent. And, because of that, Tucker’s lies seem real to a lot of people. They fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![contradancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@contradancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/contradancer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/119 "2018-11-11T17:31:19Z")
I’m afraid of people like you. I hope you don’t have any family because they will suffer because of your sick view of the world. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/120 "2018-11-11T17:59:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > He’s certainly part of the GOP’s propaganda arm, but even then I believe it is wrong and pointless to vandalism his home. That is breaking a law, and breaking laws in support of legal protest is always a bad idea. At the same time, the vandalism was limited to a bit of spray paint. I’ve seen far, far worse done in the name of high school football rivalries. There is a very limited amount of sympathy I can have for such small violations, and those sympathies evaporate the instant that he opens his ugly mug and spews forth his vile hatred. > [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > Carlson’s a verbal bomb-thrower. I’m perfectly good with people throwing verbal bombs back in proximity. Vandalism no, and I presume pretty early on, you run afoul of disturbing the peace or whatever. That’s for the cops to enforce. I’d rather that the protest groups focused on where they work, rather than where they live, but it’s a free country (for now), and as long as they don’t break any laws (which some did with trespass and minor vandalism) I support their rights to make their displeasure with a hateful cfuckstick like him known. > [@BigT](#): > > Problem is, they fucking said shit online that is bad enough. They didn’t control their rhetoric to make sure it was nonviolent. And, because of that, Tucker’s lies seem real to a lot of people. They fucked up. It’s people online. Policgin what people say online is impossible. You can only control the rhetoric that comes from your own mouth, or from the mouths of those who will follow your lead. You cannot do anything about every person who comes in and has something to say. In an anonymous messaging medium, not only can you not control what those who agree with you have to say, you also cannot control the membership of those who get to speak. Even if you manage to get everyone who follows you to stay on message, there will be those who do not follow you who will not stay on message. Even if you manage to get everyone who believes in your cuase to stay on message, there is no way to prevent trolls from “false flagging” and writing hateful screeds that they do not believe with the express purpose of undercutting your message. No, focussing on the outliers and cherry picking quotes from messageboards to try to paint an entire movement is disingenuous, and the only reason that it is used is because it works. If we looked to do that saem, we could pick any random comment from a fox news story, and extrapolate that as representing the views of their entire demographic. Then they look far, far more violent than any antifa’ers. > [@contradancer](#): > > I’m afraid of people like you. I hope you don’t have any family because they will suffer because of your sick view of the world. That is exactly the types of fears that were expressed about jews by the Nazis. Fortunately, for now, your fears do not have the power of the government behind them, and so you are not able to do anything to achieve your hopes of ensuring that those you don’t approve of are removed from their families. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235.md?page=7)