# Tucker Carlson deserves to be afraid **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235 "2018-11-09T10:47:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/141 "2018-11-12T20:47:37Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > So, the 15 protesters spray painting Tucker Carlson’s driveway while Tucker is at work are the Boston Tea party? Remember when I said this whole thing was fucking childish? Yeah, it’s because if posts like this. In fairness, the Boston Tea Party was pretty childish. At least the guys at Tucker’s house weren’t cosplaying. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/142 "2018-11-12T21:40:31Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > This is an incredibly reductive view of Anarchism. The entire concept of anarchism is voluntary free association and consensus-style democracy ( **not** majoritarian). The idea is that everybody must consent to being ruled over, and when a decision is made, everybody affected must be okay with the solution, even if it’s not their favorite one. That is, things aren’t solved by a simple majority vote – rather, they’re solved by a debate until it’s unanimously agreed that everyone affirms they can live with it. Somewhat similar to how a Jury works in the US. If somebody cannot abide by something, the motion either should be revised, they can leave the group, or any other number of things. Let’s say someone believes that, given their awesome driving skills, they should be allowed to speed. The groups debates it and says “no”. If the individual doesn’t choose to leave the group, and continues to speed. Then what? Let’s say that the group decides to ban all handguns. One guy thinks a handgun may save his life as he makes night deposits, but is unable to convince the group to allow him to carry one. But he carries one anyway. Then what. Let’s say that someone believes that they pay a lot in property and income taxes, so they shouldn’t;t have to pay income tax. The group disagrees, but the person never pays what he owes in income tax. Then what? And what are these, “any number of things”? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/143 "2018-11-12T22:04:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’d never heard of Tucker Carlson a few weeks ago. Can you spell “bubble”? > [@septimus](#): > > Then I watched one Fox episode and concluded that he is one of the most despicable excuses for a human being around. What?!! You had to watch a whole episode? I’d a thought a smart guy like you could have closed his mind after 20, 30 seconds. A minute, tops! > [@septimus](#): > > But I don’t endorse crimes or despicable behavior. Right-wingers like Carlson, Trump, Magellan are the subhumans; not us. So, if not humans, what are we? And what is the point of this designation? If I assign you the same designation, are we all back in the same category again? Also, can you offer a clue as to the relationship between your first and second sentences here? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/144 "2018-11-12T23:07:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’d never heard of Tucker Carlson a few weeks ago. Then I watched one Fox episode and concluded that he is one of the most despicable excuses for a human being around. > > But I don’t endorse crimes or despicable behavior. Right-wingers like Carlson, Trump, Magellan are the subhumans; not us. (Right-wing nutcases outnumber left-wing nuts by such a large margin that this incident is as likely to be a “false flag” as not.) > > It is Trump who has encouraged violence, even suggesting that _killing news reporters has merit._ Republiopathic Congressmen have committed battery … with Trump applauding. Reread for comprehension please: _ **These are the President and top GOP politicians who endorse or commit criminal battery, not random nuts.** _ > > Beating up reporters is fair game. Gloating about fellow strongmen who murder reporters is fine too. Putting innocent children in cages is applauded. But if one (left-wing?) nut harasses a despicable shit-bag like Tucker Carlson, the right-wing jumps out of the woodwork trying to pretend that they are not despicable: > > Both of you really are as stupid as they say, aren’t you? Orangeman bad! ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/145 "2018-11-13T00:25:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But I don’t endorse crimes or despicable behavior. Right-wingers like Carlson, Trump, Magellan are the subhumans; not us. (Right-wing nutcases outnumber left-wing nuts by such a large margin that this incident is as likely to be a “false flag” as not.) STOP THIS. STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. casting other people off as “sub-human” never (and I mean NEVER) leads anywhere good. Casting off groups of people as “sub-human” gets us shit like slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, the Holocaust, The Wall, Islamophobia, extermination of the Rohingya, Nanking, etc. etc. etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/146 "2018-11-13T00:35:58Z")
Okay, how about “barely human”? Meets minimum requirements? ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/147 "2018-11-13T00:43:22Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Okay, how about “barely human”? Meets minimum requirements? 3/5ths Compromise. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/148 "2018-11-13T02:48:57Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Okay, how about “barely human”? Meets minimum requirements? Or [“only”?](https://youtu.be/s1ysoohV_zA?t=193) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/149 "2018-11-13T05:27:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Just to be clear, you agree that beating up and harassing reporters is bad? Even when that reporter is as repugnant as Tucker Carlson, yes? The 3rd sentence in the post you excerpted was “But I don’t endorse crimes or despicable behavior.” That wasn’t clear enough? > [@magellan01](#): > > Can you spell “bubble”? > > What?!! You had to watch a whole episode? I’d a thought a smart guy like you could have closed his mind after 20, 30 seconds. A minute, tops! > > So, if not humans, what are we? Point by point: (1) If I didn’t know Tucker Carlson, I’m living in a “bubble”? Got it, I guess. **What _you_ don’t know that’s more relevant than that pathetic excuse of a human would fill volumes.** (2) It was clear very quickly how despicable Carlson was. I watched for several minutes (though not the whole episode) not because I was having trouble making up my mind, but because I was transfixed in amazement. I’d heard FoxNews was bad, but this was beyond belief. You think you’re smart: **What do _you_ think about Tucker Carlson, please?** (3) I apologize for calling you subhuman. I’m sure you’re in _H. sapiens_; in fact if I had to bet the over/under, I’ll guess your IQ has three digits — most of your ilk is too stupid to post on message boards. The word “subhuman” was hyperbole, intended to express my contempt for your cognition and morality. Right-wingers prefer “pithy colorful language”, no? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/150 "2018-11-13T05:43:04Z")
Update. Matt Yglesias tweets something less than sympathetic about Carlson’s plight. He is promptly doxxed on twitter. The comment is flagged. Twitter says that this is not a violation of their policies (though it is) and leaves the comment up. [Slate writes an article](https://slate.com/technology/2018/11/vox-matt-yglesias-doxxed-twitter-address-tucker-carlson.html). Yglesias deletes his tweet and takes a break from twitter. Twitter finally figures out their policies and deletes the tweet with Yglesias’ address. The self proclaimed incel who doxxed Yglesias is still around. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/151 "2018-11-13T06:08:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The 3rd sentence in the post you excerpted was “But I don’t endorse crimes or despicable behavior.” That wasn’t clear enough?.. To be honest, no. It was all over the place and kind of unhinged and at one point you called some other people subhuman. In general, once you’ve played that card, I think it’s a good time to step back from the table and sit out a few hands. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/152 "2018-11-13T21:29:19Z")
BTW, madmonk, you appear to have misread the 4th paragraph of sep’s post (#139). He was characterizing the behavior and claims of the Trump, made in front of rallies. > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Update. Matt Yglesias tweets something less than sympathetic about Carlson’s plight. He is promptly doxxed on twitter. The comment is flagged. Twitter says that this is not a violation of their policies (though it is) and leaves the comment up. [Slate writes an article](https://slate.com/technology/2018/11/vox-matt-yglesias-doxxed-twitter-address-tucker-carlson.html). Yglesias deletes his tweet and takes a break from twitter. Twitter finally figures out their policies and deletes the tweet with Yglesias’ address. > > The self proclaimed incel who doxxed Yglesias is still around. Commentary on twitter by Brian Beutler of Crooked Media: 6. So Carlson, a career propagandist, is given benefit of the doubt and faces no consequences for duping everyone (including liberals) about the protest. 7. His allies, also career propagandists, face no consequences for smearing Matt. 1. Matt is driven off Twitter indefinitely for having what turns out to be a faithful and clear-eyed view of the situation. [Thread by @brianbeutler: "Thread. As near as I can tell, what happened is this: 1. The political community took Tucker Carlson's claim that protesters terrorized his […]"](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1061731923356192778.html) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/153 "2018-11-13T22:19:16Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > STOP THIS. > > STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. > > casting other people off as “sub-human” never (and I mean NEVER) leads anywhere good. Casting off groups of people as “sub-human” gets us shit like slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, the Holocaust, The Wall, Islamophobia, extermination of the Rohingya, Nanking, etc. etc. etc. etc. I agree. They are fully human, it’s just that they are racist horrible humans that I hold in contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/154 "2018-11-14T01:19:53Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I agree. They are fully human, it’s just that they are racist horrible humans that I hold in contempt. Ok, so we’ve moved from eliminationist rhetoric to virtue signaling. We have our work cut out for us. We need to fight voter suppression in the courts, boost turnout and maybe flip a few business conservatives to the [neoliberal cause](https://twitter.com/ne0liberal). None of that will happen in this thread so we’re all good. I’m just making some distinctions. I vent too. But it’s best to distinguish between that and the sweat and muscle needed to push this country away from racially charged authoritarianism. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/155 "2018-11-14T01:39:35Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > STOP THIS. > > STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. > > casting other people off as “sub-human” never (and I mean NEVER) leads anywhere good. Casting off groups of people as “sub-human” gets us shit like slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, the Holocaust, The Wall, Islamophobia, extermination of the Rohingya, Nanking, etc. etc. etc. etc. The way I read septimus’s rant is under the assumption that they are the ones who see others as sub-human, including those who vote democrat. Much of what the rhetoric on the right has been about dehumanizing liberals and democrats. I do not see septimus’s comment as an accusation, but rather, as a response. Maybe not the best response, but an appropriate one, given the forum and the thread. He says, They are the subhumans; **not us**. You are correct that the language is problematic and leads to bad places. But you are incorrect to be blaming septimius for the fact that it exists. As a response to being made to feel dehumanized, I do not agree it is the most productive, but as venting in response to being degraded and insulted yourself, absolutely understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/156 "2018-11-14T01:58:30Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Color me unimpressed. If They had gone down to Georgia and carried out real action against those responsible for voter suppression of black Americans, I would say that it was worth unlawful acts, but taking a Lyft from the dorms to take on Tucker Carlson’s wife accomplishes nothing. No you wouldn’t you fucking jackass. You’d whine and complain, because it’s all you fucking do. Every ddamned post from you is you bitching or whining or denigrating someone about something you _think_ they did. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/157 "2018-11-14T03:09:19Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The way I read septimus’s rant is under the assumption that they are the ones who see others as sub-human, including those who vote democrat. > > Much of what the rhetoric on the right has been about dehumanizing liberals and democrats. > > I do not see septimus’s comment as an accusation, but rather, as a response. Maybe not the best response, but an appropriate one, given the forum and the thread. > > He says, They are the subhumans; **not us**. > > You are correct that the language is problematic and leads to bad places. But you are incorrect to be blaming septimius for the fact that it exists. > > As a response to being made to feel dehumanized, I do not agree it is the most productive, but as venting in response to being degraded and insulted yourself, absolutely understandable. This is the biggest, rankest crock of shit I’ve seen on these boards in quite a while. And that’s saying something. If you don’t actually agree with the septimus’s vileness, you’re every bit as delusional. Unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/158 "2018-11-14T03:32:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The way I read septimus’s rant is under the assumption that they are the ones who see others as sub-human, including those who vote democrat. > > Much of what the rhetoric on the right has been about dehumanizing liberals and democrats. > > I do not see septimus’s comment as an accusation, but rather, as a response. Maybe not the best response, but an appropriate one, given the forum and the thread. > > He says, They are the subhumans; **not us**. > > You are correct that the language is problematic and leads to bad places. But you are incorrect to be blaming septimius for the fact that it exists. > > As a response to being made to feel dehumanized, I do not agree it is the most productive, but as venting in response to being degraded and insulted yourself, absolutely understandable. Thanks for defending me. I don’t think I’ve used invective like this ever, at any time in nearly seven decades, except very recently in response to how rabid America’s right-wing has become. I do not try to hide my anger now. (But I should try to exercise more self-control, and avoid emulating the slurs, lies and whines of the Trumpists.) I want to be hopeful that 50% of Americans are good-spirited and will prevail — though 55% will be needed due to GOP cheating. I’m familiar with Evil. Trump, Carlson, many of the top Republicans — these are evil men. OTOH, posters at SDMB who embrace Trumpism confuse me. Most are probably more confused than evil. How can we pound sense into their heads? I think there may be a sentiment that “Trumpism can’t be as evil as you think — 37% of Americans embrace it.” But … _ **In the 1932 German elections, Hitler’s party got 37% of the vote.** _ ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/159 "2018-11-14T04:53:48Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > BTW, madmonk, you appear to have misread the 4th paragraph of sep’s post (#139). He was characterizing the behavior and claims of the Trump, made in front of rallies. > Commentary on twitter by Brian Beutler of Crooked Media: 6. So Carlson, a career propagandist, is given benefit of the doubt and faces no consequences for duping everyone (including liberals) about the protest. > 7. His allies, also career propagandists, face no consequences for smearing Matt. > > 1. Matt is driven off Twitter indefinitely for having what turns out to be a faithful and clear-eyed view of the situation. > [Thread by @brianbeutler: "Thread. As near as I can tell, what happened is this: 1. The political community took Tucker Carlson's claim that protesters terrorized his […]"](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1061731923356192778.html) No, I got that, I just want to make sure that we stay in the right side of history. The difference between us and then is that we’re better. We condemn our politicians when they sexually harass women and we condemn our nutters, but they elect them to office. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235/160 "2018-11-14T14:24:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This is the biggest, rankest crock of shit I’ve seen on these boards in quite a while. And that’s saying something. Fuck off. You constantly demonize and dehumanize all of a democratic persuasion. You treat your political opponents as enemies to be defeated at all costs, not as fellow citizens with whom you can compromise and work together to achieve shared goals. To then whine about one poster on one board saying, in effect “No, U.” just demonstrates the complete bankruptcy of not only your morality, but your basic logical capacity. You are the crock of shit, and that you see others as the same is only because you are unable to see beyond your own fetid worldview. > [@](#): > > If you don’t actually agree with the septimus’s vileness, you’re every bit as delusional. Unbelievable. That actually doesn’t even make any sense. If I don’t agree with septimus that it is you, and not us that are subhuman, then I am delusional? Hmmm, food for thought. I wouldn’t have said it myself, but since you are insisting that it is the case… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-deserves-to-be-afraid/824235.md?page=9)