# Tucker Carlson loves France \_because\_ they bombed Greenpeace? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2005, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672 "2005-08-12T01:20:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2005, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/101 "2005-08-14T23:12:40Z")
_Posted by Greathouse_: > [@](#): > > This may all be because I have absolutely no care whatsoever in the environment and therefore think that these guys were doing something pretty stupid. Your values may/will differ from mine…on this issue at least. I just don’t think the environment and the death of a couple of guys who had placed the environment ahead of their own well being to be that big of a deal. Okay, I can understand not agreeing with Greenpeace or any other specific group… but, Dude, you **do** understand that “the environment” is where you **live** , right? Unless you’re in a space colony, which would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/102 "2005-08-14T23:19:17Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Okay, I can understand not agreeing with Greenpeace or any other specific group… but, Dude, you **do** understand that “the environment” is where you **live** , right? Unless you’re in a space colony, which would be awesome. You know, in space, _no one can hear you scream_ when your vessel is destroyed by a mine. I’m just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2005, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/103 "2005-08-14T23:22:28Z")
Hey, **Calm Kiwi**? Excellent post, mate. Echoing the “Well Done”! ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/104 "2005-08-15T00:16:36Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > And good for you for being able to find a cause to rally behind. Seriously. But just becasue you and others care about this doesn’t mean that I or any others have to. I understand that this is a close and personal issue for you since you are from NZ. I am not from NZ and I am not from France. I find this to be a topic of minimal importance to me. Just as I’m sure that some of the things that I find very important wouldn’t be important to you. And just because I don’t really care about this subject and therefore see no problem in what the French did does not mean I am an idiot or am lacking in morals. It just means that I hold different thing to be important than you and the rest the upset posters do. > > If **Ogre** and the rest of you wish to think badly of me because of this, then I think I’ll be able to find a way to carry on. > > This may all be because I have absolutely no care whatsoever in the environment and therefore think that these guys were doing something pretty stupid. Your values may/will differ from mine…on this issue at least. I just don’t think the environment and the death of a couple of guys who had placed the environment ahead of their own well being to be that big of a deal. …you seem to be proud to wear such ignorance on your sleeve. Feel free to disagree with Greenpeace and their goals. I disagree with them a lot too. Do you think the environment isn’t important? :: shrugs :: I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about it myself. But would it hurt you to, I don’t know, actually read an article about what acutally happend before you comment on it? Your reference to “a couple of tree-huggers” earlier in the thread shows that you don’t even know the basics of the case. It show you didn’t even read the thread. Only one person died-not two. I even posted his name. Oh I forgot, this incident was **“barely noticeable”** too you. And I’m amazed that you characterize our reactions to your post as us “finding a cause to rally behind.” Again, your stunning ignorance, on a website dedicated to fighting ignorance, simply amazes me. And then you say this: > [@](#): > > I honestly hope that you and your countrymen are able to get what you seek and/or come to peace over this issue. How incredibly condecending. I think we did come to peace over the issue, until Mr Carlson decided to come out with his ignorant, pathetic comments. Shall we just hold our tounges over this **“barely noticeable”** moment in history? Should we just let people wallow in their own ignorance? How does your scale work by the way, how does an event move from being “barely noticeable” to significant? Is it because of the country it happened in? The amount of people that died? Tell me, in the last century, how many nations have committed an act of terrorism against one of their allies? You seem to think this issue is about the environment-constantly referencing “tree huggers” and “spiking trees” and “causes to rally behind”. It was not. You even said that Fernando bought this upon himself, which was disgusting. Try to eliminate you obvious biases about environmental issues and look at the facts: The French Government made a decision to sabotage the Rainbow Warrior. There were three options put on the table: 1) contaminating its fuel supply, 2) use a small bomb to disable the boat, or 3) use two bombs to destroy it. President Mitterand’s Chief of Staff and his defence minister, Charles Hernu decided on the third option-how is that not murder? [http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/506420/594093/](http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/506420/594093/) [http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art\_ofn=mar90danielsson](http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=mar90danielsson) [http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3326291a11,00.html](http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3326291a11,00.html) > **[Victories in Mexico for healthy food - Greenpeace International](https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/7254/victories-in-mexico-for-healthy-food/)** > > Let me share some good news! So far 2015 has been a promising year for our campaign for healthy food in Mexico. This doesn't mean that everything related to food and agriculture is now perfect in Mexico… far from it! However, I am now even more... ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/105 "2005-08-15T00:21:50Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > The French government is guilty of acting unilaterally to destroy private property and cause loss of life. The attack was filthy, cowardly, and completely despicable. See, this is why it’s funny. In that oh-the-irony- kind of way. Put it in context of France decrying the US in, well, everything, and you can see the humor. Maybe. Well, no, not you of course, but in a general way. The fact it was a Greenpeace vessel just makes it all almost surreal. BTW, nice tribute **calm kiwi**. There was so much happening in the States at the time we tend to forget historical significance of “smaller” countries. (Please don’t take offense at that, I trust you know what I mean.) i’m going to look into him. Sounds like an interesting man. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/106 "2005-08-15T00:58:14Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Drilling a hole in the ship so it slowly sank in harbour would’ve been more comical and less fatal. No-no-no. Too, too Bugs Bunny. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/107 "2005-08-15T02:17:35Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Yes, yes. I am obviously an uneducated man without a conscience. If I gave any sort of a flying fuck what you thought, then this might actually bother me. Luckily I don’t. > > Don’t you need to go spike some trees somewhere? Sorry, I don’t do that. See, I’m a professional ecologist. I actually know what the fuck I’m talking about. And you’re still ignorant. But enjoy your blasé attitude, m’kay? > [@](#): > > Put it in context of France decrying the US in, well, everything, and you can see the humor. You’re an infant. France does not decry us in “everything.” France remains one of the closest allies we have. The French people have a few philosophical disagreements with us, but in general, their values are identical to ours. Besides which, the fact that France disagrees with us on a few important matters has nothing to do with the fact that they were in the wrong in killing people who were only interested in unarmed, passive resistance. Unless of course you’re opining that France was justified in killing innocent protesters because it’s the sort of thing the US would do, in which case, I’m not sure that’s the sort of point you’d want to take pride in about our lovely nation. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/108 "2005-08-15T02:32:56Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > BTW, nice tribute **calm kiwi**. There was so much happening in the States at the time we tend to forget historical significance of “smaller” countries. (Please don’t take offense at that, I trust you know what I mean.) i’m going to look into him. Sounds like an interesting man. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6473514#post6473514](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6473514#post6473514) More information here-read the Listener article, its very good… ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/109 "2005-08-15T03:24:24Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > How incredibly condecending. It wasn’t intended that way, but if you want to read it that way then go for it. Not going to comment on the rest of your post since we obviously disagree about this issue and aren’t going to see eye to eye at all on it. It’s not a big deal to me. It would appear that it is a big deal to you. You are correct though that I was totally ignorant of this event before I opened this thread. The only reason I posted here to begin with is because I can see some humor in it, which is what many of the posters had guessed was Carlson’s intent behind his comments. Like I said earlier though, I would have prefered that the French didn’t mine the ship and instead had carried on with their test regardless of the Rainbow Warrior being within the blast zone. > [@Ogre](#): > > Sorry, I don’t do that. Don’t apologize. I’m rather glad to hear you don’t do that. > [@Ogre](#): > > See, I’m a professional ecologist. Bully for you. > [@Ogre](#): > > But enjoy your blasé attitude, m’kay? Thank you. I think I will. > [@Baldwin](#): > > Okay, I can understand not agreeing with Greenpeace or any other specific group… but, Dude, you do understand that “the environment” is where you live, right? Unless you’re in a space colony, which would be awesome. On my list of things that matter to me and that I worry about, the environment is at the bottom. By the time I make it down to that part of the list I’m pretty much cared out. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/110 "2005-08-15T04:00:44Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > The only reason I posted here to begin with is because I can see some humor in it, which is what many of the posters had guessed was Carlson’s intent behind his comments. …the comments weren’t meant to be funny, Carlson, like many on this thread, actually believes them. Here is a part of a transcript of his conversation with the Director of Greenpeace: > [@](#): > > TC: Your letter is wrong. It was vandalism, not terrorism…Your point that I support terrorism is wrong. I don’t support terrorism. It was not an act of terrorism, that is an important distinction. Since you are the head of Greenpeace you should do your research. The French government did not intend to kill anyone, therefore it is not terrorism. This is an important distinction. Vandalizing the ship was impressive on France’s part. I don’t support terror. > [@](#): > > JP: So would you call Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi vandals? > > TC: I don’t want to make a generalization. > > JP: Just answer two questions for me: are you proud of what you said and would you say it again? > > TC: I have answered all your questions. Unlike you, I am a busy man and have things to do but I know if I hang up you are going to send out a fundraising letter saying that I hung up on you… > > JP: Just answer my two questions. > > TC: I am not hanging up. I am returning the handset to the cradle [http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/fire-tucker-carlson/passacantando-and-carlson-talk](http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/fire-tucker-carlson/passacantando-and-carlson-talk) So the French were just being vandals. Whatever… ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/111 "2005-08-15T04:51:51Z")
> [@Tucker Carlson](#): > > It was vandalism, not terrorism…Your point that I support terrorism is wrong. […] > > I am not hanging up. I am returning the handset to the cradle. Wow. He’s really got that _down._ I guess he’s been brushing up on his debating skills after being pantsed by Jon Stewart. Seriously, though – I wonder if he honestly believes that France scuttled the _Rainbow Warrior_ for simple kicks, rather than for political reasons. It’s almost a toss-up for me. It’s nearly as hard to imagine that someone could be that disingenuous as it would be to credit them being that stupid. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/112 "2005-08-15T11:38:59Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > And good for you for being able to find a cause to rally behind. Seriously. But just becasue you and others care about this doesn’t mean that I or any others have to. I understand that this is a close and personal issue for you since you are from NZ. I am not from NZ and I am not from France. I find this to be a topic of minimal importance to me. Just as I’m sure that some of the things that I find very important wouldn’t be important to you. And just because I don’t really care about this subject and therefore see no problem in what the French did does not mean I am an idiot or am lacking in morals. It just means that I hold different thing to be important than you and the rest the upset posters do. Yes GOOD FOR ME for finding a cause! HOORAY! My cause is living happily free from foreign terroism. I discovered this cause in the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the 80’s. It seems SOME Americans waited till 9/11 to discover the cause. Shit mate, I am not a member of Greenpeace nor have I ever hugged a tree. I DO care that a country seen as an ally commited an agressive act in my country. You…not being from France or NZ didn’t give a shit. Me…being a human being from a democratic country did. Isn’t there some funny old saying about “when they came for me”? Remind me not to give a shit. Please answer this small questionaire. A) Freedom and Demoracy matters. B) MY Freedom and Democracy matters. C) All you fucking foriegners smell funny so who gives a shit. D) I will wait to see what the general public thinks and get back to you. Oh and by the way anyone who says they don’t give a shit about the enviroment is both an idiot and immoral (and I only recycle because the council makes me). Thank you **Banquet Bear** , **Ice Wolf** and **Duffer** (and Duffer yes he was an awesome man…I actually had a bit of a cry today, the death of any other NZ politician would be frigging lucky to get a raised eyebrow). ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/113 "2005-08-15T12:29:56Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > Shit mate, I am not a member of Greenpeace nor have I ever hugged a tree. I DO care that a country seen as an ally commited an agressive act in my country. Good for you. I’m glad _you_ care. > [@calm kiwi](#): > > Isn’t there some funny old saying about “when they came for me”? Remind me not to give a shit. Dear **calm kiwi** , Please remember not to give a shit when something happens that **Greathouse** finds important. There you go. > [@](#): > > Please answer this small questionaire. > > A) Freedom and Demoracy matters. > > B) MY Freedom and Democracy matters. > > C) All you fucking foriegners smell funny so who gives a shit. > > D) I will wait to see what the general public thinks and get back to you. Ok, first of all, those weren’t questions. Second, that is a mighty fine strawman you’ve built there. Nothing I’ve posted here comes close to any of those points. > [@calm kiwi](#): > > Oh and by the way anyone who says they don’t give a shit about the enviroment is both an idiot and immoral (and I only recycle because the council makes me). Again…If I actually gave two shits about what the fuck you think then this might bother me. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/114 "2005-08-15T13:08:46Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Good for you. I’m glad _you_ care. I am glad that you are glad that I am glad. Gladness is good > [@](#): > > Dear **calm kiwi** , > > Please remember not to give a shit when something happens that **Greathouse** finds important. I shall try. Noting your TX location, it may prove tricky though. Someone from your vicinity seems to be trying his hardest to make the rest of us care. > [@](#): > > Ok, first of all, those weren’t questions. Well spotted! They were not questions. They were stupid statements. Which one did you tick? > [@](#): > > Second, that is a mighty fine strawman you’ve built there. Nothing I’ve posted here comes close to any of those points. Hmmm. You reckon? I believe what you posted was B) MY Freedom and Democracy matters. > [@](#): > > Again…If I actually gave two shits about what the fuck you think then this might bother me. I leave your own words to provide “evidence”. Hey sunshine, I know this is a shock to you but there are other countries in the world, oh and not just those “axis of evil” types. Some of those other countries actually care what happens within their borders. Thank you for your time. Now feel free to go litter, you rebel. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/115 "2005-08-15T13:23:01Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > I am glad that you are glad that I am glad. Gladness is good Indeed > [@calm kiwi](#): > > I shall try. Noting your TX location, it may prove tricky though. Someone from your vicinity seems to be trying his hardest to make the rest of us care. Yeah, yeah. I also think Bush is a fucking prick. Hooray! We’ve found some common ground. > [@calm kiwi](#): > > Well spotted! They were not questions. They were stupid statements. Which one did you tick? I went with the hidden option of **E) None of the above**. > [@calm kiwi](#): > > Hmmm. You reckon? I believe what you posted was B) MY Freedom and Democracy matters. No. I believe I posted things along the lines of “I’m not going to get all worked up over the 20 year old mining of a ship whose crew had declared their intentions to cross the borders of an off limits, military zone”. I even dared to see some humor in that. > [@calm kiwi](#): > > Thank you for your time. Now feel free to go litter, you rebel. Clearly since the environment is last on my “Give a shit list” then I must litter and pour old motor oil down the gutter. When a gutter isn’t available I actively seek out a few birds I can capture to give them an oil bath before pouring the excess into a hole I’ve dug in the middle of the forest. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/116 "2005-08-15T13:35:14Z")
And here I thought you were a rebel! Birds are puny prey. Why not slap an Orca tail fin on the back on the back of ya truck (Hey I may as well stick with the stereo type…you do have a truck doncha 🙂 ) If you want to pick on birdies to prove ya bad rebel self, Kiwis are endangered (the actual Kiwis, not the people or the fruit). They happen to be the only bird with nostrils at the end of their beak…Just asking to be smothered 🙂 I’m hugging a tree as I type. At least NZ has a valid (in living memory) reason to hate the French. Ha I win 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/117 "2005-08-15T13:40:36Z")
_Posted by Greathouse:_ > [@](#): > > This may all be because I have absolutely no care whatsoever in the environment and therefore think that these guys were doing something pretty stupid. Your values may/will differ from mine…on this issue at least. I just don’t think the environment and the death of a couple of guys who had placed the environment ahead of their own well being to be that big of a deal. I’m repeating this because it doesn’t seem to have sunk in: what do you think the word “environment” means? It’s **where you live**. If you honestly don’t care about human life, including your own, I can understand that; just want to check on whether you’re intending to say what you seem to be saying. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/118 "2005-08-15T14:04:09Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > And here I thought you were a rebel! Birds are puny prey. Why not slap an Orca tail fin on the back on the back of ya truck (Hey I may as well stick with the stereo type…you do have a truck doncha 🙂 ) I must sheepishly admit that yes, I do in fact drive a pickup truck. It’s a small one though so it doesn’t really fit in with the TX stereotype…I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/119 "2005-08-15T14:06:33Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > I’m repeating this because it doesn’t seem to have sunk in: what do you think the word “environment” means? It’s **where you live**. If you honestly don’t care about human life, including your own, I can understand that; just want to check on whether you’re intending to say what you seem to be saying. What I’m saying is that I don’t bother myself with worrying about pollution or trees being cut down. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672/120 "2005-08-15T14:18:17Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > I must sheepishly admit that yes, I do in fact drive a pickup truck. It’s a small one though so it doesn’t really fit in with the TX stereotype…I hope. Yes it does! I win again 😃 Are there any trees in Texas? You do realise we kinda need trees? Clean trees are even better. Space exploration we can survive without. Hell we can actually live without democracy. Trees we need. I never felt like hugging a tree until now. I now see a Kowhai who needs some loving…doesn’t some cactus deserve a hug? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tucker-carlson-loves-france-_because_-they-bombed-greenpeace/316672.md?page=7)