# Tuckerfan, you dog hating bastard. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465 "2005-07-27T20:56:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/41 "2005-07-28T03:49:52Z")
> [@Kiros](#): > > I want to see stylized renditions of stupid people moving towards the nearest exit of the gene pool. Please. You can’t tell me it wouldn’t beat ninety percent of the movies that come out. Oh man, absolutely. Between this and another Keanu Reeves flick, I’d take this any day. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/42 "2005-07-28T03:53:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Bull terriers have longer snouts. How the hell could you see her snout through all that mess? 😉 Five bucks says she doesn’t learn from the experience and ends up back at the vet with another faceful. Tenacious dogs seem to be very slow learners. I mentioned elsewhere that my parents’ first dog picked a fight with a bull. Twice. Ever see a black lab/shepard fly? I have… Funny, especially now that I know she’s okay. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/43 "2005-07-28T04:54:10Z")
> [@Kiros](#): > > Wait… out of the two following options: > > A) Itchy and Scratchy are a over-the-top parody of children’s cartoon shorts, intended to amuse via their ridiculous antics and massively unrealistic devastation upon the bodies of the title characters; > > and, > > B) Itchy and Scratchy is a high-intellectual commentary on violence in nature, cartoons, television, and life in general, and intends to amuse through the knowledge of the enlightened viewer than such antics as the title character provides are… not funny, but rather something else altogether, even though everyone laughs at them anyways, > > someone is choosing option B? > > I need someone to clarify that line of reasoning for me, I think. False dichotomy. A & B are both correct. Except I’d rephrase B that it’s a commentary on violence in certain bad cartoons only (not WB and definitely not in t.v., nature or life in general). The excessiveness of the violence is funny, but only because it’s absurd/extreme parody of unfunny cartoons. Not because excessive violence is inherently funny. Just the opposite. Think of how bad and unfunny Tom and Jerry was. Bart and Lisa aren’t supposed to see the parody. You are. You’re supposed to be laughing for different reasons. Here’s [the director of the simpsons on the issue:](http://cagle.slate.msn.com/hogan/interviews/silverman.asp) > [@](#): > > Heintjes: “The Itchy & Scratchy Show” is a show-within-a-show-within-a-show, as a segment of the Krusty the Clown show. Was that perceived as a commentary on cartoony violence? > > Silverman: “Itchy & Scratchy” first appeared when The Simpsons were on The Tracey Ullman Show. People say it’s like an insane Tom and Jerry, but it’s really more of an insane Herman and Katnip. Herman and Katnip is hilarious because it’s just bad. It’s painfully bad. The key to comedy is quick recovery, and “Itchy & Scratchy” has no quick recovery. There’s not the quick recovery that you normally associate with cartoon violence. That’s the big joke behind the segments. It’s an ironic commentary on cartoon mayhem in the sense that it’s taken to a more realistic level. The kids on The Simpsons are laughing at it, and we’re laughing too, but part of what you’re laughing at is the over-the-top excessiveness of the violence. Sometimes people ask if we’ll do a long version of “Itchy & Scratchy,” but it doesn’t really work as a long cartoon. ---
**Author:** ![Ashes\_Ashes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@Ashes\_Ashes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashes_Ashes)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/44 "2005-07-28T06:36:40Z")
I don’t feel sorry for the porcupine, temporarily nekkid or not (well, if losing quills doesn’t hurt that is). At least genetics is working in it’s favor. Some breeds of dogs have been turned into a danger to themselves. Exhibit A-- Quill Face over there. I always thought Itchy & Scratchy were supposed to be a commentary on violence in cartoons. More the boneheadedness of finding violence amusing, and how it’s a cheap trick to avoid actual intelligent, but difficult to consistently produce, humor. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/45 "2005-07-28T08:17:38Z")
That is a creepy fucking picture. Like Clive Barker decided Pinhead needed a pet. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/46 "2005-07-28T08:28:17Z")
> [@Ashes](#): > > I always thought Itchy & Scratchy were supposed to be a commentary on violence in cartoons. More the boneheadedness of finding violence amusing, and how it’s a cheap trick to avoid actual intelligent, but difficult to consistently produce, humor. Much more simply put, thanks. Which leads back to why the poor damn dog isn’t funny. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/47 "2005-07-28T08:38:00Z")
That, of course, is only part of it. It’s also intended to be a funny cartoon in and of itself…which is supposed to make you question why you find it funny…but yet it IS funny, etc. That’s what makes it great humor. It’s all of those things. Just seeing one side of it is missing half the fun. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/48 "2005-07-28T09:32:42Z")
Well in a way it’s funny because it illustrates the stupidity of the dog. But it’s also sad because the poor dog must be in serious pain. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/49 "2005-07-28T09:54:23Z")
I still say that picture is too creepy to be funny. Maybe it’s that you can’t see any real defining features on its face. It looks…unreal. Alien. But hey, Mel Brooks may have put it best: “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/50 "2005-07-28T12:59:56Z")
oh uh… don’t mind me, i’m just here to take down names. btw, nice job **BD** ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/51 "2005-07-28T15:01:10Z")
> [@Kiros](#): > > I want to see stylized renditions of stupid people moving towards the nearest exit of the gene pool. Please. You can’t tell me it wouldn’t beat ninety percent of the movies that come out. Check out Mike and Spike’s animation dvd’s those that include **Lloyd’s Lunchbox** for just this sort of humour. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/52 "2005-07-28T15:09:57Z")
> [@Ashes](#): > > I don’t feel sorry for the porcupine, temporarily nekkid or not (well, if losing quills doesn’t hurt that is). If [this](http://community.citytv.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=17;t=012729) is the source of the story, the dogs owner states in his second post that the porcupine “didn’t walk away”. So, you can go ahead and feel sorry for the porky. There’s also a picture of the dog _before_ the _thriller with the quiller_ battle. You can clearly see the terrier snout in question. ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/53 "2005-07-28T15:53:23Z")
Here’s a picture of a Bull Terrier and an American Pit Bull Terrier, for those of you that like visuals. [Bull Terrier](http://www.akc.org/breeds/bull_terrier/index.cfm) [American Pit Bull Terrier](http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/dog/display_photo.jsp?pic=/americanpitbullterrier/pics/rb_ldoln.jpg) Another interesting difference between the two is that the **American** Pit Bull Terrier is not accepted as a breed by the **American** Kennel Club, although it is by the United Kennel Club. Go figure. (aside: now all Inca the Fearless Porcupine Hunter needs is a _super annoying_ Australian accent and an equally annoying catchphrase, and she could go on Animal Planet right after Steve Irwin, the Absolutely Insane Crocodile Hunter and The Other Guy With An Annoying Accent Who Takes On Crocodiles And Other Dangerous Animals Whose Name I Have Forgotten Because I Am Sick To Death Of The Australian Version Of “Hey Y’all, Watch This” TV.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/54 "2005-07-28T18:38:55Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > But seriously. Fuck the dog, man. It was moronic enough to get a snout full of quills, and keep going back. By all rights, it ought to be dead now. Makes you wonder what kind of monsters would breed an animal to the point that it would keep on attacking and attacking and attacking even when it was so horrifically injured, eh? It’s amazing what a few dozen generations of brother-sister love can do for a dog breed; and it’s amazing how we humans can blame the dog for having a psychosis bred into it. No need to “fuck the dog, man”; that was done a long time before she was born. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/55 "2005-07-28T18:55:23Z")
> [@uglybeech](#): > > Think of how bad and unfunny Tom and Jerry was. :dubious: I’m glad you wrote this sentence. Now I know what your opinion is worth. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/56 "2005-07-28T19:29:04Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > :dubious: I’m glad you wrote this sentence. Now I know what your opinion is worth. No Shit! I missed that comment the first time through the thread. Tom and Jerry were my absolute favorites growing up. And Droopy? Holy shit that was some funny stuff. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/57 "2005-07-28T19:34:03Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > :dubious: I’m glad you wrote this sentence. Now I know what your opinion is worth. TOM AND JERRY SUCKS That’s not an opinion. It’s an observable fact. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/58 "2005-07-28T19:39:01Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > And Droopy? Holy shit that was some funny stuff. What does Droopy have to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/59 "2005-07-28T19:40:21Z")
> [@chatelaine](#): > > This just in: Hot house flowers everywhere cry, “Fuck you, don’t compare us to those pussies.” > \ The Hothouse Flowers have a new album out. What? I thought we were doing non sequiturs now. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465/60 "2005-07-28T19:42:14Z")
Over the Top violence : Sometimes funny. Depends on the person. Anyone who tries to replace that ‘sometimes’ with an absolute like ‘always’ or ‘never’ is a self-important jackass snob. Itchy and Scratchy - funny, in my view. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tuckerfan-you-dog-hating-bastard/314465.md?page=4)