# Tue or false: ST Voyager made it back home to Earth. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 17, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799 "2018-08-17T17:28:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/1 "2018-08-17T17:28:03Z")
Star Trek Voyager, the one we seen in the pilot episode, made it back to Earth. True or false? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/2 "2018-08-17T18:10:45Z")
I don’t know if Voyager, the ship, ever was at earth, it was designed for operations in the ‘badlands’ which is not near earth, I suspect it was not build near earth. The did make it back to Federation space using a Borg warp conduit or something like that IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![CelticKnot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/celticknot/32/3392_2.png) [@CelticKnot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CelticKnot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/3 "2018-08-17T18:20:33Z")
True. Amazon Prime has the entire series, if you need verification. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/4 "2018-08-17T18:22:18Z")
It must have, Starfleet made Janeway and admiral. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/5 "2018-08-17T18:23:27Z")
[The Ship of Theseus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus) After making many repairs and refits and upgrades with alien tech, is it the same ship any more? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/6 "2018-08-17T18:27:19Z")
> [@CelticKnot](#): > > True. Amazon Prime has the entire series, if you need verification. I’ve watched the series a couple of times. The question of whether or not they made it back home is not so cut and dry. One could argue that everyone died except for Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman, who both now live in a parallel universe. ---
**Author:** ![CelticKnot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/celticknot/32/3392_2.png) [@CelticKnot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CelticKnot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/7 "2018-08-17T18:31:37Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I’ve watched the series a couple of times. The question of whether or not they made it back home is not so cut and dry. One could argue that everyone died except for Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman, who both now live in a parallel universe. That’s a fan conspiracy theory, not canon.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/8 "2018-08-17T18:34:25Z")
> [@CelticKnot](#): > > That’s a fan conspiracy theory, not canon.:dubious: They got shot out of a canon? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/9 "2018-08-17T18:52:06Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > [The Ship of Theseus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus) > > After making many repairs and refits and upgrades with alien tech, is it the same ship any more? After all that cell replacement, are they the same _people_ any more? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/10 "2018-08-17T18:54:51Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I’ve watched the series a couple of times. The question of whether or not they made it back home is not so cut and dry. One could argue that everyone died except for Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman, who both now live in a parallel universe. Unless the beginning of that episode was the parallel universe! OooooWeeeeeOooooo! ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/11 "2018-08-17T19:53:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > After all that cell replacement, are they the same _people_ any more? Forget cell replacement. Are you the same person if you’ve been through a transporter? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/12 "2018-08-18T06:19:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > After all that cell replacement, are they the same _people_ any more? > [@friedo](#): > > Forget cell replacement. Are you the same person if you’ve been through a transporter? Are we the same person? What cells remain from myself at 6 months old; 6 years old and now at 68 years? Parts of bones? Neurons (some %)? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2018, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/13 "2018-08-18T06:33:25Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > After making many repairs and refits and upgrades with alien tech, is it the same ship any more? Unless they replace the keel, yes. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/14 "2018-08-18T14:19:24Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Star Trek Voyager, the one we seen in the pilot episode, made it back to Earth. > > True or false? The final episode ends with them near Earth orbit. I guess you could argue they didn’t actually get there on screen, though the existin nce Admiral Katherine Janeway in Nemesis indicates they did get there. There were two situations where Voyager was duplicated, but in one we know what happened to the duplicates, and, in the other, both had equal claims on being the original. No alternate universes were involved. But all of that is moot because Voyager time traveled and made it to Earth back in Season 3. Unless you require them to actually land. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/15 "2018-08-18T22:06:32Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I’ve watched the series a couple of times. The question of whether or not they made it back home is not so cut and dry. One could argue that everyone died except for Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman, who both now live in a parallel universe. Pretty sure the trivial details of that ep make it clear that its the ship seen in in the pilot, along with alternate universe Kim and Naomi. But if we want to do a deep dive in alternate timelines and such, we could talk about how Enterprise ep 1., FC (the movie), TOS era Defiant getting pulled back in time to the Mirror universe, have all utterly mucked up the Prime timeline. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/16 "2018-08-20T00:14:35Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > It must have, Starfleet made Janeway and admiral. And gave her a staff position at Starfleet Command so she’d never be in command of a starship again. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/17 "2018-08-20T00:40:56Z")
**Better Question–** Did Voyager exist at all? Ever? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/18 "2018-08-20T01:00:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > And gave her a staff position at Starfleet Command so she’d never be in command of a starship again. Nope, she’d be in command of numerous starships. She’d have no problem sending the Enterprise and other ships into dangerous situations. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tue-or-false-st-voyager-made-it-back-home-to-earth/819799/19 "2018-08-21T00:40:43Z")
I thought the ship got replaced with a duplicate/parallel universe crossover/something, hence my vote, but there’s no way I’m going to rewatch that show to confirm or find I was wrong.